Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[thissongiscalled]

Just putting this out there since its on my mind. Im not a heavy drug user, but I have had the chance of receiving a few suboxones before and the first time i did it, i snorted about an 8th (of the 8mg ones) and got sick. I assumed it was because I had never done opiates recreationally. I was sick all day actually...till I smoked it helped relieve some of the nausea. I did it again the same way and did about 2mgs and I felt extemely relaxed and mildy euphoric, not a bad time at all.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Just putting this out there since its on my mind. Im not a heavy drug user, but I have had the chance of receiving a few suboxones before and the first time i did it, i snorted about an 8th (of the 8mg ones) and got sick. I assumed it was because I had never done opiates recreationally. I was sick all day actually...till I smoked it helped relieve some of the nausea. I did it again the same way and did about 2mgs and I felt extemely relaxed and mildy euphoric, not a bad time at all.

Yeah, buprenorphine can be really intense for someone who doesn't regularly use opiates.Buprenorphine is also a very recreational opiate for those who have no opiate tolerance.

 

[cire113]

ok whats the deal with suboxone nightmares? jesus scary shit

 

[dopiate]

ok whats the deal with suboxone nightmares? jesus scary shit

Ive definitely had some scary nightmares after taking suboxone

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Most people say drugs like morphine give them nightmares. I think intense dreams is a side effect of most opiates to one extent or another.

 

[Eight0Eight]

Haven't had any Subutex for a week now.

Went to the clinic and managed to get more lofexedine ("Britlofex") and Diazapam. They also gave me quinine and something to stop puking (forgotten the name). Have stopped the booze now that I have enough meds.

I think I'm through the worst of it.

Can't speak highly enough of the lofexidine. It completely suppressed the worst of the WD. It was only when I ran out of them did I realise the extent to how much it was helping.

It stopped the sweats,chills,leg kicks/RLS,yawning,runny nose etc. I still felt/feel shit - but having just the sweats and "midnight breaakdancing" taken care of alone made it easier to deal with.

Just using the valium at night - as the lofexidine does nothing to help you sleep I've found. The valium by itself, even though i9ts not strong enough to make you sleep in WD, it does help me just chill out. When paired with lofexidine, it has made my bupe kick much easier than a smack kick.

 

[Northside]

I knew you'd fuckin do it Eight, you go boy! I've been off like months now, it's great, I promise it gets great.

Not that I'm clean, but I am still not in any physical dependence.

You go boy.

 

[Eight0Eight]

Thanks mate!

It is quite exciting being so close to being opiate-free after so many years of bullshit addiction.

I definitely think Subutex is a great tool for us addicts, I just wish GP's would get rid of this idea that coming off them is *easy*. I've had a real hard time getting the meds I needed to make the WD do-able.

The GP's I've talked to seem to think that coming off a dose off 1mg or less shouldn't produce WD symptoms and doesn't require meds to make it not so harsh. I've even had them suggest that the PHYSICAL symptoms were in my head (which made me want to headbutt them).

Lofexidine is whats really made a difference, but they seem anxious to prescribe it due to the fact it can lower blood pressure. I had to have the local pharmacy check my blood pressure every morning for 3 days in a row before finally giving me some to take away with me. Even then the script wasn't enough to cover my symptoms - so I ran out in just a couple days.

I went back up to the city clinic (£40/3-hour train journey) to fight my case, and get a larger script - along with the valium which they REALLY didn't want to give me alongside the lofex'.

I hope that they have learnt from my case, and aren't such dicks to the next person they deal with thats in my situation.

I found the WD from -1mg bupe to feel no different to a full agonist like heroin. After talking to several other bupe clients at the clinic, and people online - they tend to tottally agree!

Most users, unless locked-up, WILL go and use heroin if they are in full-blown WD's. Which is bullshit if you've spent so long trying to not use and reducing your dose. If I hadn't of been given much more lofex and valium, I'm pretty certain I would have and used H straight away - as when the lofex wears-off the WD's that it has been suppressing hits you like a fucking hammer!

Anyway, thats enough ranting for one day! Just pleased I've made it this far without taking opiates.

Northside - so are you chipping then? That's the feeling I got from your post.

