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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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8mg to 2mg is a big jump, but if you stick with the 2mg dose for a few days to a week, your body will become accustomed to that dose and you will be fine. Most people cut down 1/2mg at a time over the course of months, but I don;t see why you can't maintain easily at 2mg or so a day. Less is more, and majority of the people find they hold just as well on 2mg as they did on 8mg or more.

Personally, I don't have a specific daily dose, I usually dose 1-2mg in the morning, and depending on how my day goes, maybe dose 2-3mg more over the course of the day if needed. I take all my doses up the nose, as if I take them sublingual, I have to use almost double.

Also, I know you said no benzos, but they do help, I suggest maybe finding an OTC herbal blend to ease your anxiety and such, maybe valarian root or soemthing?

*(Someone insert better OTC than valarian root, I can't think of what I want to say).*
 
8 to 2 is kind of a big jump, but it's relatively easy. I went down to 4 and then 2. For Me it takes about 1-2 weeks to really adjust to the dose, though some people here have been able to adjust much quicker.

What's strange is, I'm now at 1 mg a day, but as I said above, i find it MUCH harder to ween down from here. my doses are at .25 each starting yesterday.. I'm thinking I'll get used to this (previously my first dose of the day was .5) and then exchange my afternoon doses of .25 for .125 instead. It's just to hard to skip one dose, seems better to just dose smaller.
 
I'll send you a pm as soon as I get a chance, crimsonjunk. :)

And I'll try to get some of the basics down in this thread if it's not too OT since I've been getting a lot of questions about it. Or start a new thread or something.
 
I want to try to get off oxy using bupe and need some advice on dosing. Lately I have been using 10-12 roxicodone 30's a day, usually 4 at a time IV. So approx 300-360 mg oxycodone a day. How much bupe would I need to stop withdrawals and how long should I wait till I dose? I did 240 mgs today at about 8:30 am, it is now 1:30 pm, I know I need to wait till I am in withdrawal, but how severe? Must I wait till I am really hurting in order to avoid participated WD? And most important, how much bupe should I use? Btw, I have the generic 8mg subutex, about 10 of em, and plan to use them IV.
 
if you're going to IV them, i wouldn't IV more than 2mg at a time.
wait till your in full w/d's and IV 2mg. i bet you will feel much if not all the way better, if for some reason you dont, try another 1 or 2mg. but you shouldn't need more than 4mg if you're IVing. if you were going sublingual i would say start at one 8mg tab and then drop to 6 next time and see if that still holds you and if it does, than try 4mg. <- but that would be for sublingual.. so maybe for your IV if you need to start at 4mg try 3mg the next time and eventually try to work down to 2mg IV as a maintenance dose and taper from there to get clean :D good luck.

*would highly suggest micron filtering.
 
Hey I have a quick question. The last time I used OC was Saturday at 10 am and it was around 25mgs or at most 30mgs.

Sunday night I took 3 7.5/325 hydros around 10 p.m. Yesterday (Tuesday) I was starting to feel pretty shitty so I broke off the smallest amount of a 8mg sub I could. My guess was it was 1mg or less and took that around 5 p.m.

My question is since I took that sub is it going start my Oxy withdrawl all over again? Also I am not taking any more suboxone, will I have any negative side effects just from that 1mg or less dose (aka bupe w/d)?

From what I have read in this thread it is best to use bupe only when necessary and quickly get off it, is this true?

Thanks for the help BL! :)
 
Hey can someone who owns a scale (mg preferably) tell me how much a 8mg Suboxone pill weighs?

My friend has 5 of them but he said they're all broken up so I want to be able to dose correctly. Thanks.

crimsonjunk said:
can i take kratom while i am tapering off subs? if i can could someone suggesta brand or extract i should get a nd a dose please? i dont know shit bout kratom but these sub withdrawls are killing me and a slower taper isnt an option
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I'm also wondering this myself. I plan on starting suboxone in about 3 days. I will as i said before only have 5 pills, so I am going to order some Kratom leaf + some extracts and hopefully I can go from subs to kratom. Though I do think the Sub is gonna block the Kratom it's at least worth a shot.
 
