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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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Can anyone share there experiences, thoughts and feelings about PAWS and if the PAWS u get for suboxone (detox) differ from other opiates - if that makes sense

please

(been getting PAWS really bad some days - 5 year heroin addiction and 1 year suboxone detox - almost to the point of considering flying half way round the world back to my home country and my dealer - very stupid i know)
 
Suboxone blocking my high

I recently bought some Suboxone of some guy because I couldn't find any perc's. I took 3 in about 4 days. And now I can not feel a high off Vicodin or Perc's. I feel alittle different but not a good high at all anymore. I thought it was suposed to only block the high effects of opiates for about 24 hours. It has been about 2-3 weeks now!

Is there a way to clear it from my system or anything at all I can do to get back to my old self! Somebody gotta help me this really sucks!

Suboxone
buprenorphine/naloxone
8 mg-2 mg
 
It's way past this but i thought I would correct something still, if no one reads it. "The elimination half-life of buprenorphine is 20.4-72.9 hours (mean 34.6)." And the chart wasn't there.
Thanks/sorry
 
when to take suboxone

Im wondering if I should even take these 2 suboxone or is it worth it what would be the possible downside to only having 2 8mg and taking only the two and when exactly should they be taken.......
here is the situation im a pretty hardcore intravenious opiate user(everyday numerous times),as of lately its been H but in the past it was mainly pain meds for example oxycontin or oxycodone hydrochloride(i know they are basically the same but i wanna be completely clear on what im doing) its sad to say but due to the economy ive only been able to afford a 20 of tar a day and i need to ease my withdrawls so i can get a job and resume my normal intake of opiates and was given 2 8 mg suboxone(orange octogons) to help by a friend and what i want to know is will it actually help the withdrawls or is it worse in the long run to just take the 2 and if it isnt worse when should i take the first dose.I have a very high tolorence to opiates due to numerous years of use,ive read that normally you should wait 48 hrs but my w/d start at about 18 hours after i use(eyes watering nose running yawning and last but not least body aching and stomach turning) and the 18 hrs is being generous with the timeframe.please help cuz unlike alot of the peoples threads ive read im not gonna do some dumb shit cuz im feinding
 
defy1 said:
Im wondering if I should even take these 2 suboxone or is it worth it what would be the possible downside to only having 2 8mg and taking only the two and when exactly should they be taken.......
here is the situation im a pretty hardcore intravenious opiate user(everyday numerous times),as of lately its been H but in the past it was mainly pain meds for example oxycontin or oxycodone hydrochloride(i know they are basically the same but i wanna be completely clear on what im doing) its sad to say but due to the economy ive only been able to afford a 20 of tar a day and i need to ease my withdrawls so i can get a job and resume my normal intake of opiates and was given 2 8 mg suboxone(orange octogons) to help by a friend and what i want to know is will it actually help the withdrawls or is it worse in the long run to just take the 2 and if it isnt worse when should i take the first dose.I have a very high tolorence to opiates due to numerous years of use,ive read that normally you should wait 48 hrs but my w/d start at about 18 hours after i use(eyes watering nose running yawning and last but not least body aching and stomach turning) and the 18 hrs is being generous with the timeframe.please help cuz unlike alot of the peoples threads ive read im not gonna do some dumb shit cuz im feinding
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I detoxed with suboxone ... it took me 48* 8 mg pills . If i were yo I would break the pills into 4 pieces each . When your ready to kick start in the morning . When u wake up if you feel like shit take the a piece and set it under your tounge . Let it completely disolve (This is how you take suboxone) GIve it about 15 mins . If you dont feel better or atleast as good as you want to feel dose again . A half of a Suboxone will take your withdrawl symptoms away completely . Only Dose with the suboxone when u need to . Each dose should last about 12 hours . I would defenately Break them into 8 and only dose when u need them . Its a dopamine blocker so you wont be able to get high while dosing with these .
 
Would it be OK for me to dissolve like 4-8mg of Suboxone and 10-20mg of Hydroxizine in water and slam?
I know all about the view of harm reduction = shooting pills etc. is not good and i do advocate on that but i guess i don't always live as i teach.

Anyway, what i want to know is if shooting larger amounts of suboxone will activate the naloxone in it? Or will i be fine just like shooting Subutex.
(if you can say 4-8mg Suboxone is a large dose, depends right)

And then will the naloxone have any weird reaction with Hydroxizine?

Thanks.
Edit: Just some quick background, ive been an IV opioid addict for many years (~20+ years) and shot my share of pills and i do not
do that often any more. Almost never but sometimes i do and when i do it i need all the facts straight.
 
Fentanyl_Fiend said:
I detoxed with suboxone ... it took me 48* 8 mg pills . If i were yo I would break the pills into 4 pieces each . When your ready to kick start in the morning . When u wake up if you feel like shit take the a piece and set it under your tounge . Let it completely disolve (This is how you take suboxone) GIve it about 15 mins . If you dont feel better or atleast as good as you want to feel dose again . A half of a Suboxone will take your withdrawl symptoms away completely . Only Dose with the suboxone when u need to . Each dose should last about 12 hours . I would defenately Break them into 8 and only dose when u need them . Its a dopamine blocker so you wont be able to get high while dosing with these .
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suboxone is NOT a dopamine blocker man. its a partial agonist instead of other opioids which are usually full mu agonists, which is why they give more euphoria. also, opiate euphoria has to do with endorphins, not dopamine and serotonin like meth, coke, mdma.



and to "pallimadors", the naloxone in suboxone is NOT what sends people into precipitated withdrawals, its the buprenorphine itself. the bupe has a much higher affinity for the receptors than naloxone does so it overpowers the naloxone everytime, causing the naloxone to be pointless in the pills.
 
