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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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I almost like the fact that buprenorphine is a hit and miss drug for people. For one, a lot of people don't see it as valuable, so it's always going to be around in surplus. Also, it's kind of like a "one man's trash is another man's treasure" sort of thing. It's like an acquired taste. Kind of like how other people would thoroughly dislike half of the psychedelic experiences I have had.

I believe it is an amazing painkiller, it lacks the sedation and histamine action traditional opiates/oids have. For my neck pain, it is great, i'm on 32mg once a day taken at 9-10am, for a couple months now and i'm perpetually well and perpetually covered pain-wise.

When i first started bupe i didn't mind it, but im at the ceiling dose now and i want to be able to push my dose high enough to feel abit stronger opie glow..

All depends what you're looking for out of the opioid. I believe alot of low tolerance people in chronic pain could really benefit from its lack of side effects and long duration of action, i guess the only downfall is nothing can really be taken for breakthrough pain.

I feel you on the aquired taste thing too, i find codeine is like that with alot of people, who dismiss their first few experiences as nothing, then slowly grow to love the wonderful drug, but theres just something lacking with bupe and i cant put my finger on it...
 
Well I have another Q. It seems pretty obvious that I don't have nearly enough to do a comfortable taper, but what about the timing of my decision to come off suboxone in the first place?
I was just recently hospitalized for a severe depression induced incident where I found myself sitting in my car while it was running inside my closed garage.
This incident came about due to the convergence of several stressful factors in my life which I don't feel like getting into. I don't feel like what i did was a legitimate suicide attempt, but it was definitely a cry for help.
I had been on suboxone for about a month prior, but I was receiving very very minuscule amounts of therapy from a psychiatrist, but no drug group sessions or any kind of real talk therapy, and I wasn't going to meetings. My suboxone doctor is very unprofessional.

I was hospitalized after what looked to be a suicide attempt and I was in the Psyche ward for 8 days, and now I am going to a partial hospitalization program that meets 5 times a week for 6 hours a day. This program will last about 2 weeks at which time I am going to be referred to another group therapy and other types of outpatient treatment.
Now these therapy sessions are very very good compared to the therapy I had been getting from my old psychiatrist and I feel like I have a lot more supports in my life that will help me stay sober. I also feel MUCH less depressed than I did just a little over a week ago when this all started. I really do feel like I can take a solid and earnest attempt at sobriety without the aid of suboxone, but my doctors and this Nurse Practitioner that I saw all tell me that it's too soon, and that too much stuff has happened in my life recently for me to be able to honestly stay sober.
I have gone cold turkey off opiates before, and I am willing to do it again.
Given this little bit of background that I told you guys does anyone think it's too soon for me to go off suboxone now, or is tapering down a good idea if I feel really internally committed?
Pros/cons?

The desire to get off suboxone came to me in the middle of a work-out session i was doing yesterday evening, but the seed was planted by a few different people.
Here's a little about my totally ridiculous Suboxone doctor that I am seeing: He has literally thousands of books on every single subject imaginable (usually art and travel books, and some coffee table books and political books) scattered around his office and piled up in huge stacks as soon as you walk in the door. He has no secretary, which makes setting up appointments and getting him payments nearly a crapshoot, he forgets to sign his name to checks and then charges late fees when they don't go through, he doesn't go through insurance so the copays are very high, he prescribes just enough so that I am forced to see him twice a month, he doesn't even know all there is to know about the drug itself (he told me that the naloxone prevents you from being able to snort or IV the pill, which I later found out was untrue), and he has me on way more than I feel like I need (16mg/day). My opiate habit was less than an 80 of OC a day, and I never had a really steady supply.
I just want to be away from him, and I want to be away from the world of opiate maintenance in general(both legal and illegal). My nurse practitioner who i saw today said to me "well you got yourself on the opiates so you are going to have to withdraw sometime, you might as well just put it off." I thought that was a highly illogical thing to say to me. The shorter time I'm on it, and the less I take, will both have direct impacts on the type of withdrawal I experience. I don't want 6 month long PAWS or anything like that.
i'm getting sick of hearing about this "wonder drug" and I am getting sick of deferring to the "doctor knows best" mentality.

Oh, the other thing is that I am currently on some very good anti-depressants, Wellbutrin, Mirtazipine, and Geodon, so I am prepared to handle some withdrawal right now. I want to stress the fact that I AM NOT feeling depressed at all ever since I got out of the hospital. I feel ready to take on sobriety full force. I want to do it sooner than later.

