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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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Has anyone here successfully tapered off suboxone to live a life of total abstinence? I'm interested to hear your stories. What other treatments did you use as well? (counselling / 12 steps / naltrexone?)
 
Lol about the fat kid.. thanks for the info.. it's funny because I'm not fat, actually pretty slim. It's just like the veins are deep or my skin isn't very translucent or something, I dunno.

I was always jealous of those people with big fat freaky veins protruding everywhere... stupid thing to be jealous of. ;)
 
your going to have to wait longer than 24-36 hours becaue you've been on it for a long time, I'd say just stop taking it and once you start feeling withdrawals from the bupe which might take several days and try an go until the withdrawals are pretty bad, not just mild discomfort, bascally the longer you wait, th higher youll get, and if you wait until your in bad withdrawal than the relief ALONE would be pleasurable
 
Has anyone here successfully tapered off suboxone to live a life of total abstinence? I'm interested to hear your stories. What other treatments did you use as well? (counselling / 12 steps / naltrexone?)

I am still on buprenorphine, but I will eventually taper completely off. I'm currently taking 0.3mg at a time.

I don't use any other "treatment".

Edit: Found this as far as an IV guide without micron filter.. seems as good as any I guess:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=444013

Generic dilaudid typically has harmful fillers that you'll need a 0.2 micron filter for.

Stick to snorting it.

I'm not going to preach "don't IV it because you're gonna open pandora's box", I'm going to say don't IV it without a micron filter because it will be detrimental to your health.

I was always jealous of those people with big fat freaky veins protruding everywhere... stupid thing to be jealous of. ;)

Try muscular work outs along with cardiovascular work outs. I have naturally protruding veins, and working out helps this even more so.

IVing 8mgs is safe and the only way to go.

It's not "safe" without a micron filter.
 
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- How long do I need to abstain from Suboxone in order to feel the full effects of the Dilaudid and avoid any negative effects from the naloxone?
As stated many many times previously, wait until you are in W/D. No one can give you a time that would be accurate.
- Given what my tolerance would be at from the bupe, what dose should I initially try of the Dilaudid (either intranasal or IV)? I was thinking 2mg IV or 4mg nasal.
Always start small. 2mg IV should give you a better idea of how to dose. If two doesn't get ya where you want to be, don't worry, dilaudid wears off quick. You'll be able to increase dose slowly.

- Where can I find a harm-reduction guide for IV'ing the dilaudid pills? I understand the associated risks and would like to promise to use a micron filter, but I would like to know what the second-best alternative is also. One (probably stupid) question I had is what kind of water I should use... my tap water is kind of nasty.
The only safer way to do this is with a micron filter. There are a few ways out there, and on this site, that claim to be safer, but putting a pill through a cotton filter, no matter how many times, will still not get out all the particles that are harmful to your heart, lungs, and vascular system. For water, try to get sterile water from the pharmacy. If that's too much, or you can't manage it, use distilled water. Tap water should be a last resort. Remember to keep the water sterile, don't dip the needle back into your fresh water to clean the rig.
 
Yes, when you referred to BMT i figured we were talking about maintenance and not a taper. I'm pretty sure that guy didn't mention a taper either.

Well until you're completely off of the drug, that might explain why you don't feel WD symptoms.

IV 8mg of hydromorphone is a fair bit.

I did 2mg IV after being on 2-3mg subutex for a year and got a rush.

isn't that high??

Yes, 2mg IV is the highest you would want to use. Ideally you wouldn't go above 1mg.

For water, try to get sterile water

For example: http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6923/pict0030b.jpg

Each one is 5CC of sterile water.
 
Subutex - Buprenorphine 8mg

I have been a heroin user, injecting between 5 and 10 bags a day for 5 years now, its time to stop. So i got the subutex, alzams for anxiety, z-dorm sleeping tabs. no just for a final bit of fun i thought of injecting a dose of the subutex, any advice on doing so safely please ;p

laters

“Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of Prozac” – Leezo
 
IV subutex

I have been a heroin user, injecting between 5 and 10 bags a day for 5 years now, its time to stop. So i got the subutex, alzams for anxiety, z-dorm sleeping tabs. no just for a final bit of fun i thought of injecting a dose of the subutex, any advice on doing so safely please ;p

laters

“Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of Prozac” – Leezo

To inject subutex, crush up 2mg, and use half of that (1mg is the most you'll want to IV). Add roughly 50 to 60 units of water (depending on the size of the syringe you have). Let this solution settle for 3 to 4 minutes. Pull the solution back.

