Bupe Sub-water fermented? Salvageable?

[Mother_Superior]

So I posted a similar question in the advanced forum n got Sh!t on for using the acronym swim and potentially posting in the wrong forum so, I fixed the SWIM-B.S. and gave some further explanation as to why I posted there but I've had no luck in getting any more responses there so, I hope someone here can help.

I left my suboxone+water mixture in a closed glass mason jar for over a month at room tempature of about 75f instead of in the refrigerator like I should have. It seems as if it has separated a bit and perhaps, fermented or something as, there is a faint smell of alcohol. In it's current state it would seem unwise to ingest. Is there any way I can salvage the bupe by boiling it or something....anything. I don't want to toss out 250$ worth of suboxone unless I absolutely have to. Thank you ahead of time for any suggestions you might have.

 

[misspharmacyashley]

I don't know if you can salvage that.. but PERSONALLY, if you're planning on injecting it I wouldn't do so. Maybe you can drink it or something?

 

[amapola]

Even in the fridge this would not be a good idea. Why are you storing it in a solution anyways? To leave it that long you need some sort of preservative or an exceptionally initial sterile environment and air tight storage.

As for what you can do with it now, the issue is micro-organisms and toxins they may have produced. I'd boil for half an hour, reduce the solution, micron filter, basify, extract free base with nonpolar solvent, acidify, extract with ethanol, and dose sublingually.

 

[Mother_Superior]

Thanks, I'm definitely not trying to boot it. I've always kept it this way and stored it in the fridge and never had a problem. It usually lasts about a month til it's gone. I just use a syringe and drop the daily tapered amount under my tongue and it works fine.

I appreciate the help. Do you think you can spell that out for me a bit more in a step by step process? I know it's asking a lot but I'm in a tough spot here. Thanks again.

 

[amapola]

Thanks, I'm definitely not trying to boot it. I've always kept it this way and stored it in the fridge and never had a problem. It usually lasts about a month til it's gone. I just use a syringe and drop the daily tapered amount under my tongue and it works fine.

This might be slightly easier but you are risking bacterial contamination and perhaps degradation of your alkaloids in solution. Even a week's worth at a time would be a much better option though daily preparation from the solid salt would be best if feasible.

I appreciate the help. Do you think you can spell that out for me a bit more in a step by step process? I know it's asking a lot but I'm in a tough spot here. Thanks again.

I don't know the properties of bupe and it's salt well enough to spell out the Acid Base refinement steps unfortunately. Boiling it should kill or deactivate most pathogens and micron filtering will remove anything larger than the filter rating. These are probably the most efficient steps you can take. The heat would likely also destroy any exotoxins but they (along with endotoxins which escape during bacterial cell breakdown) would get through the filter so to be super safe the more complex steps could be taken.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I take it you did not use any preservatives?

 

[mcgrCONTIN]

I would say you could boil it off completely in like a glass dish or something,and then scrape up the remaining powder (which should be bupe and naloxone), and then dose out that powder slowly according to how well it alleviates your WD symtoms. Take the powder from your evaporation and just dose it sublingually, and that should be safe because boiling kills most pathogens and bacteria

Might I add that i think you should micron filter the entire solution before you perform the evaporation.

For next time, man, just keep the pills and use em sublingually. Thats how they work the best. What original form did you get this suboxone in, and im just curious to know why youve been using it in solution like that cause i've not once heard of someone doing that

By the way..suboxone really is an amazing substance when used as directed. Today, I had such burning pain/muscle soreness in my arms and legs that I LITERALLY was unable to raise myself out of bed without screaming. I had to crawl over to my box where i keep my "opiate withdrawal kit" and grab an 8mg sub, put it under my tongue, sit on the floor for like 7 minutes, and now I am perfect and am getting ready to go look for some more jobs. I LOVE SUBOXONE.

 

[Mother_Superior]

I'm on a pretty low mg and am real sensitive to minute changes in dosage so, it just seemed easier to taper using the water method. I didn't realize I needed to add any preservatives.

So, any idea of where I can locally find a micron filter and what size should I get? Big thanks guys.

 

[BrokedownPalace]

Check out the micron filtering mega thread, located in Captain.Heroin's signature above. You want a .22 micron filter which will filter out most bacterias. I don't know where to get them locally.. Some exchanges may be able to order them, or you can simply purchase them off the internet.

 

[Mother_Superior]

So, it seems like it will take a few days for a micron filter to arrive. If I just boil the shit out it, would I be seriously risking my health if I didn't filter it?

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

If you boil it, you'll need to do so for at least twenty minutes, and I'm not sure if that will destroy the buprenorphine or not (I'm thinking it will at least degrade some of it).

 

[phr]

Throw it out.

Sounds like you spent $250 on growing bacteria.

 

[Mother_Superior]

I suppose I should just cut my losses and toss it. Damn shame though. If I had the micron filter I might have given it a go considering, I'd be taking a small dose, and my immune system should kill off any remaining ass-cancers(scientific terminology) but it's not worth getting sick over. Thanks for all your help.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

You can definitely filter the solution to remove all bacteria, that would be one way of salvaging it.

In the future you should add 0.9% benzyl alcohol to the solution. You can get a vial of benzyl alcohol online from researchsupply.net​

 

[Cane2theLeft]

Since it sounds like you decided what you'd like to do and received all the advice you can, I'm going to close this.

Please PM me if you feel this should be reopened for any reason.



EDIT:

Reopened at OP's request

 

[Mother_Superior]

So, against my better judgement in a time of need I said screw the consequences. I did not have a micron filter and realize that a coffee filter does not do much if anything for ridding the bacteria but doing it made me feel better so after shaking it and running through a coffee filter I then proceeded to boil the sh!t out of it. I boiled for about 15minutes in a glass pot at medium-high temp(I can't remember the exact temp) until nearly all the water had vaporized. I then scraped the remaining sub-goo off the glass and mixed it with 10ml water but was unsure of how much benzyl Alc. to add and knew I wouldn't be preserving for long so I took it sublingualy as is and it worked like a charm. It actually tasted better and I don't think I lost too much potency. Surely not my best or safest option but desperate times called for stupid measures, lol! I also took some antibiotics for a few days just as a preventative measure and probably more to ease my mind. Anyway Thank you to all who chimed in with advise and/or criticism.

 

[mu-lover]

the human body is a remarkably resiliant machine. Honestly, your mucosal immunity Oral, rectal, sublingual immune system is very cabable of dealing with the bacterial load in some tepid water. I am glad it worked out for you. Personally, I'm still mucking around with methadone. My dose is pretty reasonable, such that a switch to bup would be pretty rational. Anyway, well played!