Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[hazydavy84]

From my experience, I don't see why it would be a problem for a doctor to prescribe you bupe. I"ve switched bupe doctors twice since starting last October and had no problem. Just go into the appointment and explain that you have had a problem with full agonists in the past and have been self-medicating your addiction by obtaining bupe from the streets. I imagine that a bupe doctor would have no problem starting a legitimate treatment plan for you. After all, I'd imagine he'd be happy to have your business instead of essentially promoting the illegal diversion and distribution of the drug.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

your mentality seems a bit backwards for someone on suboxone...

It's normal for a lot of people who aren't ready yet. A lot of people are coerced/forced/mandated to start MMT/BMT, and I think that people should make the choice themselves.

Sometimes people choose to get on it and then realize they still crave dope. It's normal.

It's all about people's perceptions.

Sorry for second post--

CH, would you mind helping me with another tapering plan? I know we've done this before but I fucked up and relapsed after I was already through withdrawing.

This time, though, I am running out of bupe. My main hook moved away and my secondary hook is so unreliable for all intents and purposes I am cut off from bupe.

I have about 48 mg of Suboxone/Subutex left and 38 mg of clonazepam (so I do have benzos to help me this time). I currently take 2 mg of Suboxone every other day.

(Also, can I get prescribed buprenorphine if I go to a bupe doctor and tell him I'm addicted to bupe? Haha I know the chances of this are slim to none but I am curious. What would I need to tell him in order to get a prescription if I am not actually currently addicted to full agonists?)

Yeah, let me get some food and I'll come back to you.

 

[RFar98]

Why does suboxone not work at all in helping pain after youre on it for a long time? Is it just tolerance? I have an abscess on the left side of my mouth right now, and I was taking tramadol the last 2 days (seeing dentist tomorrow) which pretty much eliminated the pain just about other than when trying to eat.
Today, im back taking my sub and my mouth is KILLING me and it feels so sore/sensative, as compared to the last 2 days.

 

[SkagKush]

to trigeminal.....

you shoud be able to do a very effective taper with 48mg of bupe left....and the good news it you already only taking it every second day.....

you asked Capt., so i will let him cover this one......


as for me, i took another 1mg this morning...... but i did snort 1mg last night...... hoping to be at 1mg once daily SL soon...

 

[coldbleed]

man i have the same thing with the pain
i shot a 2 1/2 inch staple in my knee and the doctor gave me tramadol and was and still in a great deal of pain and there is nothing they can do for me
yeah i know shooting myself was dumb but it was a accident at work

 

[RFar98]

^^ i wasn't saying that suboxone makes other opiates un-affective in helping pain. ive been on a low dose of sub for a long time now, and taking 600 mg of tramadol eliminated my pain and gave me a tiny tiny buzz.. my point is that SUBOXONE itself is doing NOTHING to help ease the pain. why is this?

 

[PurpleLibra]

It's normal for a lot of people who aren't ready yet. A lot of people are coerced/forced/mandated to start MMT/BMT, and I think that people should make the choice themselves.


It's all about people's perceptions.

You're right! I WAS forced. I live in Broward County, Florida where there are about 500 pill mills that hand out Roxicets like candy. I got a MAJOR a major addiction to 30mg oxycodone because of those places. Go in, get an MRI, get a script, go to their in-house pharmacy, go home with 300+ pills. Nice, huh (insert sarcasm).

Anyway, I thought I was going to go in and get maybe 30 pills or at the most, 60. Before I knew it, I was eating anywhere from 10 to 15 Roxi's a day. One day I went in for my monthly appointment and the fucking clinic was CLOSED! I couldn't get in to another clinic because I needed the records from my previous clinic and those were kinda hard to get seeing as how the aforementioned place keeping said records were simply shut down. Closed indefinitely. I used the money I was going to use to pay for the doctor and bought 30 Roxis off the street. I took them in two days and went to the detox clinic on the third day.

I'm glad I did. I was sick and tired of spending over a thousand dollars a month for those fucking Roxicets and I starting to spiral out of control. I didn't care about shit anymore. I've got a great job, a wonderful husband, and I live in a great house on the water about a mile from the beach. Everything going for me, yet I would wake up in the morning thinking about oxy and going to sleep at night thinking about oxy. It sucked ass.

Anyway, I'm here now... On Suboxone..... and I feel like I have gotten my life back. I'm getting work done more effectively and efficiently, my husband said he feels like he's got the woman he married back and my mother says she feels like she's got her daughter back.

However, I miss getting high. I would smoke pot, but I can't because of the threat of having my urine tested and thrown out of the detox program.