I would taper to as low as yo can with the sub first and then start using the kratom in replacement of the bupe. Bupe is much stronger than kratom, FWIW.
 
When i took kratom a few times it made me worse. It didnt do nothing for me. And this was when i was tapering subutex. I know many people who claim it doesnt make a difference even when weaning to such a low dose of sub. I tried the leaves and extracts and various doses yet still didnt feel any help. But it might for somone esle i dont know.

Can anybody or all of you guess if i would have bad withdrawals and paws considering i was on Subutex for 5 years? i have tapered to 1.5mg from 12mgs and to be honest it was quite painless. What i do is take my dose and excercise straight away, that makes me feel good for the whole day. I also wake up in the evenings instead of the mornings, for some reason i feel good waking up that time and then doing some activity straight after taking my dose. Do you believe thats why i nave had any problems tapering this low?.

Ok so can anybody honestly give me their opinion how it would be for me if i taper from 1.5mg using the 0.4 and 0.2 subs we have in the UK. If i taper by small crumbs and go slow to 0 from here on in would it serve me well? and also what are good meds to use to help you through some of the withdrawals. Rememever am on 1.5mg now and i plan to taper by 0.2mg every week or 2 weeks and then skip days at the end, i might take a valium every time i skip a day or dihydrocodeine. I also got tramadol and all sorts of benzos, not to mention co-codamol. Can anybody recommend a good taper plan from 1.5mg and recommend any meds/opiates which might help me when i jump?..Is it possible i can get away with terrible withdrawals and paws even if i have been on sub for 5 years. And if i continue to excercise like am doing would this serve me well?.

Thank you folks.
 
HdoubleODeezy said:
about 400mg.. more like 399 tho lol
actually it's exactly 399mg.. odd number
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tyvm :)

As for Destiny_days, I guess that being on Sub's for 5 years just totally blocked any of the active feel good chemicals in Kratom. When exactly did you try the Kratom? did you actually try to go from 1.5mg Sub to Kratom, or did you try it when you were on a higher dosage of Sub? I can't imagine it making you feel worse =\

Cause I was thinking if you can get to like .5mg sub then maybe the Kratom would be able to get on to the receptors. Now that I actually think of it, I just read a story on a Kratom messageboard about a lady who went from I think 2mg Sub to plain Bali Kratom leaf. She said she was on the Sub for I think 2 years and while she's kind of trading one addiction for the other, the transition was painless with no Sub w/d's. So I wanna know more about when you tried the Kratom and what types etc.

Anyway I think the taper you have set up now is good. .2 every week as you said and definietely continue the exercise as that is suppose to help tremendously, but most people are usually to sick or lazy to do it, so keep it up. If .2 every week is to much then try .1 every week. Just get it as low as you can and see where your at. Maybe you will be able to get to .1mg, and then just jump off after that week. Use the tramadol a bit with a bit of benzo's for 1 more week. Just use as little as possible of those as well.

Just try your best to deal with any WD you get from lowering the dose and sticking to it.

I mean this is all my opinion and what I would do as i'm no Sub expert and 5 years is a long time, but good luck.
 
From what I've read, kratom's receptor affinity is higher than bupe's, but there's not a lot of info, so I may be wrong. I did feel effects, but I was on a very low dose.

I'd suggest bali/indo for withdrawal - some of the stimulating strains make me feel kinda dope sick, especially maeng da. The best way to take it is to eat the grounds in a (smoothie or parachuted, etc) but it's really gross. :!

There's a lot of info on DF's kratom board, as well.
 
if i dont take subs normally at all, and i just shot one in the morning, how long would i have to wait to shoot heroin? remember i dont take subs normally, just shot one this morning tho
 
dankara said:
it was an 8mg, 13 or 14 hours ago
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You will be able to break through the suboxone, but the effects may still be diminished. If you do try, take a little bit less of your normal heroin dose. I find that even if a take a suboxone for one day, the next time I took oxy, I could get nice feeling on a slightly lower dose.

It's always better to be safe then sorry. You can redose if needed. But do note that even if you aren't 'feeling' your H, it is in your system, and the risk for respiratory depression is very high.
 
