phatass
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max 0.5mg of buprenorphine for an opiate naive person IMO.... its possible shes allergic, but if i were her i wouldn't risk doing opies again
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if this question has already been asked in here im sorry but i dont feel like going through 30 pages for the answer i wanted to know if mixing suboxone and lyrica is dangerous and if not is it a good high also i have been told mixing lyrica with vikks and percs makes for a great high is this true thank you in advance for any help you can offer please reply fast if you can
chrisinabox
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not a smart idea man. and i don't mean letting her do the drug in general but having her do so much. the reason you can do so much of the drug is because you have a good amount of opiate experience and your body is used to it. but she prolly hasn't even done anything other than codeine/hydrocodone, and maybe not even that. but she's never done opiates to get high before. buprenorphine is a very potent opioid even though most usually can't get a high from it unless they have a small tolerance. thats b/c of its partial agonism of the mu opioid receptors, but at the same time, it has a very high affinity for the receptors.
so in the future, if she does it again, make sure she does 0.5 or even less, like 0.25 to start out with so she can get a feel for it before doing way too much. i could have told you that amount was a bad idea if you had mentioned it to me first before she did it.
if she is allergic to codeine, then opiates she should avoid would prolly be stuff like morphine and diacetylmorphine. opioids derived from thebaine would most likely be okay.
that is wrong, the naloxone in Suboxone is never absorbed because buprenorphine has a much higher affinity for the opioid receptors and overpowers it everytime. the naloxone is not even active when IVed or insufflated. its not active with any ROA b/c bupe overpowers it.
chrisinabox
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^suboxone doesnt really get you high pretty much ever. for opiate naive individuals it can a little. i can't imagine it would be a good combo but im pretty sure its not dangerous.
chrisinabox
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^u mean mixing lyrica with vicodin or percocet? i'm not sure if lyrica would make it better, but i can guarantee that taking lyrica/vicodin/percocet would be better than lyrica/suboxone. suboxone isn't for getting high and shouldn't be used that way.
Yes I realize the half life of suboxone is about 24 hours, but I am telling you, try the routine. It takes about 3-4 days for it to work, and if I deviate from it, I won't get the buzz anymore. The absolute best way Is just a dose once a day, I was taking a half for about a month when I had to pay street prices for it, and the guys I was buying it from were so pissed off that I was literally nodding at times I was so buzzed. But were they willing to try what I had experimented with on times and routines?
No, they were unable to, and that is understandable also. Addiction is impulsive behavior, and impulsive behavior is usually tied to everything we do in life. It's just the addicts curse I guess, but we can overcome certain impulses and experiment. Of course I sound like a hypocrite saying " you have to overcome addict like impulses " when I am sitting here also snorting suboxone everyday.
But I am not worried about my " ego " on this one, I want to help those who are shooting it, and whatever else, to maybe experience what I am experiencing everyday. My quality of life at this time has never been even close to this high up, I get the buzz I always wanted when I was a pillhead, yet I don't get sick, and it's regulated to one high a day because of how suboxone is designed.
Now as to answer my tolerances, I was able to do 2 and a half OC 80's at once, I pop 10 vicodin 5mg, 6 percocet 5mg. Heroin I usually did half a 25 dollar bag, although my max was 20 vicodin, then 25 in one day...that was interesting. I know I have a lower tolerance to Suboxone than my friend Aaron, but he was never really willing to try my system either. 2 people tried it for about a week, and it actually worked for them, but they could not keep it up.. and went back to Heroin unfortunately.
I would really stress those who have the utmost patience.. to take a half a day.. an hour after you wake up... I have also found the longer you wait after you wake up to dose.. the more powerful the high will be also. At one point, I was waiting 3 hours after I woke up to dose ( very very hard to keep that up ) and I was getting a half bag heroin type high.. very intense, like the first high when you're extremely sick.
