Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[chrisinabox]

NOOO it will not lower your tolerence. it has naloxone in it as well so dont be mixing sub with that tamad. it will most likely start withdrawaling, its different with everyone.
I take 24 mg suboxone and i took an OC one time an hour after i took my suboxone and within 10 minutes i was WITHDRAWALINGG!!! dont mix opiates with suboxone!!

if you take a full mu agonist i.e. oxycodone after taking suboxone, you shouldn't go into withdrawal. its usually only if you take suboxone too soon after taking a full mu agonist that this happens. i don't understand how this would make you go into withdrawal?

 

[evolutionofthemind]

Ok people stop taking more then 8mgs a day, its pointless, and its actually going to make u feel worse then if you had just stuck to 8mgs or less a day. I am on 0.5-2mgs a day, right now im all over the place with dosing which is actually working pretty good cuz somedays ill go the whole day without taking any sub and take it the next day. Its good to get down real low with ur Suboxone dose, like for instance last time i came off bupe i got down to SERIOUSLY doing 0.25-0.5mgs every OTHER day and sometimes only like once or twice a week, i know that sounds stoopid but Bupe is very strong even at low doses like that. Last time it was a lot easier cuz i was using the 2mg tabs but now im working with the 8mg tabs which are a lot harder to get down to an exact measurement.. anyways all im saying is stick around the 2mg a day dosage range and THEN start working down, cuz honestly if your taking more then 2mgs a day your no where near being clean...w0rd

How was the WD when you stopped completely after getting down to 0.25-0.5mgs every other day?

 

[johanneschimpo]

^ I can't speak for him, but in my experience following a plan like that (0.5 every other day actually), I was fine. I had a little bit of benzos/imodium to help me out, made kept my mind busy, ate well, and was mobile. By doing that, I didn't even miss a night of sleep. No RLS, no shitting, no puking, no bone aches, nothing at all. It's amazingly easy if you are meticulous in your taper.

 

[Ungoliath]

Can anyone give me advice on how to find a suboxone or subtex or even bupe doctor in Canada, I believe the suboxone website only has doctors in the US (I think suboxone was recently introduced to the Canadian market and I do know up here you require a special license for suboxone, does anyone know if thats for bupe in general or just suboxone?)

This is auctually asking for some friends of mine who I feel godawful for, having to walk in -30 celcious (Thats BEFORE windchill) weather just to get there methadone every morning , instead of simply being able to pop a tablet from there pill bottle at home (and its only going to get colder till march. (Im lucky enough to be a pain management patient, lol)

 

[johanneschimpo]

^ This is all I could find, hope it helps: http://www.indro-online.de/canada.htm
If not, all you or your friend has to do it call his doctor and/or insurance company. If shit is different in Canada due to the way health care is handled, call whoever the appropriate person is in this situation, they will hook you up.

 

[Ungoliath]

Thanks Chimpo for the website i'll dig through it, but the doctors have no clue (i've asked over 20, including 2 WHO DEAL WITH ADDICTION SPECIFICALLY!) and blue cross could only tell me if its covered, thanks again though for helping me, that site looks useful, I hope more canadian users will have greater ease finding it then I can, I know so many people who need it over methadone, and over dilaudid (big problem here, 95% of crime in my city according to police chief is dilaudid related) It truely does seem like a miracle drug, I hope its working well for everyone, ive always feared the liquid handcuffs but suboxone sounds like obama and mohammed mixed together

 

[johanneschimpo]

Suboxone is definitely far superior than methadone for those who want to get clean.
The people I know who have used the suboxone route are either have either dropped their dose to something very small (like 2mg) or have completely gotten off, and all of them are on the right track, clean from heroin and all other drugs. Suboxone really helped them. And it helps me.
The people I know who went the methadone route often use while they are on the juice, stop going after a while to get back to heroin, or if they do stay on, continually raise their dose trying to get high from it. Those that I know on methadone don't give a shit about being clean, they are just dicking around.

Ungoliath: I wish you the best of luck, and if there's any way I can help you, please PM me.

 

[evolutionofthemind]

^ i can't speak for him, but in my experience following a plan like that (0.5 every other day actually), i was fine. I had a little bit of benzos/imodium to help me out, made kept my mind busy, ate well, and was mobile. By doing that, i didn't even miss a night of sleep. No rls, no shitting, no puking, no bone aches, nothing at all. It's amazingly easy if you are meticulous in your taper.

rls?

 

[evolutionofthemind]

I do know up here you require a special license for suboxone, does anyone know if thats for bupe in general or just suboxone?)

From what I hear (in the US anyway), a doctor has to have a special license to prescribe bupe for patients if they are taking it for opiate dependence/WD, but if it's for pain management any doctor can prescribe it; not sure about the laws in Canada...

