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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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i are spectre said:
suboxone is the devil!!!!!!! months of wd... im about ready to give up on everything and its only day 2
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How much were you on daily? Take some kratom or lope and pray that you can get your ass to a doc.

Maybe you should've just planned ahead instead of running out of suboxone after being on it for 3 years.


Also while with subs less is more, and the effect is better, some people really need 16mg. Not for any reason other than cravings. If your craving heroin and go out and relapse, I doubt later on you'll say "Well at least I was only at 2mg of suboxone, i'm so much happier I relapsed than taking more sub and weaning down later". I really know some people with bad enough cravings that its justified. If you can deal with the cravings though, as little as you need. But thats kinda the point of sub, so you can get your life back on track by doing it right.

Although this situation above is EXACTLY what I warn them about. Imagine being on 16mg suboxone daily for 3 years. Sure your life may be great, sure you may be infinitely better off than when you were shooting dope, sure theres not anything wrong with it compared to a diabetic taking their meds....unless you run out.
 
Hey "I are spectre" I can relate somewhat to your pain because I'm on day 7 of not taking my Suboxone after being on 12mg per day for 3 months, 8mg for 2 months, 4mg for 2 months, 2mg for 1 month, 1mg for 1 month, .5 mg for 1 month, the slow taper is because I was planning on detoxing on this week because this is my only vacation every year and I wish that I had tapered lower given how easy it was to get to .5mg per day. Don't get me wrong detox from any opiate sucks but of the ones I have been through I would take Suboxone any day of the week. The whole experience has been relatively mild although lengthy compared to trying to kick Heroin, Oxycontin, Fentanyl, Dilaudid, or even liquid Methadone (never officially kicked some of those but felt enough to know it was going to be really rough).

However, I did have Gabapentin, Trazodone, Phenergan and Klonopin and that has helped keep the usual physical symptoms and the RLS at bay which is the worst part for me personally because of the insomnia it creates. I usually take 1 50mg Trazodone and sleep like a baby but now I take two Trazodone with Klonopin and toss and turn all night. I have got 4.5 hours of sleep combined in the past two days and it looks like I'm in for another long night. I'm exercising, eating healthy, and turning off television and phone, reading before bed and counting sheep. Anyone know if there is anything else that I can try? I've heard that this can go on for months before I'm back to sleeping normal. I have had an opiate in my system everyday for close to a decade and I'm just now trying to break free of this "chemical prison".

Good Luck IAS, hang in there.
 
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So I was taking 120 or do oxy every day fr almost a year. I started sub
On 8mg one week, 6 mg 5 days, 4 mg for ten days, now 2mg for a week and will take 1 mg after new years. At new years it will be about a month of use. If I can get off it within another month will I experience bad wd's?
 
Alcoholic33, You haven't been on the Suboxone very long but you were on Oxy for a year so I imagine that you are going to experience withdrawal. Try to get your Suboxone dose down to .25mg per day to minimize withdrawal symptoms. It would also help to have some medical aid, most people recommend Loperamide. Also, it sounds like you are quitting because it is new years? If you make it through the physical withdrawals the real battle will come from what doctors call Post Acute Withdrawal Symptoms (PAWS) which can last months and it's basically meaning you will want opiates to cure any depressing feelings.

Best of Luck!

P.S. I'm not a doctor, just trying to give you a quick response from what I have learned as an opiate addict
 
Thanks man, im not quitting because new years I just want to get off ASAP. The problem is the sub really masks my social anxiety better than any benzo or alcohol has. I also go away to work at a mine for two month periods and I can't get take homes for that long in Canada.

I haven't always took 120mg oxy. I started last march on H but it's bad quality so did oxy 40mg and only recently was I taking more than 80mg ever. I also had a two month break over the summer while at work, but went straight back to pills when I came home

My dr said some
People dont have to ever stop the sub, how bad would it be to take like a quarter mg for years?
 
I need urgent assistance on a matter of tapering down my bupe now that I am without a script. Short story is that I have been on suboxone for 6 months and although the doc wrote me for 20mg/day initially (after detoxing in the hospital) but I only ever took as much as 2mg at once, sublingually. The months leading up to my induction were spent purposefully tapering down my oxy habit and finally with kratom almost to zero. But I cheated myself and went on subs as a moneymaking venture knowing it would be a step or two backwards in my addiction. 6 months later and my daily dose is around 1-1.5mg sublingually. I know this isn't much, but I have to get from here to zero with only 5 and a half 8mg strips.

My new psychiatrist at this "recovery center" isn't going to write subs since he pulled out after learning of how corrupt the suboxone can be once profits take over a physician's head (in his words mind you).I doubt I can find anybody else who will understand my ridiculous combination of scheduled meds and how the combination successfully treats my neuropathy, insomnia, and fake ADD. I do not want to find another sub doc. My will is set on getting off of the shit ASAP. I had my run, and now it's time to move on.

