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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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^^No need to become defensive about it. No worries, man..uh...sister. Jadium sounds like he/she is going through some withdrawal with watery eyes and the sneezing thing. That's usually one of the first symptoms I get when in withdrawal. Maybe you need to up your dose to 6 to 8 mg. Many on here believe in a less is more philosophy but many of us need 8-16mg of suboxone to reduce all withdrawal symptoms and lessen cravings.
 
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Jadium sounds like he/she is going through some withdrawal with watery eyes and the sneezing thing. That's usually one of the first symptoms I get when in withdrawal. Maybe you need to up your dose to 6 to 8 mg. Many on here believe in a less is more philosophy but many of us need 8-16mg of suboxone to reduce all withdrawal symptoms and lessen cravings.
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Common sense says, if your tolerance is sky high for ANY drug, the only way to reduce your tolerance is to start taking less and less of that drug. And I'm pretty sure that's what Jadium wants to do - reduce their tolerance.
 
dwid said:
You do realize that tons of Americans are struggling to make ends meet in this current economy right?
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So, it was the economy's fault your wife started taking your medication, and now you don't have the resources to have a doctor help with this situation?

I think not.

If you can't afford to take your wife to a doctor, how are you going to afford a child?

It sounds like you need to take a trip to the abortion clinic to me, IMO.

It's better to bring children into the world that you can feed and take care of while still being able to take care of yourself.
 
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possibly when they scroll down more than half the front page and maybe take a peek at pages 2, 3, 4...and maybe use the OD directory and search function;)

OD could essentially survive off a majority of mega threads:\ maybe not...
 
leftwing said:
possibly when they scroll down more than half the front page and maybe take a peek at pages 2, 3, 4...and maybe use the OD directory and search function;)

OD could essentially survive off a majority of mega threads:\ maybe not...
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I think OD could survive off of a great deal of mega threads, but people still post lots of interesting threads that involve a random number of subjects that couldn't be covered by most mega threads.
 
thats a more specific way to say it - start taking some days off
you can take a day or 2 off, use for a few days, then eventually you are taking less of the drug and have a lower tolerance
 
3 Buprenorphine Questions (Suboxone/Subutex)

Hi, I've used the search engine and had a good read in the mega thread but I can't find the answers a few questions I've got about bupe.

I just had some wisdom teeth out and I plan to use bupe for 3-4 days to help me get over the pain, I know it's not the best opiate to use for pain but from past experiences it does work well at killing pain for me. I don't have access to any other opiates apart from what I mention below.

The nurse advised me to take co-codamol and ibuprofen but I'd prefer something more effective as I have quite a low pain threshold and I need to get on with college and work, I think I can take those alongside the bupe if need be. I've got some DHC 120's but they don't seem to work for me, maybe I'm one of those people who can't metabolise codeine/dhc properly...

I'm pretty much opiate naive apart from occasional bupe/dhc/tramadol use (Not used bupe for a month or so at least)

Anyway I'll stop chatting on and get to the questions -

1. I know you are meant to wait 3 days after doing other opiates before you do bupe to prevent precipitated withdrawals, although I did 1 DHC 120mg yesterday, would it be ok to do bupe tomorrow? I'm not addicted and I've only used these very lightly over the past month or so (3 or 4 a week)

2. I think it is ok but I'd like to confirm that it's ok to take tramadol (ultram) alongside the bupe?

3. Is it ok to take the Co-Codamol (8/500) alongside the bupe? I'm thinking the 8mg (or 16mg) of codeine wouldn't be a problem with the bupe as it's such a small amount?

I only plan to do about 1-2mg of bupe a day (I find them a good anti-depressant and I get quite a nice buzz of them as well as the pain killing properties)

Cheers for your help :)

Drench
 
^^^^^ thanks everyone for the advice.... ^^^^^^^

i've been trying to skip the occasional day, with some success, but I find myself just sleeping all day til the next dose - not very productive to say the least.

the other scenario is: i skip a dose meaning to lower my tolerance (or in this case start feeling some of the effects / or just more 'well' from the next bupe dose) and after sleeping for about 8 hours, wake up with the bright idea of calling mi amigo mexicano to deliver me a gram or two...