I may not have the right attitude for someone who is on Suboxone, but I'll get there.... I HAVE to. I certainly don't want to go back to that fucking clinic (that has since reopened) and give them one third of my monthly income. And I don't want to be that wasted zombie that didn't give a crap about anything.

I just want to get a little high!

PS. Sorry for the long post. I just felt like I needed to give a little history about why I'm on Suboxone.

Did this work for you? Just if you are taking 8mg of bupe every day, the 1mg may not have held you and you could just send you into withdrawals.

Sorry I didn't read your previous posts.

Okay, so you're saying I SHOULDN'T snort it? Or I should snort more?

Anyone who can answer this feel free to do so since axe battler is not online.

As background, I've been tapering off Suboxone for the last four weeks, coming off a 10-15 Roxicets a day habit (1 Roxicet = 30 mg of oxycodone). I started at 12mgs a day and I'm now down to 8mgs a day. I've been taking the Suboxone for four weeks.

 

[RFar98]

Okay, so you're saying I SHOULDN'T snort it? Or I should snort more?

Anyone who can answer this feel free to do so since axe battler is not online.

As background, I've been tapering off Suboxone for the last four weeks, coming off a 10-15 Roxicets a day habit (1 Roxicet = 30 mg of oxycodone). I started at 12mgs a day and I'm now down to 8mgs a day. I've been taking the Suboxone for four weeks.

Whats your question exactly? Snorting suboxone is a more efficient than sublingual, but if youre trying to get high from it, you probably won't get the effects you are looking for. I would take the smallest dose of suboxone that keeps you feeling comfortable. thats the best way to use it.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Why does suboxone not work at all in helping pain after youre on it for a long time? Is it just tolerance? I have an abscess on the left side of my mouth right now, and I was taking tramadol the last 2 days (seeing dentist tomorrow) which pretty much eliminated the pain just about other than when trying to eat.
Today, im back taking my sub and my mouth is KILLING me and it feels so sore/sensative, as compared to the last 2 days.

Well an abscess is going to be painful, even full agonist opiates can probably only do but so much.

Good luck at the dentist!

^^ i wasn't saying that suboxone makes other opiates un-affective in helping pain. ive been on a low dose of sub for a long time now, and taking 600 mg of tramadol eliminated my pain and gave me a tiny tiny buzz.. my point is that SUBOXONE itself is doing NOTHING to help ease the pain. why is this?

Please don't take that much tramadol - you could have a seizure from taking so much.

You're right! I WAS forced. I live in Broward County, Florida where there are about 500 pill mills that hand out Roxicets like candy. I got a MAJOR a major addiction to 30mg oxycodone because of those places. Go in, get an MRI, get a script, go to their in-house pharmacy, go home with 300+ pills. Nice, huh (insert sarcasm).

Anyway, I thought I was going to go in and get maybe 30 pills or at the most, 60. Before I knew it, I was eating anywhere from 10 to 15 Roxi's a day. One day I went in for my monthly appointment and the fucking clinic was CLOSED! I couldn't get in to another clinic because I needed the records from my previous clinic and those were kinda hard to get seeing as how the aforementioned place keeping said records were simply shut down. Closed indefinitely. I used the money I was going to use to pay for the doctor and bought 30 Roxis off the street. I took them in two days and went to the detox clinic on the third day.

I'm glad I did. I was sick and tired of spending over a thousand dollars a month for those fucking Roxicets and I starting to spiral out of control. I didn't care about shit anymore. I've got a great job, a wonderful husband, and I live in a great house on the water about a mile from the beach. Everything going for me, yet I would wake up in the morning thinking about oxy and going to sleep at night thinking about oxy. It sucked ass.

Anyway, I'm here now... On Suboxone..... and I feel like I have gotten my life back. I'm getting work done more effectively and efficiently, my husband said he feels like he's got the woman he married back and my mother says she feels like she's got her daughter back.

However, I miss getting high. I would smoke pot, but I can't because of the threat of having my urine tested and thrown out of the detox program.

I may not have the right attitude for someone who is on Suboxone, but I'll get there.... I HAVE to. I certainly don't want to go back to that fucking clinic (that has since reopened) and give them one third of my monthly income. And I don't want to be that wasted zombie that didn't give a crap about anything.

I just want to get a little high!

PS. Sorry for the long post. I just felt like I needed to give a little history about why I'm on Suboxone.

Aw, I'm really sorry to hear this Purple Libra!

My suggestion to you is to find a Suboxone doctor who doesn't drug test you. I think smoking weed is a completely acceptable thing to do when you're trying to quit using oxycodone/heroin/etc.

My Suboxone doctor never drug tested me at all.