I know that bupe has a higher affinity, and buprenorphine's effects arent reversed by naloxone, but I was under the impression that the naloxone didn't make it into the bloodstream when taken as directed, but if slammed, it would...so either one or both of the drugs in suboxone would send one into withdrawals. I just figured it'd be the naloxone doing the job more so than the bupe if the pill were slammed; otherwise, what would be the point of including the suboxone at all? Bupe alone can definitely cause precipitated withdrawals though, I guess I was just looking at the whole thing from a different angle.
 
chrisinabox said:
and to "pallimadors", the naloxone in suboxone is NOT what sends people into precipitated withdrawals, its the buprenorphine itself. the bupe has a much higher affinity for the receptors than naloxone does so it overpowers the naloxone everytime, causing the naloxone to be pointless in the pills.
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Yeah, that i did know but i have a vague recollection that i read somewhere in this forum that if you take a certain amount of suboxone IV
the naloxone would give you trouble but i might be wrong on that?

Anyone who knows about my other question, about any strange reactions between IV Suboxone(with the naloxone) and IV hydroxizine?
 
sixpartseven said:
chrisinabox, buprenorphine really is, at the least, as potent as fentanyl, if not slightly more potent.
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as far as analgesic properties it does but bupe has a ceiling effect most people take what alot of you say as far as it being 30-50x stronger means it will get them way higher which is untrue because a fentanyl overdose doesnt take much but bupe u can take 100mg and still be alive but considered clinically overdosed and if u took 100 mg of fent u would be dead as fuck
 
ellua said:
silly goose, your arm won't fall off from snorting it!
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good one!!!! i dont think those comments were appropiate due to the fact NO ONE IS GONNA LISTEN TO HIM that person obviously hasnt navigated bluelight too much when people wanna get high or think they can get high off of something they are gonna try it regardless of the effects it will have for the people it helps prime example pain meds.for godsakes people drink HAIRSPRAY just to catch a lil buzz
 
pallidamors said:
I know that bupe has a higher affinity, and buprenorphine's effects arent reversed by naloxone, but I was under the impression that the naloxone didn't make it into the bloodstream when taken as directed, but if slammed, it would...so either one or both of the drugs in suboxone would send one into withdrawals. I just figured it'd be the naloxone doing the job more so than the bupe if the pill were slammed; otherwise, what would be the point of including the suboxone at all? Bupe alone can definitely cause precipitated withdrawals though, I guess I was just looking at the whole thing from a different angle.
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nope the bupe itself is what sends one into precipitated withdrawal, and it doesn't matter what ROA either, sublingual, insufflation, and iv can all send one into precip w/d, it just depends on the last time you took a full agonist. the naloxone in suboxone is pointless, but the reason they put it in there is so the drug could be schedule 3 instead of schedule 2 i believe, so that they could sell more of the drug.

DeLee said:
Yeah, that i did know but i have a vague recollection that i read somewhere in this forum that if you take a certain amount of suboxone IV
the naloxone would give you trouble but i might be wrong on that?

Anyone who knows about my other question, about any strange reactions between IV Suboxone(with the naloxone) and IV hydroxizine?
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Suboxone and klonopin

Hey guys I have one more question as I am about to jump back on suboxone but I want to try to use k-pins as something to help me with the anxiety of quitting and the cravings I get occasionally. lemme start out by saying that I know that replacing one addiction with the other is just as bad and in fact can be worst with benzo's but I'm pretty educated in both. I had a pretty good xanax habit for a month or two where i was using 4-10mg a day. On the other hand I have never had any problems quitting benzo's as long as i taper and I feel that I have become pretty in control of my feelings for them. I am really safe generally and don't plan on abusing the drug.

So down to the statistics. I was using 120-140mg of Oxy a day for whats getting close to a year now, not as bad as a lot of folks but still a helluv a habit to kick. I have tried suboxone a few times and the first time I made it 13 days, the second only 5, and now this is going to be my third and last time. It's been prolly around 5-6 months since i have touched any bezo's so I'm pretty sure my tolerance is low at the moment. I'm gonna be taking my last dose of oxy at 9:40 AM. and then I plan on taking a 2mg k-pin to go to sleep at around 2-3am. I plan on taking another when I wake up around 8 or 9AM and then dosing my sub at 6pm.

My question is to all of you benzo/sub users out there and those who just have some general knowlege. How risky is it to stay to a strict plan of 2mg kpin a day when needed (not necissarily every day just when im feeling like i need it) and 4mg - 8 mg sub daily. I figure as long as I am responsible and stick to 2mg I should be fine but any input would be greatly appreciated I am kinda obsessed with doing things safely but I feel this may be the extra boost I need to kick the oxy.

thanks guys <3
 
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