Are you using much? or just a bag now and then? You have to be real careful to not get a habit after you've been clean once. ALL the users I've talked to said they became physically addicted *loads* quicker than the first time round.

Cheers,

8

 

[Northside]

Oh I haven't done dope in almost eight years, I went on the subs because I got a habit on MS Contins, and was using methadone "recreationally"

I did a lot of pills at first getting off the subs, and used subs a few times too but now I'm not using any opes. Mostly because my sweet morphine deal finally got screwed up - I had a running thing with a guy, I'd pay him in weed for the pills, then about three weeks ago he didn't get to me with the shit he owed me and I just let it go, I'm better off anyway.

I still go to the sub clinic and get my subs, I have a bunch in case I need them but I'm glad I detoxed myself because the clinic is talking about kicking us off if we keep having dirty urines for THC, outrageous, right? What next?

I know it's bad to have reservations, and if I didn't just have an expensive car repair and a bunch of expenses that were extra I would have gotten some pills somewhere else, and when my money evens out again I probably will. No, definitely will.

Easy for me to say, I have a bunch of suboxone in my drawer. I don't know if that's more good or bad. But right this minute I am actually clean, it's been at least a week since I used either opiates or subs.

 

[Eight0Eight]

Good on you mate!

I don't think I could do a cluck with a draw full of Subutex! That must of been a serious mindfuck.

Can't beleive you get kicked-off for giving dirty urines - especially weed! Thats insane.

I've actually asked my keyworker about this in the past - Over here, you can keep giving dirty tests as long as you want. All that will happen is they won't give you any sort of "take-away" doses.

He said the only times they have kicked people off their bupe/meth program has been once when the client attacked/assaulted a staff member, and another client who tampered with their script, and tried to pick up over 1000mgs of methadone from the pharmacy! As a single dose! 8(

Having said that, I have cheated tests before - just because I was embarrassed/ashamed of my use. And didn't want anyone else to know.

 

[bang that shit]

well my needle fetish got the best of me. I injected 2mg of suboxone. no rush. Not nodding. I have a feeling of calm and normalcy that i get on opiates, with that fammiliar wobbly leg feeling. besides that I fell normal... no nod or anything.

ok few more quick questions

Would doing another 1-2mg do much? iv heard soboxone is one of those things if you take more, its not gonna do much. (haha didnt explain that well baked :D)

Also I know i should wait atleast 24 hours after doing suboxone to doing an opiate. So if used tomorrow afternoon im straight? only reason i ask this is because i think the suboxone half life is longer than 24 hours.

I occasionally do cocaine (pretty rarely but still once inawhile) if take suboxone at night will doing some coke at night be ok? And how about poppin xanny bars, for a recreational dose?

Gonna try and not shoot thse up. I think to prevent that haha im just gonna try and take in the morning before i let me inner junkie to get me. But lets say i took it normally in the morning, and i tried to shoot up later in the day?

 

[Eight0Eight]

I found shooting up my Subutex helped me in some respects, but fucked me up in others.

Shooting them wouldn't get me high - but if I was SICK (which I always was in the mornings), then shot my dose - the almost instant relief I felt was nice. It wasn't a rush or a high - but it was nice.

Also, if you shoot up your subutex in the morning you still have your ritual from your smack days. This is good at the beggining of a bupe program. But it fucked me up at the end, and you have to stop using needles suddenly.

Bupe doesn't affect coke at all. Thats why a lot of addicts get on Subutex, then take up crack.

Also, the amount of time you have to wait after taking bupe to get high differs from person to person.

I've nodded HARD on smack just 12 hours after taking 12mg Subutex. I've read people on these forums, that have waited much longer than 24 hours and still not feel the opiates they've used on top.

I also found that Subutex doses 2mg or less had next to no blockade effect at all. Again, I suspect this will change from person to person though.

 

[bang that shit]

I also found that Subutex doses 2mg or less had next to no blockade effect at all. Again, I suspect this will change from person to person though.

blockade effect as in other opiates not getting me high?

also thank u for answering most of my questions:D

haha my legs still feel kinda wobbly... but ina good way. Is it worth it to take another 2mg? or will it not increase my effects much

 

[Eight0Eight]

blockade effect as in other opiates not getting me high?