I completely understand and empathize with your desire to stay away from your Suboxone doctor. I don't feel it should be up to a doctor to determine if you need Suboxone, that's just my opinion.

I am also glad to hear you are still with us.

I too think it would be better if you got more Suboxone, through another doctor who isn't going to bullshit you around.

If you want to forego Suboxone now, I feel like you can do that. It will not be all that pleasant, you may feel kind of crappy for a while, but if you think you are strong enough to do this, it's possible.

I understand and respect that you don't want to get too much into the details of your life here, but I think you owe it to yourself to take some time off and think things over. I think if you take the time and taper slowly, you will feel a lot better.

If you have the will power to do this, then you could go for it. I would strongly recommend removing yourself from the source of stress in your life, and having a support network to help you through this, and to make life easier so you don't have to deal with anything if you aren't ready to.


I believe it is an amazing painkiller, it lacks the sedation and histamine action traditional opiates/oids have. For my neck pain, it is great, i'm on 32mg once a day taken at 9-10am, for a couple months now and i'm perpetually well and perpetually covered pain-wise.

When i first started bupe i didn't mind it, but im at the ceiling dose now and i want to be able to push my dose high enough to feel abit stronger opie glow..

All depends what you're looking for out of the opioid. I believe alot of low tolerance people in chronic pain could really benefit from its lack of side effects and long duration of action, i guess the only downfall is nothing can really be taken for breakthrough pain.

I feel you on the aquired taste thing too, i find codeine is like that with alot of people, who dismiss their first few experiences as nothing, then slowly grow to love the wonderful drug, but theres just something lacking with bupe and i cant put my finger on it...

You know they have Buprenex for pain, have you considered going on Buprenex for pain before? Do you think the sublingual ROA works better since it lasts a long time?

I do agree that buprenorphine has different "effects" at certain dosages. It gets more sedating at a higher dose and tends to be more stimulating at a lower one in my experience.
 
ya 2mg has been going perfect for me captain.....

i am just using a razor and cutting the tabs into quarters.....

i have not tried any other ROA, other than SL tho.....
 
probably because it is only a partial agonist.

It could also be that full agonist opiates, especially methadone, repress your endogenous testosterone production, whereas buprenorphine only has a minimal similar effect, if any (likely to be dose dependent).

I prefer buprenorphine because the constant up and down of heroin/full agonist opiate addiction end up fluctuating your testosterone/hormones quite a bit, which in turn typically makes people unhappy/angry/agitated.

ya 2mg has been going perfect for me captain.....

i am just using a razor and cutting the tabs into quarters.....

i have not tried any other ROA, other than SL tho.....

Cool. I use a pill cutter if I'm going to need to cut up the pills into sections, but for the most part I don't anymore.
 
i was wondering about using a pill cutter.... how well does that work with bupe tabs...

ive asked before, and had not received and answer...
 
i was wondering about using a pill cutter.... how well does that work with bupe tabs...

ive asked before, and had not received and answer...

I get the kind that looks like this...

Apex%20Ultra%20Pill%20Splitter.bmp


And you can cut it into quarters really easy.
 
so is captain heroin on the lowest dose of bupe on BL?

It appears to be that way, yes.

At the moment, I probably go through 156 to 208 micrograms per day, divided over 6 to 8 injections of roughly 26mcg each.

It appears most other people that I have met are using around what I go through in a day per shot, which I think is normal. If you look at dosing guidelines for Buprenex, an adult can IM or IV up to 300mcg per shot (for pain) and repeat this if necessary (if both shots are IM - according to these guidelines).

Going into this I was well aware that I am hypersensitive to most drugs. What's surprising to me is that I theorized (a while ago) how low can you go really while still getting good effects? So I kept reducing my dose gradually. At first I was just splitting my dose in half every now and then and it worked really well, and as you keep getting lower and lower the overall amount you're lowering it becomes less and less so it is still a pretty gradual taper.

I'm undecided whether or not I'm going to reduce my dose. I still have over half of my vial left of this solution (0.266.... mg/mL). I'm probably going to stick to this 26mcg per shot for now, since I am already only using 10 units per shot, which still isn't much even with the 3/10 CC syringes I use.
 
ya eh wow..... congrats btw.....

i am at 2mg SL as you are aware... i am still tryna figure out how i am going to lower my dose.....
 
how is this ridiculous?

either way you look at it, hes on less, so hes that much closer to being maintenance free.
 
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