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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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~Mods, please dont move this, because its about bupe and hydrocodone.~
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Ha ha, nice try ;)

But bupe questions really do belong in the bupe mega thread.

I never found tramadol that great, if it works for you though I see no reason why it shouldn't add somewhat to the analgesia of the hydrocodone.
 
So its day 2 with no heroin...still taking about 8mg of suboxone a day. and i still feel like shit.. this has never happened before. i have kicked with subs many times with no issues. You know, take some suboxone right when i wake up and be feeling 100% by the time i get out of the bed. But this time i feel like i haven't taken ANYTHING. I mean, my withdrawals are just as bad if not worse than if i had taken nothing at all. Maybe my tolerance has gotten higher? Maybe its because before all i was using was dilaudid(which is pretty short-acting) so i guess it was off my receptors before i took the suboxone. Who knows..i am about to go pick up a few more subs and some Kpins...we'll see if i feel any better8)
 
Tchort said:
I and others have experienced worse withdrawal from Buprenorphine than from Heroin or Methadone. Erowid used to have several such reports in the train wrecks section of the Bupe experience vault, they are no longer there as far as I know. Once dependant on Bupe after starting a maintanence regimine, so it goes, tapering down is very easy, easier on Bupe than any other Opioid. But going from any dose of Bupe, taken daily or every other day, is impossible. The withdrawal symptoms encompass the full range of Heroin acute withdrawals symptoms, felt in a similar intensity. The big difference though is the psychological aspect. Any opioid withdrawal produces severe despair, depression, anxiety, insomnia, etc. From Bupe withdrawals, these symptoms were much more severe than from Heroin or Methadone. A mix between mania, paranoia, panic and suicidal despair on top of the physical withdrawal symptoms. Needless to say I and every other case of someone similar to mine went back on either Bupe, H or Methadone.

Could these more severe psychological withdrawal symptoms be linked to Buprenorphine's anti-depressant activity that is so often touted? Stopping SSRI/SNRI/MAOI/etc anti-depressants results in a horrible withdrawal syndrome, which horribly intense psychological symptoms. I believe this is the cause, once the anti-depressant function of Bupe is better understood so to will its role in the withdrawal syndrome.

Has anyone else experienced similar morbid withdrawals from Bupe?

Is that a plausible explanation?
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yes i wenty completely psychotic from cold turkey wd from 16 mgs of bupe iv daily, loads of crazy paranoia (everybody was trying to kill me , the pizza they where giving me was baby meat , organized satanical sects , etc ) , suicidal thoughts (tried to hang myself 2ce , left the gas on etc) , fulll blown visual hallucinations, i really didn't think i would ever become sane again .

after 3 -4 weeks on some anti-psychotic i was however


p.s i think this has to do with kappa agonism
 
thugpassion said:
The only opiate that can cut through bupe in a short amout of time is something like heroin, and then shooting it is your best bet to feel it :\ , any other ROA is a waste. Pills wont cut through bupe, especialy vicodin.
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word... a completely frustrating waste of time and money if you've been regularly using bupe. i hadn't had anything but suboxone for 2 months when i decided to try some OCs. waited ~3.5 days after my last dose of bupe, and even then it didn't do shit- i initially took 160mgs which is a stupid thing to do if you haven't had anything in a while, got antsy and took another for a total of 240mg within ~3 hours and didnt feel a goddamn thing but a wee bit tired.

that was nearly 10 months ago though and it was the last time that i strayed from my suboxone treatment, so i guess it was kind of a good thing because i learned my lesson. unfortunately the mental cravings are still there and then it's more like i'm being forced clean... im not not high because i choose to be, i'm not high because i can't be.

still sometimes i'd kill to get an opie rush... but don't wanna stop my sub for as many days as it would take for a full opiate to actually work again... then i start thinking about boosting the subs... then i realize i'm getting desperate and find another distraction >.< ::sigh::
 
being sober is hard. after being in enuf NA meetings and hearing , "well if ur not having fun in NA, i guess you might as well go back to using cuz atleast then you were having fun". well im back to using=D and im fine with it...

some people may say thats horrible. but its my life n i will steer it in whatever direction i want to :p
 
subutex/ heroin

i do about 3 bags a day of decent heroin and just got a 8mg subutex, i was told that it doesnt have the narcan in it like suboxone does. so do i have to wait till im sick to take it or can i take it now. i will probly iv it too. i used at 6pm its midnight. but will it t hrow me into withdrawl and 4mg iv 1st time should be plenty im told
 
first off, its not the naloxone in the pill that precipitates WD, its the buprenorphine itself. Take the subutex when you feel sick, its that easy. So many ppl get on here asking the same question, but no one can really answer it because everyone is different. Some ppl might be ok taking after 12, some might have to wait 24, it depends on your habit and how fast you WD.

also, in the name of harm reduction, dont shoot pills. Yea there are some pills that are not too bad to shoot like oxy IR and dilaudids, but subutex are big ass pills and trying to shoot one is like trying to filter cake batter lol...well maybe not that bad, but there are a lot of binders and fillers in those pills, so if you do end up shooting it, just filter really well and DONT MISS THE SHOT! haha....