So for this system to work on those who have higher tolerances, just try... try to take one half/whole a day, an hour after you wake up.. otherwise as I stated.. the offset timing of doses (as long as the second dose is very small ) will suffice.
You guys have months of my own experimentation on myself at your whim here, you can try it, or you can do what you do. But I know it works for me, everyone is different, but we're all the same too.
Since I am running low on my Subs , ( only 15 left, I moved away from my doc ) I am now going down to 1/3 a day starting tomorrow, which is the minimum for me.I will keep this thread updated on my experiences with that low of a dose. I hate to do it, but this quality of life suboxone gives me is just too precious to give up until I move to an area where I can find another doc. I paid $100 to get into my indiana doc, and $30 per visit... I had it made there, but staying in the area was not a matter of choice.
No, they were unable to, and that is understandable also. Addiction is impulsive behavior, and impulsive behavior is usually tied to everything we do in life. It's just the addicts curse I guess, but we can overcome certain impulses and experiment. Of course I sound like a hypocrite saying " you have to overcome addict like impulses " when I am sitting here also snorting suboxone everyday.
But I am not worried about my " ego " on this one, I want to help those who are shooting it, and whatever else, to maybe experience what I am experiencing everyday. My quality of life at this time has never been even close to this high up, I get the buzz I always wanted when I was a pillhead, yet I don't get sick, and it's regulated to one high a day because of how suboxone is designed.
Now as to answer my tolerances, I was able to do 2 and a half OC 80's at once, I pop 10 vicodin 5mg, 6 percocet 5mg. Heroin I usually did half a 25 dollar bag, although my max was 20 vicodin, then 25 in one day...that was interesting. I know I have a lower tolerance to Suboxone than my friend Aaron, but he was never really willing to try my system either. 2 people tried it for about a week, and it actually worked for them, but they could not keep it up.. and went back to Heroin unfortunately.
I would really stress those who have the utmost patience.. to take a half a day.. an hour after you wake up... I have also found the longer you wait after you wake up to dose.. the more powerful the high will be also. At one point, I was waiting 3 hours after I woke up to dose ( very very hard to keep that up ) and I was getting a half bag heroin type high.. very intense, like the first high when you're extremely sick.
So for this system to work on those who have higher tolerances, just try... try to take one half/whole a day, an hour after you wake up.. otherwise as I stated.. the offset timing of doses (as long as the second dose is very small ) will suffice.
You guys have months of my own experimentation on myself at your whim here, you can try it, or you can do what you do. But I know it works for me, everyone is different, but we're all the same too.
Since I am running low on my Subs , ( only 15 left, I moved away from my doc ) I am now going down to 1/3 a day starting tomorrow, which is the minimum for me.I will keep this thread updated on my experiences with that low of a dose. I hate to do it, but this quality of life suboxone gives me is just too precious to give up until I move to an area where I can find another doc. I paid $100 to get into my indiana doc, and $30 per visit... I had it made there, but staying in the area was not a matter of choice.
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Spaazkaz
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... happened to me too. My friend's girl called me up saying "im desperate, etc" so i figured she was sick and spared her an N8, turns out i didn't know as much about her as i though i did. She threw me a few bucks, and before i had time to yell NOOOOO! it was down the hatch. She claimed the next 2+ days she had the flu and insisted she was experienced with suboxone and that the bupe wasn't the problem 
. Her symptoms, however, fit bupe sickness to a T. I've since explained to her how its supposed to work, but she insists on swallowing them8). Se is very lucky she wasn't a snorter or it could have been another story
Are there any advantages to swallowing them? Does anyone do it to taper down past a milligram? Are there any negative side effects more pronounced? I think of swallowing it as a waste but I could always be wrong. Usually am.