In short, I have plenty of pregabalin, temazepam, and tramadol to get through this with ease. Just 43mg of suboxone to drop from 1-1.5mg sublingual per day to zero in any given amount of time. It would help to add that I am also dependent on the Lyrica, holding off at a minimum of 300mg per day. Any suggestions?



*It's pretty goddamned silly since this doctor (an older gentleman..he's 74) upped me from a 40mg Vyvanse to 2x20mg Adderall IR instantaneously, spouting on about how I am taking an inferior medication and insisting that with my intellect, I deserve something better..too smart for Vyvanse - now that's a new one. During the initial hour and a half session he offered Adderall to me three times, and being a longtime occasional stimulant user I couldn't refuse. But god almighty this was not the amount I envisioned. The daily dose borders my upper limits early on in a binge..but amps I have always been able resist easily as soon as a few days have passed since my last dose. I certainly do not want to be tweaking during the final days of the taper.
 
Alcoholic, yeah people do stay on sub and methadone for a long time and accept it as what they need to be normal. I just don't want to have to pay $140 every month for doctor to write prescription plus I was normal before I got hooked on opiates. But the amount of sub you won't to take daily is fairly cheap (here it's roughly $1 per mg for the strips). If you have social anxiety and feel you need the Suboxone to be normal then that's a decision you have to make but I would research other options before you go and get hooked on this beast. Plus you were able to come off of opiates during a two month period recently so maybe withdrawals will not be that bad. I can't imagine that anyone would ever recommend getting on sub for social anxiety but there is one good thing about Sub and that is how I managed to stay fairly healthy as oppose to people on cocaine or when I was chasing heroin all day rarely spending money on anything healthy for my mind and body. Another thing that I've heard is you might want to get dental insurance if you plan to stay on strips for a period of time because it can be bad for your teeth. Last thing to consider if you decide to explore other options for your social anxiety. I don't know how your doctor works but my sub doctor specializes in only serving patients who need to go on suboxone for opioid dependence and he is given a quota on the number of patients he can fill so there is a chance that the doctor you're talking to might not be looking out for your best interest. Just something to consider....Sorry I kind of rambled on this post, hope it served some purpose or gave you some insight into your dilemma.

Good Luck
 
i are spectre said:
suboxone is the devil!!!!!!! months of wd... im about ready to give up on everything and its only day 2
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What did you taper to?

Another thing that I've heard is you might want to get dental insurance if you plan to stay on strips for a period of time because it can be bad for your teeth.
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People say a lot of stuff though, unless you have a link to a study that indicates Suboxone is bad for the teeth I don't agree whatsoever.
 
Dexed, personally I think that you have plenty of sub on hand to get down to .25mg per day (which is the ideal dose to come off sub) for at least a couple of weeks until you feel comfortable enough to jump off it completely. Especially with the access you have to other meds it should go smoothly for you with the slightest discomfort. I've heard of people only having 3 strips on 8mg per day and rapidly tapering down to .25mg and jumping off, although they admitted that it wasn't easy. I know that tramadol can be addictive so be careful using that to come off the suboxone. I wish I could give you insight into your other medications but I can only tell you what I know. Hopefully someone will chime in and help or I bet there are other threads on this site for the medications that you're talking about.

Best of Luck

P.S. I'm not a doctor obv, just an opiate addict
 
i was on about 0.5mg a day, then i had the most painful ear infection so i was taking high doses (4mg at a time). then it was a quick leap down to 1mg and off. this is winter break, might as well go for it. i think this is day 3 im not even sure i just keep taking hot baths every 4 hours and passing out for a half hour. no matter what dose you taper down to withdrawal is gunna happen. gotta break THROUGH it, no way around it. the worst is just flopping around in bed, i hope i can get to a gym. my parents are coming to pick me up in an hour and take me to there place so i can flop around there for a while. my hands and feet feel like they have no skin. but it's not THAT bad. it's just so DAMN LONG. i would MUCH rather do a quick withdrawal than be like this for 2 or 3 weeks.
 
i are spectre said:
i was on about 0.5mg a day, then i had the most painful ear infection so i was taking high doses (4mg at a time). then it was a quick leap down to 1mg and off. this is winter break, might as well go for it. i think this is day 3 im not even sure i just keep taking hot baths every 4 hours and passing out for a half hour. no matter what dose you taper down to withdrawal is gunna happen. gotta break THROUGH it, no way around it. the worst is just flopping around in bed, i hope i can get to a gym. my parents are coming to pick me up in an hour and take me to there place so i can flop around there for a while. my hands and feet feel like they have no skin. but it's not THAT bad. it's just so DAMN LONG. i would MUCH rather do a quick withdrawal than be like this for 2 or 3 weeks.
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^ did you go to the doctors for your ear infection? I'm assuming so?