I'm glad to hear your story though, welcome to Bluelight and I hope that everything works out well for you!

 

[PurpleLibra]

Meh.... Someone had mentioned getting a little high from Suboxone and I was wanting to get a little high myself.... Or just a little "pick me up". I just get super tired when I take the Subs. I tried snorting 2mgs and I feel okay, but not high. It was time for my dose, anyway....

The super awesome part of my tapering plan that my detox doc put me on is working. I mean, I've been able to taper 4mgs in just four weeks. I started at 16 mgs. I've had no problems with any cravings or withdrawals. Just fucking TIRED! Anyway, the doc said I don't have to come back and see her again until a week from Saturday. I wonder if I did a little coke this weekend if it would show up in a urinalysis on Saturday? She's not given me a urinalysis since I've started, but she could at anytime. One poor guy I see in there each week is given a piss test EVERY TIME he goes in! One girl I see each week (we all see the doc at the same time each week) said she's been tested twice in six weeks. Next week will be the 5th week I've been going and I've not been tested yet. I don't know if it's because I'm a professional (career wise, not drug wise... although I'm a professional pill popper, too! LOL) and she doesn't see me as someone sitting around snorting coke. Or, she knows I work for the State (I work for a politician - don't shoot me! I'm not even in the same party he's in!) and that perhaps I'm subject to urinalysis and wouldn't jeopardize my career?

Meh.... Maybe snorting those fuckers DID give me a little "pick me up"... I'm chatty as all hell!

Hee!

hi everyone, spectre here. first i got off benzos, now i'm inches away from opioids, too. try this one guys...

obtain some form of nasal spray, dump out the contents, and add solution of dissolved suboxone tab. it works great, and you can get some accurate dosages like this:

measure the volume of the solution containing suboxone and saline (or water)
add solution to the spray bottle, re-seal, shake, and spray 20 times
pour the solution out of the spray bottle and measure the volume
find the change in volume from the sprays and divide it by the number of sprays
now you have mL per spray
calculate mass of bupe divided by volume of solution to find mg or ug/mL
now you can find ug/spray!

i find it much easier to use this method when tapering or even maintenance. you have the convenience of the spray bottles' legitimacy. i taper by the number of sprays. 20 sprays a day, then maybe 18, slowly down to nothing. it's been holding me for a month already, and now i'm at 0.2mg a day from 2mg. hell, one 8mg tab last weeks now! take care guys, i hope this helps someone else out, too.

This is awesome! This forum is very big and even though I've spent a lot of time reading all I can, I missed this.... so I for one am glad it was reposted.

 

[SkagKush]

Wow CH.....my bupe doc drugs tests me alot....so far i have left a UA once a week.....

but im allowed to smoke pot, he wants me to think about stopping....but i have my medicinal marijuana card, that a different doctor signed off for me to get.....

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Meh.... Someone had mentioned getting a little high from Suboxone and I was wanting to get a little high myself.... Or just a little "pick me up". I just get super tired when I take the Subs. I tried snorting 2mgs and I feel okay, but not high. It was time for my dose, anyway....

The super awesome part of my tapering plan that my detox doc put me on is working. I mean, I've been able to taper 4mgs in just four weeks. I started at 16 mgs. I've had no problems with any cravings or withdrawals. Just fucking TIRED! Anyway, the doc said I don't have to come back and see her again until a week from Saturday. I wonder if I did a little coke this weekend if it would show up in a urinalysis on Saturday? She's not given me a urinalysis since I've started, but she could at anytime. One poor guy I see in there each week is given a piss test EVERY TIME he goes in! One girl I see each week (we all see the doc at the same time each week) said she's been tested twice in six weeks. Next week will be the 5th week I've been going and I've not been tested yet. I don't know if it's because I'm a professional (career wise, not drug wise... although I'm a professional pill popper, too! LOL) and she doesn't see me as someone sitting around snorting coke. Or, she knows I work for the State (I work for a politician - don't shoot me! I'm not even in the same party he's in!) and that perhaps I'm subject to urinalysis and wouldn't jeopardize my career?

Meh.... Maybe snorting those fuckers DID give me a little "pick me up"... I'm chatty as all hell!

Hee!

Within the first few weeks of going on Suboxone, you'll be tired because you're still coming down and adjusting to life without oxycodone. But yeah, I find Suboxone to be rather stimulating at an ideal dose.

I get really high off of Suboxone but I quit using heroin over 2 years ago.

Also, we don't answer or ask drug testing questions here because it's against the rules. It's also impossible to say what will happen because they are notoriously unreliable.

Wow CH.....my bupe doc drugs tests me alot....so far i have left a UA once a week.....

but im allowed to smoke pot, he wants me to think about stopping....but i have my medicinal marijuana card, that a different doctor signed off for me to get.....