*I should've made sure she knew what she was doing way before it was in her hand. Make sure the people who are using drugs that were previously in your possession know how to use them and what they are doing, otherwise not only is it their life at stake but your ass as well. I read its not easy to come back from a bupe OD and the 8mg pills could kill an opiate naive person (I think)"
*NOT A DOCTOR*
Keep an eye on her but if she is getting better she is probably alright. You most likely would have seen a reaction quickly if she was allergic. It is typical for people to underestimate suboxone and get sick for a couple days. Cant think of anything long term as long as she stays away from opiates forever. They are usually pretty long term.
BE safe
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. Her symptoms, however, fit bupe sickness to a T. I've since explained to her how its supposed to work, but she insists on swallowing them8). Se is very lucky she wasn't a snorter or it could have been another storyAre there any advantages to swallowing them? Does anyone do it to taper down past a milligram? Are there any negative side effects more pronounced? I think of swallowing it as a waste but I could always be wrong. Usually am.
*I should've made sure she knew what she was doing way before it was in her hand. Make sure the people who are using drugs that were previously in your possession know how to use them and what they are doing, otherwise not only is it their life at stake but your ass as well. I read its not easy to come back from a bupe OD and the 8mg pills could kill an opiate naive person (I think)"
*NOT A DOCTOR*
Keep an eye on her but if she is getting better she is probably alright. You most likely would have seen a reaction quickly if she was allergic. It is typical for people to underestimate suboxone and get sick for a couple days. Cant think of anything long term as long as she stays away from opiates forever. They are usually pretty long term.
BE safe
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chrisinabox
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^ there are NO advantages in swallowing buprenorphine. its nearly like throwing the drug away when taking orally. the amount absorbed that way is veryy minimal, not quite sure on the exact bio atm. also, no one should ever take it that way, its not prescribed that way and the only ppl i can think of that would do that are ignorant ppl. and there are no extra negative effects by swallowing suboxone, just less effects in general.
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1.5mg is not a lot of Buprenorphine. My first time using it, before being dependant on opioids, was 8mg insufflated, and it acted similarly to any other opioid.
Some people are prone to nausea from opioids, same with vomiting. Some get it, some don't.
Codeine allergy really has nothing to do with it.
She will be completely fine in a day, though I can't gaurentee she won't be pissed at you.
Some people are prone to nausea from opioids, same with vomiting. Some get it, some don't.
Codeine allergy really has nothing to do with it.
She will be completely fine in a day, though I can't gaurentee she won't be pissed at you.
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bupe is a STRONG opiate, very strong
the reason why "us" addicts dont get high is 1 because our tolerance and 2 cuz its a partial agonist and we used to full
.5 is probably a good amount for someone who never dun opiate
but, period after statement, bupe is too strong for a non tolerant person
the reason why "us" addicts dont get high is 1 because our tolerance and 2 cuz its a partial agonist and we used to full
.5 is probably a good amount for someone who never dun opiate
but, period after statement, bupe is too strong for a non tolerant person
formanchristopher
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ICWFROCK...I'm interested in actually "snorting" to at least try it. MrBlonde, ChrisinaBox,...
do you have any comments on this, for me? Ever tried it? I have been taking my 8mg tab daily
for a year now, sublingual, as directed. And to be honest? The addict in me would very much like to "feel" alittle something, if at all possible, even if that means crushing/chopping up my pill to snort it. Snort the whole amount, all at once? Or like two rails? Or what?
Thanks~
do you have any comments on this, for me? Ever tried it? I have been taking my 8mg tab daily
for a year now, sublingual, as directed. And to be honest? The addict in me would very much like to "feel" alittle something, if at all possible, even if that means crushing/chopping up my pill to snort it. Snort the whole amount, all at once? Or like two rails? Or what?
Thanks~
Mr Blonde
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^ I'd split it into two separate lines, one up each nostril, to increase surface area.
It may help you feel something at first, but then your tolerance will increase and where do you go from there?
Be careful, brother.
It may help you feel something at first, but then your tolerance will increase and where do you go from there?
