I have once attempted to eat morning glory straight up but I threw up too soon and had no effects. This time around I'm going sublingual with the powdered seeds (pre washed with water). My question is if I stick with it and don't swallow any seeds or saliva, will the pesticides and other crap that they coat them with get through the membranes aswell?
Sublingual Morning Glory
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Mugz
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Shifting to PD, if I am wrong PD mods then just send it back, I think it is more your area of expertise though.
When I try to visualize, it doesn't fit?! All those seeds?
Maybe if you make an extract, then I can see it.
Don't know if LSAs are absorbed that way but I would certainly think so.
A problem you would have is that the compounds have to be extracted from the plant material into the liquid it is suspended in, whether you do a CWE or let it sit in your stomach to do that. Doing that in your mouth may not be practical, maybe it requires more time than you could reasonably hold it in your mout for.
Maybe if you make an extract, then I can see it.
Don't know if LSAs are absorbed that way but I would certainly think so.
A problem you would have is that the compounds have to be extracted from the plant material into the liquid it is suspended in, whether you do a CWE or let it sit in your stomach to do that. Doing that in your mouth may not be practical, maybe it requires more time than you could reasonably hold it in your mout for.
PROZ4C
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The amount of MG's that are needed for a good trip, would be incredibly hard to hold in your mouth like that.
I have had amazing trips on 10-15g... which is 400+ seeds...
If you want to do sub-lingual you should really look into HBWR seeds, they have the same contents as MG's but you only need 6-10 of them to get the same effects because they are so much more potent.
I have had amazing trips on 10-15g... which is 400+ seeds...
If you want to do sub-lingual you should really look into HBWR seeds, they have the same contents as MG's but you only need 6-10 of them to get the same effects because they are so much more potent.
Good advice, HBWR seeds are more practical, but I also still think that extraction is worth looking into as well. It can be very modest, just get some HBWR seeds (Hawaiian Baby Woodrose) and absolutely smash them or grind them, little grains is okay but making powder is ideal. Then get it a little wet, best would be to more than saturate them with water. Let it stand for a while like maybe half a day? Then hold the pulp under your tongue.
It's optional to steep, let it dry and scrape a few times. You might wanna use more water for that and make it acidic even. I would think making a crude extract would make it easier to take it sublingually.
Oh and sorry your original question: it depends on the pesticide but I think yes, they would probably be absorbed. But definitely not all morning glory seeds are coated with stuff like that and if you get HBWR in the right place they aren't either. So you can find a way around that.
It's optional to steep, let it dry and scrape a few times. You might wanna use more water for that and make it acidic even. I would think making a crude extract would make it easier to take it sublingually.
Oh and sorry your original question: it depends on the pesticide but I think yes, they would probably be absorbed. But definitely not all morning glory seeds are coated with stuff like that and if you get HBWR in the right place they aren't either. So you can find a way around that.
Survived Abortion
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You're unlikely to have seeds coated in pesticides and other chemicals if you buy them from an ethnobotanical retailer. Even some of the large garden centres sell seeds without all the chemical treatments. I can pick them up from B&Q or Wilkinson, and I've never got poisoned in that way. I'd be wary of the major brand named seeds. You could probably get organic seeds grown especially free of pesticides etc. if you look hard enough.
IamMe90
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Whole Foods and local florists tend to sell untreated seeds - they both carried the same brand, I can't remember what it was but I looked them up and they were untreated.
Enter Galactic
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Definitely go for the untreated seeds, but don't forget that the seeds themselves are what makes you throw up. Some people can stomach them, some people can't. I throw up when swallowing the seed matter of untreated morning glories. A cold water extraction works great though, and only takes an hour or so. It's definitely worth it.
I have attempted the sub-lingual method with ground up morning glories mixed with a little water. I had two servings of the seed matter. Around 300 seeds total. Held 150 seeds in my mouth for 45 minutes each. It barely did anything. On the other hand I did a 500 seed cold water extraction, leaving the ground up seeds in the water for about an hour, and then drinking it slowly over an hour, and I tripped balls and had very little nausea. I wouldn't bother with the sub-lingual method.
I have attempted the sub-lingual method with ground up morning glories mixed with a little water. I had two servings of the seed matter. Around 300 seeds total. Held 150 seeds in my mouth for 45 minutes each. It barely did anything. On the other hand I did a 500 seed cold water extraction, leaving the ground up seeds in the water for about an hour, and then drinking it slowly over an hour, and I tripped balls and had very little nausea. I wouldn't bother with the sub-lingual method.
Potrick
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LSA question.
I know there is a huge thread for this somewhere but I can't find it.
Anyway. Can LSA be absorbed Sublingually? I took ~ 6.5g of Heavenly Blue MG seeds that were untreated and ground them up. I then strained the black seed hulls and other large seed material that didn't fall through my metal strainer. I put this into a teabag and stapled it shut. Can I put this under my tounge for say 15-20 minutes and have the LSA absorbed sublingually?
Other question: Is the vasoconstriction from LSA bearable, and will a vasodilator like Cannabis help ease the tension?
I know there is a huge thread for this somewhere but I can't find it.
Anyway. Can LSA be absorbed Sublingually? I took ~ 6.5g of Heavenly Blue MG seeds that were untreated and ground them up. I then strained the black seed hulls and other large seed material that didn't fall through my metal strainer. I put this into a teabag and stapled it shut. Can I put this under my tounge for say 15-20 minutes and have the LSA absorbed sublingually?
Other question: Is the vasoconstriction from LSA bearable, and will a vasodilator like Cannabis help ease the tension?
greenmeanies
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1. LSA can probably be absorbed sublingually, but the moisture in your mouth will make that teabag swell to pillow size in no time. i don't think it's a feasible route with MG seeds.
IMO since you already have the seed flour, simply mix with yogurt and eat.
2. Cannabis helps both the nauseating and vasoconstricting side effects of LSA. i would suggest NOT smoking before taking the seeds if this is your first MG experience. if the nausea becomes too much for you, simply purge and smoke afterwards to change directions.
IMO since you already have the seed flour, simply mix with yogurt and eat.
2. Cannabis helps both the nauseating and vasoconstricting side effects of LSA. i would suggest NOT smoking before taking the seeds if this is your first MG experience. if the nausea becomes too much for you, simply purge and smoke afterwards to change directions.
suckerbunnie
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Yes yes and yes. It can absolutely be ingested sublingually. Actually, I don't think would it work well with that amount of material. If you had used HBWR seeds that would have been better. LSAs can be taken sublingually and even transdermally. I once was doing an extraction on 150 HBWR seeds and at the final stage wasn't paying attention and ended up spilling 1/3 of it (50 seeds worth!) all over my hands and bare legs. So I thought 'what's the worst that could happen?' and proceeded to rub it thouroughly into my arms and legs. Big fucking mistake, as it very very quickly led me into the most HELLISH trip I have ever experienced, in every way imaginable. I most sincerely believed that I was going to die and I suppose that was a real possibility. The vasoconstriction combined with the absolute bloated feeling was a waking nightmare. But of course under moderate dosages this can be dealt with. Smoking weed is definitely a good idea as well as an ant-acid to keep the nausea under control.
If you can't find threads, please read the Beginners FAQ to understand more about that - hopefully you will do that as part of community participation. The questions are answered there how to navigate PD and BL in general.
Your question about sublingual administration has been asked before very recently. I will merge them together (combine threads into one).
Your question about sublingual administration has been asked before very recently. I will merge them together (combine threads into one).