Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[HdoubleODeezy]

also to make sure it blocks all opiates and to raise your tolerance so even when you're off bupe your tolerance is too high for you to get high anymore (unless you use more of the drug that you are trying to get high on, which would cost a lot more money so it would deter people from buying large amounts just to get high)

 

[pixplzthx]

You are incredibly naive. I can't say anything but that.

He's an addict and he's in pain, I've been in the same boat (with 9/10 pain daily when untreated) for a very long time. He's gotta put on the big boy pants and do what he's gotta do. There are many treatments that work without narcotics, he really needs to just suck it up and deal with it. He became an addict by choice, he's got to deal with the consequences.



Aside from that, today is day two without bupe. Although the pain has increased quite a bit, I'm only feeling no negative effects.

well one negative effect seems to be that your compassion has gone straight out the window. 8(

 

[Gamebreaker3233]

Ive been trying to get off oxy about 200 mg shooting a day for a year and a half (just started shooting about three months ago) along with a pseudo benzo addiction on again off again every few days using for the past 8 months. For the past three weeks I've been taking suboxone about 1 mg per day. Should I expect some withdrawal for taking it so long? If so how long?

 

[Ashley26]

I think my dealer is loosing his constant supply to Oxy's so I may be on Suboxone permanently, not by choice. Kind of sucks, but I've slowly seen this coming. He used to have tons avail , all the time. Then it was only once a week, now it's been once every other. Just a bummer, guess I'm not ready to quit. But glad I have suboxone at least

 

[Suboxone]

well one negative effect seems to be that your compassion has gone straight out the window. 8(

I said what I said because I went through that exact situation for two years before I was diagnosed, then another two years until I found a combination of meds that worked. You're not going coerce doctors into giving you what you want by kicking and screaming in an MRI machine, you have to work with them and be open and honest.

 

[SkagKush]

why hello fellow blue lighters... it is my 5th day on 1 mg...and it couldn't be going better! I feel great, i even notice a difference between 2mg and 1mg.....

on the downside....i am starting to drink heavily everyday again.....

 

[LittlebyLittle]

on the downside....i am starting to drink heavily everyday again.....

no shit man. what else is there to do at night?

 

[*=Regulator=*]

why hello fellow blue lighters... it is my 5th day on 1 mg...and it couldn't be going better! I feel great, i even notice a difference between 2mg and 1mg.....

on the downside....i am starting to drink heavily everyday again.....

I think that's a big trap, dude. Since jumping off, I've just been craving *something* to replace the opiate downer feeling. I've had a few drinks but I've been drinking way less than when I was on the Suboxone. I think that's one benefit of kicking at 1mg instead of going down another couple of dose levels; I've been feeling too shitty to drink much at all plus I need a hangover like a bullet in the head at this point.

As for my progress: I'm now almost 72 hours clean from sub. I still haven't had a lot of the 'classic' WD symptoms. There's a bit of nausea but I haven't been throwing up. Small hits of weed have really helped with the nausea. The worse thing is that the clonodine makes me feel like a fucking zombie. I think I'll drop my clonodine dose from now. I'm also pretty backed-up from the immodium so might drop that as well to stop the stomach pains.

I've also had absolutely no appetite whatsoever. I've literally been eating 1 banana a day for since I stepped off the sub. I can't even contemplate the thought of eating a 'real' meal. At least I'm probably dropping a few kilos.

@James Brown's sister: is there some sort of help line you can call to see what your options are? In Australia we have this service called 'direct line' which is a general help-line for people with substance abuse problems. I understand that at this point substance abuse isn't the issue for your brother but a similar service may at least be able to give you some options. Is there any way you can get him out of that shithole hospital? I can't comprehend how cruel these Drs are being. Can they not see that he is literally wasting away and unable to move? At this point, can you reason with them that if your brother was just looking for drugs, it would be infinitely easier for him to simply go to the streets and buy a shitload of heroin for less than the cost of his hospital bills? To a rational person, there is simply no way to explain this as 'drug seeking behaviour'. If it's really a life and death matter, I think you should get something for him off the streets so he can be stabilised and moved to a different hospital. It sounds like the place he's in is run by a pack of nazis.

Good luck to everyone else!

 

[SkagKush]

I am an alcoholic, so i know all about drinking.....i used to drink very heavily before bupe, and stopped for the most part when i started on BMT.... last few weeks my drinking has started to become heavy again.....not that i overly mind.....but my point is...

i find that its much easier to drink on 1mg of bupe then even 2mg.....

to the above poster.... i know its hard, but stay hydrated and try to eat more than a banana..... you dropped off at 1mg? you will start to get WD symptoms soon.... if i were you i would have dropped off at 0.5mg or less...