Half a gram breaks through quite nicely (even on top of 4-6 mgs of bupe taken even 3 hours earlier) and the remaining dope makes me feel fkn marvelous for the next 12-18 hours....

then it's crash and burn, and eat 1 or 2 mgs of bupe every 6 hours or so combined with sleep and total inactivity... 2 days of this and i'm back to square one

anyone with similar experience or some wisdom to impart here? thanks for all your responses so far

JDM
 
oh hey - pink cloud -

did you end up feeling the oxy? also, the .3 g of dope you smoked - was it tar or powder? i'm curious - because it seemed 72 hours of no bupe after only taking 2mg should of definitely allowed you to feel the bupe... you felt nothing at all? the oxy afterwords?

A theory here - since you're a smoker/sniffer your habit was probably never THAT great - you still have a reasonably healthy endorphin system - the 2mg is more than enough to hold you, and the way the 1/2 life works, even after 72 hours you had enough bupe in you to completely block the dope...

It seems your circumstances are WAY different than mine - I can shoot .5g off tar after 4mg of sub taken 3 hours earlier and feel it quite nicely
 
oh - yeah, i forgot - either the above theory OR you're just getting really bad dope - .3g of H should equal or exceed an Oxy 80
 
Do not take other opioids concurrent with Buprenorphine. 8mg or 16mg Codeine will not have an impact anyway. Do not take Tramadol first. I wouldn't recommend taking it at all.

Buprenorphine is a potent analgesic; there is nothing wrong with using it for pain (Temgesic and Buprenex, at 0.2mg or 0.3mg/ml, show how potent it is for pain killing applications). It will be adequate by itself; no need for DHC, Codeine or Tramadol.
 
Drench said:
1. I know you are meant to wait 3 days after doing other opiates before you do bupe to prevent precipitated withdrawals, although I did 1 DHC 120mg yesterday, would it be ok to do bupe tomorrow? I'm not addicted and I've only used these very lightly over the past month or so (3 or 4 a week)
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You should be fine, but generally you want to wait until you start feeling withdrawals before dosing Buprenorphine to make sure you will not precipitate withdrawals.

2. I think it is ok but I'd like to confirm that it's ok to take tramadol (ultram) alongside the bupe?
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I've read many accounts of the two drugs actually having synergistic effects when taken together, so yes, that combination should be ok. At worst, the Buprenorphine will just block the Tramadol.

3. Is it ok to take the Co-Codamol (8/500) alongside the bupe? I'm thinking the 8mg (or 16mg) of codeine wouldn't be a problem with the bupe as it's such a small amount?
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Again, like with the Tramadol, the worst that would happen is the Buprenorphine would block the effects of the Codeine. I've taken up to 300mg along-side Buprenorphine in the past without any negative effects.
 
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Hi, I have been on subutex for quite some time but I found out my wife has been taking a couple of my pills every month and deviding them up, she is basically taking like 1/16th of a 8mg pill a day. Yes I was poed but there is more to the story to where that sneaking my medicine was put on the backburner

The problem is that she is pregnant now and is 9 weeks along and we didnt know. The Obgyn that we are stuck with because of medicaid is not exactly understanding and we are kind of afraid to tell her the situation. (she seems very ignorant, especially when it comes to drugs, we are in a small town)

I dont know exactly what to do. Is it such a small amount that it wont affect the baby? or should i wean her down very slowly throughout the pregnancy as long as their is no discomfort?

Everything i read is about women taking at least 4mg and even then half the babies dont experience any withdrawal after birth. Since she is taking less than .5 mg im not exactly sure what to do here.

If anybody has any suggestions id appreciate it, i searched pregnancy and subutex but not much came up
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With the dose she has been taking, I would suggest her to continue taking it if she absolutely needs to. Why? For one, it's a really low dose, and two, withdrawal is worse for a baby than Suboxone/Subutex or Methadone.

If you were to tell your doctor about her pregnancy and her taking the Subutex, the doctor would most likely tell you the same thing.

Withdrawing from opioids is much more likely to cause a miscarriage, which is why a pregnant addict who is either using something like heroin or oxycodone or whatever will be advised to go on Methadone or Buprenorphine, and why an addict already on either Buprenorphine or Methadone will be advised to stay on it. On top of that, there isn't much evidence to indicate that low doses of either drugs is detrimental to the un-born child.

So yeah, with the dose she is taking, going off the medication may be worse for the baby than staying on. But let me ask you this - if she stopped taking the Subutex, how severe would her withdrawals be? Did she have an opiate habit before taking the Subutex, or did she only start taking it out of curiosity and to get high? If it's the former, keep her on it, but if it's the later, than she isn't going to have withdrawals and the obvious answer then would be to have her immediately stop taking the Subutex.
 
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