Yes

Also, no-one can say if you should do another 2mg dose. Personally, I wouldn't bother even trying to get high from the stuff. Two reasons.

1) It most likely won't work.
2) If you keep on taking more sub than you need you will have a greater tolerance to it, and it will take longer to reduce/get off.

 

[bang that shit]

Yes

Also, no-one can say if you should do another 2mg dose. Personally, I wouldn't bother even trying to get high from the stuff. Two reasons.

1) It most likely won't work.
2) If you keep on taking more sub than you need you will have a greater tolerance to it, and it will take longer to reduce/get off.

yea thats what i was thinking. Im not gonna take anymore. prolly gonna catch some brunch ina bit


edit: also idunno if any1 else gets this with opiates mainly OC, but a slight stimulant effect... well not really stimulant... but like less lazy... idunno but i have it got some work done.

 

[Z Y G G Y]

Why is there such an enormous difference b/w the price of 2mg and 8mg pills? Is that always the case with meds? I was just looking at my online history at Walgreen's and did the math.

8mg= 91c/mg 1 pill= 7.28
2mg=2.93/mg 1 pill= 5.86

the 2mg pills are over 3 times more expensive per mg. Prices may vary but the difference will probably not.

Glad I got insurance now. The monthly sub price is about how much insurance costs per month for a marriage. Generic due this October, but was also due 2 years ago so let's keep our fingers crossed.

 

[cire113]

I wonder if anyone is even going to step up to the plate and make a generic....


but considering how potent sub is ...i think 7 or 8 dollars for an 8mg pill is pretty cheap....


I dont care what type of habit you have..... 4mgs of sub every 12 hrs should be able to make you feel pretty normal or w/d free

 

[bang that shit]

I ate 1 more 2mg pill around 1... making my total 4mg

My problem is now questioning if I never wanna do opiates again.... But I dont know.... I did get a 40 today from a new guy. im still prolly gonna use it tomorrow. But then im gonna try and keep away from it during the week with the suboxone

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Good on you mate!

I don't think I could do a cluck with a draw full of Subutex! That must of been a serious mindfuck.

Can't beleive you get kicked-off for giving dirty urines - especially weed! Thats insane.

I've actually asked my keyworker about this in the past - Over here, you can keep giving dirty tests as long as you want. All that will happen is they won't give you any sort of "take-away" doses.

He said the only times they have kicked people off their bupe/meth program has been once when the client attacked/assaulted a staff member, and another client who tampered with their script, and tried to pick up over 1000mgs of methadone from the pharmacy! As a single dose! 8(

Having said that, I have cheated tests before - just because I was embarrassed/ashamed of my use. And didn't want anyone else to know.

It's really good to hear you're doing well man.

I've never agreed with urine analysis for ORT (with buprenorphine) because the whole point of using something like Suboxone or Subutex in the first place is to help quit using primarily opiates. If you make people choose between "only buprenorphine" and the whole world full of drugs, no one's going to choose "just buprenorphine" especially when you can find that outside of the clinic too!

In the US it seems most buprenorphine doctors don't drug test (or, enough of them don't) and I'm rather glad for that. Less people would be getting help via Suboxone/Subutex if urine analysis happened in every buprenorphine clinic.

Overall though I'm really happy to hear you're doing better man. I've been clean from heroin for 11 months (today is the day!) and I am glad I have abstained for as long as I have. I'm still using Suboxone but I've tapered down pretty low.

well my needle fetish got the best of me. I injected 2mg of suboxone. no rush. Not nodding. I have a feeling of calm and normalcy that i get on opiates, with that fammiliar wobbly leg feeling. besides that I fell normal... no nod or anything.

You have to wait a long time before IV suboxone will give you a rush. Your natural opiate tolerance has to drop as you stay with Suboxone for a while (weeks/months, depends on your history etc).

ok few more quick questions

Would doing another 1-2mg do much? iv heard soboxone is one of those things if you take more, its not gonna do much. (haha didnt explain that well baked :D)

I know what you mean - but it's just that; doing more won't really help. It's typically lower doses that get you a rush with buprenorphine. Plus, you have to taper down with buprenorphine first so that a low dose of it will effect you pretty well.