 

[DeLee]

I am an alcoholic, so i know all about drinking.....i used to drink very heavily before bupe, and stopped for the most part when i started on BMT.... last few weeks my drinking has started to become heavy again.....not that i overly mind.....but my point is...

i find that its much easier to drink on 1mg of bupe then even 2mg.....

to the above poster.... i know its hard, but stay hydrated and try to eat more than a banana..... you dropped off at 1mg? you will start to get WD symptoms soon.... if i were you i would have dropped off at 0.5mg or less...

Absolutely, I totally agree with you man.
On higher doses of Bupe I get quite nauseus and not a 'feel good' feeling at all.
But if im on bensos at the same time I can drink straight up OR when im on a tiny amount of Bupe.

I believe this is a very common accurance that a lot of Bupe-users feel.
Ive always felt that way and I am/was a very heavy drinker too back in the days.. drank 24/7 for a couple of years toghether and without Heroin in the picture.

But im sober now since beginning of this summer and im only taking my precription meds - 16mg Suboxone, Oxazepam + other heart meds and what not.

 

[*=Regulator=*]

you dropped off at 1mg? you will start to get WD symptoms soon.... if i were you i would have dropped off at 0.5mg or less...

lol - how's your memory? Remember the thread I started about five days ago on the exact same topic that you posted about 10 times in on a daily basis (no offence intended).

I've been off the sub for about 100 hours now (4+ days) so unless I'm mistaken, the WDs should be well and truly in effect by now. I've been treating the symptoms with Diazapam, Zolpiden (Ambien/Stilnox), Lope, Clonodine, phenergan, weed, paracetemol and ibuprofen.

The only thing I feel like is a fucking zombie which makes sense given the above cocktail.

I just went to the doc and my blood presure is very low due to the clonodine so that's the first drug to taper out. Then comes the lope and then the benzos.

BLers: would you expect the WDs to be kicking by now after I jumped off at 1mg sub 4 days ago? What would you expect the 'peak' WD point to be and how long do you think until the acute WDs are pretty much completely over?

 

[JamtasticX]

lol - how's your memory? Remember the thread I started about five days ago on the exact same topic that you posted about 10 times in on a daily basis (no offence intended).

I've been off the sub for about 100 hours now (4+ days) so unless I'm mistaken, the WDs should be well and truly in effect by now. I've been treating the symptoms with Diazapam, Zolpiden (Ambien/Stilnox), Lope, Clonodine, phenergan, weed, paracetemol and ibuprofen.

The only thing I feel like is a fucking zombie which makes sense given the above cocktail.

I just went to the doc and my blood presure is very low due to the clonodine so that's the first drug to taper out. Then comes the lope and then the benzos.

BLers: would you expect the WDs to be kicking by now after I jumped off at 1mg sub 4 days ago? What would you expect the 'peak' WD point to be and how long do you think until the acute WDs are pretty much completely over?

You need to remember that the half life is like 36 hours for sub. So many times the withdrawals don't really kick in untill several days later.

however, I ask, what does it matter. just try to go about your day, treat any symptoms you may have, but it doesn't matter if its peaked or not. although its hard to not think about, if you can stop concentrating on what/how much your withdrawals are, they will pass by expotentially quicker

 

[*=Regulator=*]

So, if the half life is 36 hours, I should be somewhere along this path:
HL0: 100%
HL1: 50% @ 36 hours
HL2: 25% @ 72 hours
HL3: 12.5% @ 108 hours

Anyone know how many half lives it will take before the WDs are completely over?

@ JamtasticX: Completely agree that I need to get my mind off this shit but it's pretty hard when every receptor in my brain is yelling 'feed me you bastard'.

 

[Suboxone]

i didnt realize "Suboxone" that you had gone through this exact situation for 2 years. I apologize. Can you please tell me how you managed to survive for 2 years without being able to sleep or eat at all? Can you tell me how you dealt with the pain that was so intense you feel like it is beyond explanation and makes you want to die constantly? Especially when no doctor will give you pain medications to help you at all? I need your secrets beause my brother will die otherwise. He has allready been sucking it up for a month now so dont worry, he allready has step one covered, but please tell me what the next thing he should do is?

There are lots of ways to relieve pain, depending on the source (I don't mean the cause, I mean the location and muscle or nerve). Some ways include physical therapy, stretching/yoga, acupuncture, pain relievers (not pain killers), herbal remedies, meditation. I could name lots of things, you just need to do the research and work on it. Like I said, I've been there. It just takes patience and determination.

Anyone know how many half lives it will take before the WDs are completely over?

I'm nearing day three after weaning down from 2mg daily to .25mg for three days. I feel almost nothing so far aside from an increase in my normal pain.

 

[SkagKush]

lol - how's your memory? Remember the thread I started about five days ago on the exact same topic that you posted about 10 times in on a daily basis (no offence intended).