I always got full effects from h in 24 hours after just taking subs once. You'll probably feel it now, though, but I'd wait as long as you can hold out. :)
 
Well my oc taper didnt go as well as planned, so im gonna go back to subs for a few days n try again, but i did notice going from just oc, no H in over a week, to subs was way easier than H to subs was, i waited 7 hours after my last oc dose and took .5mg sub, and felt fine, a little extra energy in fact. when i went from h to subs i didnt get out of bed for 3 days. H also worked for me about 8 hours after subs, but i take a very small dose, like .5-1mg at the most normally.

I also ordered some kratom, so i will let you know my experience with kratom and subs, and also kratom in place of subs, also got some kava kava root to aid in this, (side note on kava , i have seen ppl say it doesnt work, well, get the straight root, and stick it between your cheek and gum and leave it there for 10-15 mins, i assure you it works very well)
 
^ I'll be very interested about the kratom.

Also a question.. does anyone know if they still make Tamgesic, and if so, would it be likely for a doctor to prescribe it as a replacement for suboxone? The doses would be perfect for me. What I really want is that buprenex though, but that's not going to happen.
 
hi everyone, well i remember now how it is when i get dope sick, today is the first day i really know something is going on because of how i was yawning and tearing eyes, i have been on suboxone so long it is weird honestly, but i think because of how long i was my body took a while getting rid of so much of it, i mean at one point i even took 32 mgs but mostly been sixteen for so long, then a few weeks on eight, then a week on two to four,
i known that mostly before this was anxiety of quitting.

i have for the moment decided to stick to four mgs, two in morning two at night, i cant really afford the pills but i also cant afford to be sick having a ten mth old who is getting into everything now, even going up still feels not so great, but i am gonna stick with only four mgs for now,
i have also been staying away from the benzos which is hard, i know i would feel way better but my problem is tolerance way to fast, also kicking benzo's makes heroin withdrawal look like a walk on the beach

fm1983 thankyou i know alot of the herbal and otc remedies i know cuz i tried them all (not joking) when going of xanax, but thankyou i was thinking of going to a herbalist

Znegative it is strange to me being on such a low dose but i think i will feel much better, i think an addict (like me) has to loose some of there habits,
when i first got on sub doc gave me one pill in office and i felt awesome, but my addict mind said to him i think i need a little more so started the increase, and i never really got high of it after the first few days, randomly i will get a buzz which is why sub feels so weird to me,
but like i said it is a habit or a ritual and i need to retrain myself and it isnt easy at all.

one more thing i need to just get it of my chest and tell someone , i have a script for adderall and honestly dont usually abuse this, my dad actually keeps them and my sub because one of my daughters friends stole my whole bottle of adderall one time,

i seen two old addict friends while getting my script filled and they were both sick , i normally never ever ever give away or sell drugs, not because im stingy, i was investigated in the death of my best friend for her methadone overdose and death, they found i was not involved but alot of people dont know or believe the truth, and i know that police still think of me as an addict allthough i am clean of heroin a long time and street drugs,and for some reason, it doesnt seem as taboo to snitch anymore , im shocked how people snitch these days anywhooooo i will get to the point

they were sick, i let them both have half of a pill , they had to use it at my house, and everyone know's some drug addicts will bleed you dry if they could, and this one guy kept coming back bugging me every day, not coming out and saying it , just trying to make me feel sorry for him and they know i am a sucker,
he ended up giving me two brand new rigs i shot my adderall that day, i justified it was my medicine anyway,
well the next day i find out i am kicked of the suboxone and counseling place i go to, the ONLY one in my area that takes my insurance, before this i was paying like one forty every two weeks
i always always believe i get reprocusions for my actions and i feel that this is it
i feel so freaking guilty that i shot havent used a rig for so long and was scared i would go back to it, thankgod i didnt get a good rush and i had a hard time hitting i had to go in my hand or i think i would be of to the races in no time

anyway i am sorry this is a book, and sorry i am not great at punctuation and spelling on the computer i guess i just needed to vent
thanks everyone for helping me bluelight always is a big help to me
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