Yeah when I went in, I flat told them I wasn't going to do a drug test and they were OK with that.

The signs of heroin withdrawal are really obvious, a drug test is just unnecessary.

 

[PurpleLibra]

Aw, I'm really sorry to hear this Purple Libra!

My suggestion to you is to find a Suboxone doctor who doesn't drug test you. I think smoking weed is a completely acceptable thing to do when you're trying to quit using oxycodone/heroin/etc.

My Suboxone doctor never drug tested me at all.

I'm glad to hear your story though, welcome to Bluelight and I hope that everything works out well for you!

Yanno.... I should ask WHAT they are testing for! She may be testing to see if anyone is taking opiates and NOT taking the Suboxones, thus selling them... They go for about $-- a piece on the streets here.... Maybe she doesn't test (or care) about weed. Or any other drug for that matter. And she's the CHEAPEST place in town! Some of these places are a total rip off! Most of them charge MORE than what the pill mills charge.

Anyway, sorry about asking the question about drug testing. I read through what I thought were the rules last night and didn't see anything about it. Can you direct me to where the posting rules are? This forum is simply HUGE! I'm so jealous! I have a gaming forum and it's a friggin' cemetery compared to this place! Thanks for the warm welcome! I'm THRILLED I found this place. Every other place I've been to have been anti-this or anti-that. This is the first place I've seen that embraces EVERYTHING!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Yanno.... I should ask WHAT they are testing for! She may be testing to see if anyone is taking opiates and NOT taking the Suboxones, thus selling them... They go for about $-- a piece on the streets here.... Maybe she doesn't test (or care) about weed. Or any other drug for that matter. And she's the CHEAPEST place in town! Some of these places are a total rip off! Most of them charge MORE than what the pill mills charge.

Anyway, sorry about asking the question about drug testing. I read through what I thought were the rules last night and didn't see anything about it. Can you direct me to where the posting rules are? This forum is simply HUGE! I'm so jealous! I have a gaming forum and it's a friggin' cemetery compared to this place! Thanks for the warm welcome! I'm THRILLED I found this place. Every other place I've been to have been anti-this or anti-that. This is the first place I've seen that embraces EVERYTHING!

Sure, they are in my signature. The BLUA is the site-wide rules, and then there are also two links for Other Drugs.

We also don't post prices in Bluelight anymore but I understand that Suboxone can be sold for that much, yeah. That's not uncommon either.

And yes, you do have a right to ask what they are testing for (you can ask what panel they run).

The OD Directory is another link which helps organize important threads, and the last link is the thread you are in now.

 

[SkagKush]

out of curiosity, can drug tests be discussed anywhere here at BL?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

out of curiosity, can drug tests be discussed anywhere here at BL?

No. There used to be a Drug Testing Q&A forum, you can find the archived threads within a sub forum, in the Basic Drug Discussion forum.

 

[SkagKush]

^ ya right on thats what i thought.....

thought it was a worth while question....just imagine how many people will read this, and never post about UA's again....

 

[Suboxone]

CH, I haven't seen you on AIM recently. Would you mind logging on, I'm tapering off and have a few questions I would like to ask.

Why does suboxone not work at all in helping pain after youre on it for a long time? Is it just tolerance? I have an abscess on the left side of my mouth right now, and I was taking tramadol the last 2 days (seeing dentist tomorrow) which pretty much eliminated the pain just about other than when trying to eat.
Today, im back taking my sub and my mouth is KILLING me and it feels so sore/sensative, as compared to the last 2 days.

I'm prescribed 15x 2mg pills per month for pain, it makes a huge difference for me since I've been at such a low dose for a long time.

 

[PurpleLibra]

Thanks for all the info, Captain. I know I've probably driven you half crazy with my questions and posts and rule breaking and morerule breaking and stuff.

Imma sorry. Imma newbie AND a blond, but believe it or not, I catch on pretty quick.

I still cannot find those rules, though.......

 

[Captain.Heroin]

CH, I haven't seen you on AIM recently. Would you mind logging on, I'm tapering off and have a few questions I would like to ask.

Just PM me. I can't get on AIM, its a long explanation but it sucks.

Thanks for all the info, Captain. I know I've probably driven you half crazy with my questions and posts and rule breaking and morerule breaking and stuff.

Imma sorry. Imma newbie AND a blond, but believe it or not, I catch on pretty quick.

I still cannot find those rules, though.......

Did you look into my signature? It's the first 3 links.

I'll copy them here for you. BLUA, OD Forum Standards, OD Guidelines and Policies

see? (look below)