Also I know i should wait atleast 24 hours after doing suboxone to doing an opiate. So if used tomorrow afternoon im straight? only reason i ask this is because i think the suboxone half life is longer than 24 hours.

I have used Suboxone and then used heroin as soon as 12 hours later, and I was fine. 24 hours is a lot better though, that's what you should be aiming for. However, I wouldn't go back so soon - you should give Suboxone a chance to work man. After the first week you'll notice a big difference. Of course I'm not going to say "don't do it" all together, I certainly switched back and forth for a while.

I occasionally do cocaine (pretty rarely but still once inawhile) if take suboxone at night will doing some coke at night be ok? And how about poppin xanny bars, for a recreational dose?

Cocaine isn't going to seem as great when you're on Suboxone (compared to other opiates, ie heroin) - I would say if you're still going to do it, just make sure not to go over board with it.

Xanax and Suboxone have a really strong synergy - you will want to take a lower Xanax dose than usual, as Suboxone will make it more efficient. For example, if you normally take 1mg-2mg, try 0.5mg (maybe 1mg if you have a tolerance). I would stick to low benzo doses while on Suboxone because anything more will just make you retarded - trust me on that one.

Gonna try and not shoot thse up. I think to prevent that haha im just gonna try and take in the morning before i let me inner junkie to get me. But lets say i took it normally in the morning, and i tried to shoot up later in the day?

Yeah, stick to sublingually using your Suboxone for a while. That's a good plan.

What would you try to shoot up later in the day? OC, heroin? It might work, you also might lose a lot of effects and not really get much out of them. Depends on how quickly you metabolize stuff.

yea thats what i was thinking. Im not gonna take anymore. prolly gonna catch some brunch ina bit

Good choice - if you do too much Suboxone, you'll get really irritable really easily and it's not fun.

edit: also idunno if any1 else gets this with opiates mainly OC, but a slight stimulant effect... well not really stimulant... but like less lazy... idunno but i have it got some work done.

Yeah, Suboxone is a very, very stimulating opiate, in a similar way OC's are stimulating to some.

Why is there such an enormous difference b/w the price of 2mg and 8mg pills? Is that always the case with meds? I was just looking at my online history at Walgreen's and did the math.

8mg= 91c/mg 1 pill= 7.28
2mg=2.93/mg 1 pill= 5.86

the 2mg pills are over 3 times more expensive per mg. Prices may vary but the difference will probably not.

Glad I got insurance now. The monthly sub price is about how much insurance costs per month for a marriage. Generic due this October, but was also due 2 years ago so let's keep our fingers crossed.

Having health insurance makes being on Suboxone a lot easier. Glad to hear you got some.

I ate 1 more 2mg pill around 1... making my total 4mg

My problem is now questioning if I never wanna do opiates again.... But I dont know.... I did get a 40 today from a new guy. im still prolly gonna use it tomorrow. But then im gonna try and keep away from it during the week with the suboxone

You should wait a while before thinking about that. I decided that I'm not going to be doing opiates for a long while.

Feel free to talk about what you're thinking about here, it's good to discuss these kinds of things so you can get feedback, etc. Some feedback would've helped me out when I first got on Suboxone.

I find trying to quit drugs without having many people to talk about it to can be really hard, whereas having some form of support (even online) can make a world of difference.

 

[drug struggler]

yea thats what i was thinking. Im not gonna take anymore. prolly gonna catch some brunch ina bit


edit: also idunno if any1 else gets this with opiates mainly OC, but a slight stimulant effect... well not really stimulant... but like less lazy... idunno but i have it got some work done.

I relapsed just so I could move outta my apartment this weekend! (and cause I love opiates let us not forget, but that's my rationale )

I'm moving heavy shit all weekend and then organizing and storing smaller shit next week... To answer your question, YES, oxy gives me tremendous stimulation and stamina. I got the work done of 4 men the last 2 days and enjoyed every second... You know, that perfect dose where you can work like a horse, and if you want to take a quick smoke break, still be able to nod... What a sick fuck I am who's going to have a world of shit to deal w/ when coming down next weekend.

Fuck it, dude, lets go bowling. Total wrong thread for this rant anyway