Bupe (SUBOXONE AND KRATOM) using kratom while on suboxone and to taper

[boguslives]

ive been taking suboxone for almost 3 years and i got discharged from my program i have managed to make my last script (14 8 mg strips) last a couple months by tapering down, i went from 8 and now im stable at .5 but i have decided to continue to taper all the way off and i want to just start taking kratom. Has anyone done this? can you share your experiences? i no longer use opiates but im not ready to go completely off of drugs so i wanna take kratom for a while until i get to a place where i can be clean.

some questions: is taking kratom while on suboxone dangerous at all? is switching from suboxone to kratom damaging to your liver? how long have people used both daily and how was it?

i will be on subs for about another 10 weeks and i want to start taking the kratom now to alleviate the side effects but im worried about it negatively effecting my health.

 

[Flaga121]

Don't add the Kratom, use it after you jump. Adding Kratom is working backwards.

Do 2 days off subs, and jump to Kratom. Worked like a goddam miracle for me. Taking it while on subs will just go increase your tolerance rather then moving towards your goal.

 

[OEandricearoni]

Like the above poster said dont take them at the same time. Wait a few days until u are fully in sub wd. The longer you wait the better.

 

[boguslives]

like a miracle huh? like as in got rid of your withdrawls considerably or completely? also could you tell me how many mgs of subs you were taking when you jumped and how long?

 

[Flaga121]

I was on 1.5-2mg from 2 years.

Tapered down to .025mg over 2.5 weeks. Then two days clean, then jump. First few days had waves of withdrawal but nothing that one couldn't handle. Then they went away after about 3 days.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

I know many people that have successfully used Kratom to come off bupe, with minimal to no withdrawals. I'm probably going to use it once I start tapering on the methadone and hop off.

If you use it right, get good quality product, it can really do wonders. Get down to as low of a dose of bupe as you can go, (preferably <1mg), and then switch to the Kratom, dosing as needed, and then tapering on that.

One buddy of mine, just used Maeng Da kratom to come off bupe, and he did awesome. He can't believe how well it worked and how good he feels.

 

[somnilicious]

I was using only 3-4 bags a day this last run and did my very short low dose methadone taper. I have been taking about 1-3mgs of suboxone for like the last five days and I plan to take two more days of 1mg. I then am going to take the remaining 8mgs I have in sub microgram doses for like the next week getting down to the tiniest possible pieces of the 8mg strip that I can manage. Did I prolong my taper to long? Can I expect the withdrawals to be painful? If it helps I got off of methadone and benzos on New Years and since then I have been chipping on dope which led to me getting back into one of my many several week long H runs. Would I have been better off just quitting the dope? I never completely got passed PAWS from my New Years jump from methadone and benzos. Thank you for any replies. I am very experienced with every opiate/opiod under the sun but have almost nil experience with subs. My first and only other experience with Subs was when I tried to jump from 30mgs of methadone a day to Subs. I felt horrible even though I waited a little over about 50hrs so I just switched back to MDone.

Sorry I didn't purposely hijack the Kratom /Bupe thread I thought this was the Bupe megathread. Also I would switch to kratom but I think that after getting down to such a low Suboxone dose that this would only complicate and hinder the recovery.

 

[boguslives]

when i first got clean i did a sub taper, it went like this: first day 8 mg subs and 2 mgs xanax, second day 6 mgs of sub, 3rd day 4 mgs of sub, 4th day 2 mgs of sub 5th day 1 mg of subs and i was FINE hardly any withdrawls at all the only thing i got was i would wake up covered in sweat but i slept fine and after the fith day i didnt take anything and i was all good and it would have stayed that way if i didnt start fucking with dope again.

keep in mind that was from 5-10 bags a day no methadone

 

[boguslives]

how long did you take the kratom for? also do you still take it?

 

[Subanthony]

i have been on Bupe for 5+ years with no help from my doctor to taper, so i went on my own and went from 8 mg twice a day , down to once a day, then 4mg a day for two weeks, then rotated 2mg one day then 1mg the next for two weeks, then down to .5 mg twice a day ,then the first day i was off Bupe i went to dosing with the Kratom, two teaspoons in the morning two at lunch and two in the afternoon and never had any bad withdrawal symptoms, well let me just say nothing near i had before trying the Kratom, i really was skeptical but wanted off the Bupe so bad that i would try anything, and i have to say that the Kratom is a near miracle !! I couldnt have got off the Bupe without it, i am on my second week with Kratom and it has worked wonders, will probably use it another couple of weeks then dose down on it, but anyone that thinks it doesnt work, i am here to tell you by my experience it saved me from Bupe addiction , with almost no withdrawals, at least none that are manageable while working 60 hours a week also!!! Reduced symptoms of Bupe withdrawal by 90%. Thank God for the Kratom !!

 

[boguslives]

So im off the bupe now kratom worked better than i could ever imagine i tapered over the course of a few months from 8 to .25, took .25 for about a week and a half then started taking kratom the day after I took my last dose (i would have taken your advice and waited but i had to work 14 hours) and its been 2 weeks i feel great, i had basically no withdrawl symtoms, a little anxiety but nothing physical. In my opinion kratom is a way better maintenance drug than suboxone because you get to do a drug that actually makes you feel good with minimal side effects, but it took me a long time to get to the place where I can do something like kratom and not go back to doing heroin I personally am all set with dope, i've lost way too many friends to start fucking with that shit again

 

[Mary05]

If you don't mind me asking, What kind of kratom did you use? I'm planning to taper off subs as well using kratom, but there are so man different kinds, I'm not sure which one actually works. I had a bad experience with trying it a few years ago, but don't remember the type of kratom I tried though.

Thanks!

 

[~QuirKyNai~]

I don't know if I'm allowed to say this but I think bluelight should have a site where we can share vendors and sources for a lot of the things we talk about...just saying

 

[Mary05]

I'm not asking for vendors or sources, just the kind of kratom. For example; was it Maeng Da? Golden left? Etc.

 

[Phoenix_rising]

bali is your best bet,although it's thought that Bali doesn't really exists and that it's actually red vein Borneo,but if you find Bali or red vein Borneo they are your best bet,you don't want a stimulating kratom like the the white vein varieties,keep to red vein,the white vein will just make you tweaked and avoid the maneg da,that's way too stimulating.

Kratom really works for coming off bupe,but you will undoubtably be swapping one addiction for another,in my experience though it's much better for you and much,much easier to come off,especially if you taper down. If you really want to get clean you will,but if you need to maintain then IME kratom is better and kinder,just get your dosing times right otherwise you will be up and down and experiencing withdrawals. I dose first thing in the morning,then mid afternoon and about 6pm,not after 6pm as it can still interfere with sleep,even the more sedate strains,doing it like this keeps me from feeling ill.