 

[EnYAY]

^^^

RLS = RESTLESS LEG SYNDROME

that kick in your legs that doesn't stop for days, irritating & painful.

you cant sit or lay in one position for more then 10 seconds, you feel like you need to move around, move your legs into another position.

there is this weird pain while all this is happening.

a descent bout of RLS stops one from sleeping at ALL.

 

[evolutionofthemind]

^^^

RLS = RESTLESS LEG SYNDROME

that kick in your legs that doesn't stop for days, irritating & painful.

you cant sit or lay in one position for more then 10 seconds, you feel like you need to move around, move your legs into another position.

there is this weird pain while all this is happening.

a descent bout of RLS stops one from sleeping at ALL.

Ahhhhh.... yes I'm quite familar with that (unfortunately), and it's not just your legs, I just can't sit still; I hate it.

 

[evolutionofthemind]

The people I know who went the methadone route often use while they are on the juice, stop going after a while to get back to heroin, or if they do stay on, continually raise their dose trying to get high from it.

I know all about raising one's dose trying to get high from methadone; I OD'd and was in a coma for almost 2 weeks and almost died. My roommate woke up and found me barely breathing with black foamy vomit all over my face; I was breathing my own puke. My entire body had a raging infection (sepsis), and I was on a ventilator for almost the entire time I was in the coma. I fully recovered over the next month or so, but CERTAINLY learned my lesson about methadone...

 

[johanneschimpo]

Yeah. Fuck methadone (IMO/IME... for detoxification/maintenance at least).

Ahhhhh.... yes I'm quite familar with that (unfortunately), and it's not just your legs, I just can't sit still; I hate it.

Yeah, its common to have a restless feeling in your whole body, but I don't know if there's a name for it. RLS is named and recognized as an actual "condition," so I used that name.


And here's a fun fact for the kiddies! (which I'd guess a lot of you already know): the term "kicking the habit" came from RLS - it came from how addicts would kick their legs wildly when they were withdrawaling from heroin (or other opiates).

 

[evolutionofthemind]

And here's a fun fact for the kiddies! (which I'd guess a lot of you already know): the term "kicking the habit" came from RLS - it came from how addicts would kick their legs wildly when they were withdrawaling from heroin (or other opiates).

Yup. I've heard that too... you can't sit still and you feel like crawling out of your skin, and for some reason you "kick" your leg(s) trying to get rid of it. I can take the vomiting, the lethargy, the runny nose, pretty much everything else except this symptom of WD...

 

[jaroben]

^ I can't speak for him, but in my experience following a plan like that (0.5 every other day actually), I was fine. I had a little bit of benzos/imodium to help me out, made kept my mind busy, ate well, and was mobile. By doing that, I didn't even miss a night of sleep. No RLS, no shitting, no puking, no bone aches, nothing at all. It's amazingly easy if you are meticulous in your taper.

Dude, i can't tell you how good it makes me feel to here this from someone. Since, all I have been hearing is w/ds suck even coming off of 0.25mg. Though, I realize everyone is different. I'm currently taking somewhere between 0.25-0.5mg/day.

My doc kind of mocked me, like the dickhole that he is, saying I shouldn't even of had trouble getting off of 1mg/day.. as I sat there in his office vomiting in his garbage can. I brought up a taper plan to him that, I think I read from someone on bluelight, would have me break apart my doses until the doses are too small to break up accurately, then keep extending the time in between my doses by 2 hours. So, start with say, 0.5mg every 12 hours, then every 14 hours, then 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, until i'm taking my dose every couple of days. Then try to jump off. My doc expressed curiosity and asked me to call him back with the results.

 

[jaroben]

Also, another taper theory for suboxone.

Since oral bioavailability is lower than sublingual, couldn't you use that to an advantage in tapering at smaller doses?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I am on 0.5-2mgs a day, right now im all over the place with dosing which is actually working pretty good cuz somedays ill go the whole day without taking any sub and take it the next day. Its good to get down real low with ur Suboxone dose,

True, though you did ramble on a bit.

I try to keep it under 4mg a day, usually hit 1.5mg - 3mg on the average.

I'm trying to wean to 2mg, then 1mg, then 0.5mg, but am not in a rush to do so.

 

[johanneschimpo]

Also, another taper theory for suboxone.

Since oral bioavailability is lower than sublingual, couldn't you use that to an advantage in tapering at smaller doses?

You could, but it would be pointless/wasteful. Instead of swallowing X amount to make it half as strong as X amount sublingually, just take 1/2 X sublingually. Less waste.

 

[jaroben]

the whole reason i was wondering because of how inaccurate the doses get below 0.5mg. I, personally, can't consistently break it evenly, even with a razor.

Though, that was more in theory. It would just be easier to space out the doses longer each time.

 

[johanneschimpo]

^ Use liquid measurement. Make a solution that is X mg suboxone in Y mL water/alcohol. Then you can dose in a very low and accurate way with a pipette or a syringe.