and yeah, 4mgs should hold you fine. If you are def going to IV it, i would start with 2 and do more if you feel like you need it.
 
well i waited till 11 am and broke the pill into fourths bc im told its very strong but i have a big heroin tolerance so i didnt really know how much to take. Well i iv'd 2mg and i feel "normal", a mild opiate feeling, warmth in my stomach , lil lightheadness.. So i have 6mg left if i take 2mg a day that will be 4 days of no heroin in my system and when i run out of subutex i can get clear liquid methadone that had a nice rush when iv'd and i can make that last a couple days. hopefuly i can clean up. wish me luck.
 
smack513 said:
well i waited till 11 am and broke the pill into fourths bc im told its very strong but i have a big heroin tolerance so i didnt really know how much to take. Well i iv'd 2mg and i feel "normal", a mild opiate feeling, warmth in my stomach , lil lightheadness.. So i have 6mg left if i take 2mg a day that will be 4 days of no heroin in my system and when i run out of subutex i can get clear liquid methadone that had a nice rush when iv'd and i can make that last a couple days. hopefuly i can clean up. wish me luck.
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You really shouldn't shoot methadone, even if it is clear... its still a terrible thing to put in your veins.

If you really want to clean up, get a few more subutex and do a brief taper. Its been discussed on BL many times, but if you need it, someone (including me) can help you with the dosing schedule. A subutex/suboxone taper is the easiest way to get clean, especially if you don't have a huge habit -and if you do it right you won't even miss a night of sleep or feel bad withdrawals. I swear by subutex/suboxone for all detoxification needs. It works. It works better than anything else.
 
^Define "bad idea" ...

If you feel like you want to use needles, sure, go for it. If you have a sterile buprenex vial, you can IM it, because IVing for your first time might be difficult. Just make sure you get the dose right. Aren't the vials 0.3mg/mL? I wouldn't do that much to start. Start small. Remember the words you hear a lot... you hear them a lot because they are so true: "You can always do more, but you can never do less."
 
ok well its sat at 4 30 am. had a blast on the fourth with friends. wasnt all sik having to cop an shit. but i got another 8mg suboxone , not subutex this time.so i will def be ale so detox off heroin cause by the time i run out it will be 4 or 5 days of no dope. dude trys to sell the 8mg pills for, wait i dunno am i allowed to post a price ? thanks
 
Suboxone and Salvia

I don't know if this has been ever asked before but,

Since salvia divinorum is a Kappa Receptor Agonist, would the effects be blocked by a blockade dose of burpenorphine?
 
Hey Guys, You Know How They Have The Bio Availability For The First Post?? I Was Wondering If There Was A Website That They Got That From Because I Want To Show My Doctor Who Prescribes Me Suboxone The Bioavailability Because He Never Heard Of The Percentages And Was Pretty Surprised When I Told Him The Percentages, (Basically Didn't Believe Me) And Asked For Me To Print It Up To Show Him, But I Don't Want To Print It From This Site Because I'm Paranoid He Would Flip Out That I Got It From A "Recreational Drug" Site.

Plus I Thought Suboxone Was A Controlled 2 Substance...


Thanks Guys
 
I've had a two week break from buprenorphine.

Now I sense that I only get tired from it, and there is no euphoria.

Somethings is wrong now.
 
dadiddy23 said:
Hey Guys, You Know How They Have The Bio Availability For The First Post?? I Was Wondering If There Was A Website That They Got That From Because I Want To Show My Doctor Who Prescribes Me Suboxone The Bioavailability Because He Never Heard Of The Percentages And Was Pretty Surprised When I Told Him The Percentages, (Basically Didn't Believe Me) And Asked For Me To Print It Up To Show Him, But I Don't Want To Print It From This Site Because I'm Paranoid He Would Flip Out That I Got It From A "Recreational Drug" Site.

Plus I Thought Suboxone Was A Controlled 2 Substance...


Thanks Guys
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First: There's no need to type in all caps. As you can see, it doesn't let you anyway.

Second: Suboxone is a schedule III substance. Buprenorphine is schedule III, naloxone is unscheduled.

Third: The numbers are from this thread - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=266339 - they are compiled in the first post, so you'll have to search through that whole thread until you find the post they are taken from, and that will have the source of the information, which is most likely a medical journal. If you need help actually accessing those journals, PM me once you have all the information.
 
Suboxone question

My buddy is thinking of getting on suboxone to help with his daily opiate habit. He wants to quit, and he called a doctor about Suboxone. He got her number from a friend who had used this particular doctor. It turns out the doctor isn't part of a doctor's "office", and when he called it sounded like just a regular cell phone.

This "doctor" also told him that he would have to lower his oxy habit to like 40mg/day, before Suboxone could be effective. Is this true? And can people that aren't part of a doctor's office, but maybe have a valid license, prescribe this drug?
 
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