Be careful, brother.
bobert the man
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What's your bupe doc going to say when you show up one day with a sudden massive increase in tolerance?
johanneschimpo
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icwfrock - Your system really is that, your system. Unfortunately, what works for you won't work for everybody. You take about as much suboxone as I do, I take 2-4mg/day. Its usually not right when I wake up either, since I don't feel sick right away, I just take it whenever I remember. I've been awake for about 2 hours and haven't taken my dose yet. Anyway, when I take it, here's what will happen: nothing. It does what bupe is supposed to do, hold me over. I could skip a day, which I do sometimes, and on my next dose all I'll feel is a tiny bit of relief (since its been 48 hours since I dosed), then: nothing, just bupe holding me over. I don't know anyone who gets high from suboxone, whether they take it once a month or daily, if they had a large habit before. I consider you to be an anomaly, since your experience is unlike most everybody else's that I've heard.
babygetoboy
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Detoxing with #30 8mg Suboxone Tablets
Hi everyone, I searched but didn't find a specific answer, and I really need the help so please help.
I lost my insurance and won't be able to afford Suboxone anymore. I only have one month left, and I get #30 8mg tabs of Suboxone.
Coming off of heroin, what is the best way to use these last 30 suboxones to detox? What dosages would you use and how would you taper down using only these last 30.
Thankyou so much for you help, I really need it.
Hi everyone, I searched but didn't find a specific answer, and I really need the help so please help.
I lost my insurance and won't be able to afford Suboxone anymore. I only have one month left, and I get #30 8mg tabs of Suboxone.
Coming off of heroin, what is the best way to use these last 30 suboxones to detox? What dosages would you use and how would you taper down using only these last 30.
Thankyou so much for you help, I really need it.
TheMatador
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There is a Suboxone Mega-Thread here on BL that would be very helpful for you, just use the search engine and you'll find it pretty easily.
If you could give us some information on your tolerance, DOC, regular doses, etc.etc. it would help us help you a lot more. You might only need 4mg to start out, with Suboxone sometimes less is more, I know it goes against everything us as drug (ab)users know, but it's really true. But just to give you an idea of how your detox will work, lets say you need 8mg to start out with...
8mg/day for a week, and then drop off to 6mg the next week, 4mg the next week, 2mg the next week, 1mg the next week (if needed), then drop off.
If that is too rough for you then you could drop off just 1mg per week, since you only have #30 8mg tabs the first couple weeks you'll have to go from 8mg to 6mg, or jump off earlier, but you have almost enough to go from 8mg/week and drop off 1mg/week, since your a little short you'll have to compensate in one way or another whether its jumping off earlier, or going down in your first couple weeks by 2mg, or 1.5mg throughout instead of 1, whatever works good for you, the key for taper schedules is to customize them to yourself and your body. Since you have a limited supply it might not be the most comfortable expierience, but you have 240mg of Suboxone which imo is more than enough to detox with.
If you could give us some information on your tolerance, DOC, regular doses, etc.etc. it would help us help you a lot more. You might only need 4mg to start out with, with Suboxone sometimes less is more, I know it goes against everything us as drug (ab)users know, but it's really true.
Good luck,
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Captain.Heroin
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Get down to taking 1 or 2 mg at a time, and do this once or twice each day.
As you get to the 1mg dose, you can break them up into smaller and smaller doses.
As you get to the 1mg dose, you can break them up into smaller and smaller doses.
Captain.Heroin
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She's just sensitive to opiates.
And snorting suboxone sounds gross...
I've seen opiate-naive people shoot 2mg at a time...and they didn't puke.
The only time I saw someone puke on suboxone was when someone combined a 7.5/325 with 2mg suboxone snorted.
And as everyone has said here, 0.5mg is a good starting dose for buprenorphine.
And snorting suboxone sounds gross...
I've seen opiate-naive people shoot 2mg at a time...and they didn't puke.
The only time I saw someone puke on suboxone was when someone combined a 7.5/325 with 2mg suboxone snorted.
And as everyone has said here, 0.5mg is a good starting dose for buprenorphine.
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