Do not heat the solution.
 
Well until you're completely off of the drug, that might explain why you don't feel WD symptoms.
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Well no shit...thanks for that little tidbit.

But the poster didn't mention a taper or even being off or buprenorphine.

All he said was that he was taking it and was feeling w/d symptoms all day every day.

You went on to say that you should ALWAYS experience w/d symptoms on sub, which is false.

Whatever, i prefer not to post in circles.

And to l33zo, if you're going to shoot up subutex.

Use a micron filter, they are not hard to get and you can remove alot of the harmful ingredients that would otherwise go into your body.

Letting it "settle to the bottom" isn't a very thorough procedure.
 
Quick Suboxone question....

Hello everyone,
I wanted some quick responses to this question because my appt. with my Sub doc is in about 2 hours. Today will be the last visit my parents are willing to pay (they have paid out about $10,000 already) and I probably won't have the money to go for at least three months as the visit and medicine runs about $520 monthly. I've got about 20 pills stashed for emergencies, but has anyone been in this situation and had a doc write 30 extra pills so they can do a quick and less painful taper? I'm currently on 8 mg a day but still receive #60 8 mg pills a month. Hopefully, he'll give me at least one refill on my #60 Klonopin 1 mg pills as well. My plan is to ask for #90 8mg Subs and the Klonopin refill.

Even with that, I'd like to have "poor man's suboxone" ala ultram to help me feel motivated and to help with withdrawals. Again, hopefully I can afford to return, but it won't be for a while. Are there any other meds (like clonidine) that docs give out standardly to help me out? This sucks ass. I've been on Subs for 1 year and 2 months. I'm not ready to quit and people who are made to quit generally don't fair so well with sobriety. If only he could prescribe dirt cheap Methadone. Wish me luck and maybe someone will have some kind of advice.
Cheers,
SW
 
There are Suboxone assistance programs ... they are income based.

Google "Suboxone Patient Assistance".
 
You have to talk to him. Some of the sub doctors are really nice and might go through with this but some are complete assholes. It all depends dude just talk to your Doc.
 
Try to get some Clonidine, Vistaril and Baclofen for the daytime during wd's. And some Seroquel or Zyprexa for sleep at night. Your Klonopin should help alot too.

Good luck. :\

edit: The clonidine, vistaril and baclofen would probably let you cut your sub dose in half or even maybe cut it down 3/4 almost painlessly.

Im scripted 16mgs a day and I can get by on 4-6mgs a day with those potentiators.
 
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You could taper down on Suboxone, you know, get down to 6mg then 4mg then 2mg a day. That way, when you're down to 2mg a day, a 60 count N8 prescription would last you 8 months.

Also, I'm merging this with the Suboxone Mega Thread. This would have been fine in the Mega Thread.

In regards to your situation, I am sorry you have to pay out of pocket for suboxone. You can look into the free suboxone program to see if you qualify.
 
Thanks for the responses guys. I don't qualify for the free suboxone because I stupidly signed up for some half-assed part-time employee insurance that covered $17.95 of a $2250 hospital bill. Anyway, he gave me the usual #60 8mg Suboxone and 60 Klonopin and told me to start tapering like Capt. Heroin said. Also, he added Wellbutrin SR to the mix because of its dopaminergenic action and it may ease the transition from Suboxone to full on sobriety. I might be able to go to him every 3 months or so, depending on my finances. Also, he said to call if I needed anything like a refill on my Klonopin in a month or some other withdrawal-related medication. Pretty much what I expected. He said a year was enough and that I probably need to get off of it anyway. Too bad though, because it is the only thing that really really helps with my depression. That's why I got started with the pain pills any damn way. I'm down to 8mg and already fiending like a motherfucker. Wish Methadone could be dispensed by a doc. I'd like that better, but I can't be chained to this town because I frequently leave town. Sigh. Thanks guys.
 
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