I've been off the sub for about 100 hours now (4+ days) so unless I'm mistaken, the WDs should be well and truly in effect by now. I've been treating the symptoms with Diazapam, Zolpiden (Ambien/Stilnox), Lope, Clonodine, phenergan, weed, paracetemol and ibuprofen.

The only thing I feel like is a fucking zombie which makes sense given the above cocktail.

I just went to the doc and my blood presure is very low due to the clonodine so that's the first drug to taper out. Then comes the lope and then the benzos.

BLers: would you expect the WDs to be kicking by now after I jumped off at 1mg sub 4 days ago? What would you expect the 'peak' WD point to be and how long do you think until the acute WDs are pretty much completely over?

thanks....

no i dont remember...

but sorry to tell you your WD will be starting in the next day or so......

sorry for responding earlier....

 

[*=Regulator=*]

No dramas, mate. I'll bump my old thread so you can have a look - it's called something like: "Jumping of at 1mg Suboxone, what should I expect from here?".

Anyway, how confident are you that I'm not in WD yet? My dr. who has managed several Sub detoxs says I'm definitely in withdrawal now (although he could either be wrong or just playing mind games with me). Are you basing
this off personal experience, professional medical opinion or hearsay from other users?

I don't know, maybe my Dr. doesn't know how to do a proper taper. He's a fantastic Dr. - gave me his cell number for the weekend and said 'call if you need ANYTHING'. When I saw him today he said he was a bit shocked by how well I was going and also pretty grateful that I didn't cause him to waste his weekend looking after my dumb-ass. That could be a sign that the WDs aren't that bad for me and the other medications are working. Alternatively, my Doc might know very little about Sub withdrawal and is basing all of his evaluations of my condition on heroin detox (which he has done many, many times).

With all respect SkagKush (it seems like you know your shit), could you be wrong about me being in withdrawals? I was vommitting on day 2 and have had diarrhoea every day, plus have had the shakes, sweats, chills and cravings. Are these not the classic WD symptoms? The symptoms have eased considerably but only when I've taken the relevant medications. I really feel that without weed, Valium, clonodine and lope I'd be glued to the toilet with a bucket under my mouth (sorry for the horribly mental pic that creates)!

Is your point that I'm not WDing at all yet or that I've just yet to go through the worst of it?

 

[Znegative]

well, I plan on quitting my buprenorphine, or at least trying to for a while. My insurance no longer covers them, and I'm constantly switching back and fourth between dope anyway, and I'm honestly tired of being addicted to something that doesn't even get me high. I'm stocking up on benzo's tomorow, gonna begin a two week taper.

 

[SkagKush]

No dramas, mate. I'll bump my old thread so you can have a look - it's called something like: "Jumping of at 1mg Suboxone, what should I expect from here?".

Anyway, how confident are you that I'm not in WD yet? My dr. who has managed several Sub detoxs says I'm definitely in withdrawal now (although he could either be wrong or just playing mind games with me). Are you basing
this off personal experience, professional medical opinion or hearsay from other users?

I don't know, maybe my Dr. doesn't know how to do a proper taper. He's a fantastic Dr. - gave me his cell number for the weekend and said 'call if you need ANYTHING'. When I saw him today he said he was a bit shocked by how well I was going and also pretty grateful that I didn't cause him to waste his weekend looking after my dumb-ass. That could be a sign that the WDs aren't that bad for me and the other medications are working. Alternatively, my Doc might know very little about Sub withdrawal and is basing all of his evaluations of my condition on heroin detox (which he has done many, many times).

With all respect SkagKush (it seems like you know your shit), could you be wrong about me being in withdrawals? I was vommitting on day 2 and have had diarrhoea every day, plus have had the shakes, sweats, chills and cravings. Are these not the classic WD symptoms? The symptoms have eased considerably but only when I've taken the relevant medications. I really feel that without weed, Valium, clonodine and lope I'd be glued to the toilet with a bucket under my mouth (sorry for the horribly mental pic that creates)!

Is your point that I'm not WDing at all yet or that I've just yet to go through the worst of it?

i apologize, i came back from dinner after a few to many, and i did probably take offence....

since you just told me you have already gone thru the post acute WD symptoms, its sounds like your good....fast metabolism maybe? now all you maybe have to worry about is paws.....

only love.... skag

EDIT, this could be a sign that my drinking is already getting out of hand again....i will make sure my abuse does not get in the way of my BL forum duties...i appreciate your comment...and id like to think i know my shit....so as someone people look up to. ill stay away from BL when drunk.

although i am also surprised that your feeling so well already.....most people do not go into WD until about the 4th day....so this is what i was basing my comment on....be glad your not one of us....

good luck with sobriety

 

[*=Regulator=*]

Who know's man, maybe tomorrow's going to be the first 'hard' day. It's all relative to what you've already experienced. No probs about the forgetting my thread thign - I just found it kind of amusing

 

[SkagKush]

^ i remembered after you mentioned it, i just did not no that was you.....