I'm sorry to hear about your ear infection by the way. It can be extremely painful.

I would have taken a longer time to re-adjust to a 0.5mg level, before quitting. Buprenorphine builds up in your system so going to 4mg at a time is definitely going to build up in you.

Best of luck!
 
Also IAS, maybe the hot baths help you with the RLS but taking one might keep you awake, each his own I guess. I'm going to try looking at some hypnosis videos on YouTube tonight to see if it helps me sleep, I'll let you know how it goes. Idk, if you can get your hands on Xanax or Klonopine but that has helped me with the RLS. Maybe Nyquil or Tylenol PM can help. I'm on day 9 without sub but the main physical withdrawal symptoms were very minimal after day 4 so hang in there it gets better. I'm just trying to figure out how to sleep at this point...running out of techniques/options.
 
People say a lot of stuff though, unless you have a link to a study that indicates Suboxone is bad for the teeth I don't agree whatsoever.[/QUOTE]


You're right I don't have a link to a study that shows it is bad for your teeth, I am going off of rumors. Suboxone is a pain reliever and when people come off of it who have neglected there teeth are suddenly in pain, then they might tend to blame the Suboxone. By no means am I a scientist but it just seems like common sense to me that letting a medication as powerful as Suboxone soak on your teeth would have some type of impact...but you know what they say about assumptions.


Trying to learn how to use the quote device...I will get it next time.
 
have you ever used Vivitrol and if you have ( was it the 30 day shot ) what did you think
 
Thanks for the help guys, that was plenty of information to add some peace of mind knowing my taper schedule is nothing original and should be a relatively simple task for me now. My other medical supplies should cover any gaps, and assist in the minor aches or whatever happens after I jump down from 0.25mg or so in a few weeks. Might as well throw in a quick update: Today's dose was 1mg, coming from 1.5mg per day up to 5 days prior. It's going to take a few more days to notice anything, if at all. So 5 days of 1mg and then it's time to drop to 0.5mg with the possibility of escalating up to 0.75mg if the day is rough. We'll see how things go first.
 
Fire&Water said:
I had to use 16 mg's one time (after at least 30 hours)...waited 2 hours for the other 8 (half), may have been good w/ 2-4 more instead
I know 3 others that did the same all from diamorphone & oxymorphone (large habits) Two days later 8mg's then lower each time.
Edit: I know I needed more than 8 mg's that one time, it was not all psychological...
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Well, it's possible you have an abnormally high tolerance to buprenorphine. My friend was able to take 3-4mg to get rid of his w/d. I was doing about twice what he was a day and i was still able to get by on around 4mg. Everyone is different so 1 persons experience could be much different from anothers.
 
yeah i think im at day 4. i took five night time flu tabs and passed out for about an hour or two i think... then i took another five and woke up at around 6am; i think i was tripping on dxm and the antihistamines, i know i was and it felt uncomfortable but it was better. peeing in a sparkling toilet.

so far i have at least been getting SOME sleep. the hot baths help more than anything i think. i was thrashing around 7am and breathing heavy and that's when i know its time. i can only last about 15 minutes tops though because it feels like i'm gunna get sick from the heat; plus i feel very dehydrated when i'm in the tub.

i also took 24mg of loperamide twice, once on day 2 and once on day 3, today i want to try and stay off it. or at least use less. the diarrhea burns like hell!

sounds like the majority says day 4 is the worst and i think this is it. its either 4 or 5. but hey it might be later for me but im almost thru the worst. i find it funny that our doctors say the withdrawal doesnt set in for 3 days after the last dose. mine set in the same evening of my last dose.
 
and no i didnt go to the doctor for the ear infection. ive had them before and i just learned to take excedrin (caffeine, aspirin, tylenol) and ibuprofen. also, i took the decongestant afrin (oxymetazoline) and squirted it in my nose when i had my head tilted sideways so it ran down into my eustachian tube. then after about 10-20 minutes i could feel a snot-like blob run down my throat. i had to do that for a few days. ear infections are terrible but i think it was a blessing because i used up all that suboxone so now i can withdraw on winter break and not the first 2-3 weeks of school which would not be good.
 
its end of day 4 or 5 and im feeling better. i probably wont sleep to good or at all but damn im starting to get better. im so glad i did this i hope others can get off the suboxone that shit is just stupid. i remember withdrawing from pod tea and that was hell, much worse than this, but SHORT. i thought it would never end with suboxone.

im broke, have no access to any drugs what so ever, good support system. thank whatever the hell because it looks like im headed towards freedom.

it took two weeks for me to get back to normal with benzos and that was a good 2 years of heavy abuse of a damn onslaught of benzos.
 
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