Stuff that 'stays with you'

[fractal fountain]

Has anyone had a particular experience where the effects seem to stay with you long after the trip has gone? You get the 'patterns' and the 'music' that's just like that one trip, but it won't be full blown but it'll be churning deep in your mind's eye, influencing your consciousness.

I had a really intense trip back in March and 10 months later I'm still getting a lot of effects from it, it's as if my mind was shattered and rebuilt to be more organized and developed, and it influences my thinking processes.

It's like a flashback but at the same time it's like HPPD. But it's not both at the same time, is it? These effects seem to stay with me a lot throughout the day, influencing my mental processes all the time.

The trip itself was incredible, 2 doses of 4-aco-dmt separated by a couple of hours, each dose being at least 25mg. I am almost certain that this was a ++++ experience, as it continues to stay with me as the primary trip in looking my life forward.

Has anyone else gotten a similar experience of stuff 'staying along' for so long? Or maybe it's just the effect of certain strong trips becoming deeply ingrained into your consciousness?

 

[greenmeanies]

i distinctly recall specific instances in which the following have happened:

1. precognition while sober about events that occur months later while tripping
2. precognition while tripping about events that occur months later while tripping
3. precognition while dreaming about events that occur months later while sober

these events are accompanied with the light-headed 'trip feeling' along with some strange repetitive audial and/or visual hallucination

this is in addition to numerous deja-vu type feelings that hit me during and after a good trip, and many of these are false alarms or HPPD.

so if you're getting false realizations, cut them out ... if they are good vibes, ride with them

 

[Legerity]

Yes I have had permanent changes as a result of certain experiences. Not visual or auditory, but more of a change in how I perceive myself and my relationship to the world. More intuition and emotional awareness, slightly less controlled by the intellect.

To me it that seems to be the whole point of psychedelics, to create changes that last beyond the trip. I suppose it's up to us to manage this process so that we end up re-building our psyche in a way that benefits us.

 

[fractal fountain]

I think it's hilarious that health textbooks say psychedelic drugs don't have lasting effects beyond the initial experience, what is 'learned' is forgotten once the trip ends. I guess one of many fun but stupid misconceptions.

Can't make an argument that it totally changes the way you think and at the same time say what you 'learn' is forgotten...

 

[Vader]

I am almost certain that this was a ++++ experience

That reminds me of inexperienced teenage girls who say "I'm pretty sure I came that time". You'll know when you're at a +4.

 

[vegan]

^^ agreed
nothing against the op, but these ++++ comments get annoying to read


if you're almost certain.... then it was not a ++++. period

 

[bornofemmure]

I think it's hilarious that health textbooks say psychedelic drugs don't have lasting effects beyond the initial experience

except for acid staying in your spine forever can make you start tripping at any time haha

 

[fractal fountain]

^^ agreed
nothing against the op, but these ++++ comments get annoying to read


if you're almost certain.... then it was not a ++++. period

Well to be fair, it was either a ++++ or a 3.5+

my point is that this trip is STILL staying with me after such a long time and I'm trying to figure out if I really want to go any further or if I'm just cool with staying at the levels I've gone to before.

It was also my first truly intense experience, nothing has matched it in intensity before or since. I get the feeling if I were to try to go off of this stuff at this dose again, it would be 'similar' but not as mind and earth-shattering as the original experience. It would be the same space, but not as magical as the 'first time' if you know what I mean.

I've been tripping around since 2008, first began on morning glories and hawaiian baby woodrose seeds.

And I notice these distinct mental patterns which flow through my head and match some of the stuff from that particular trip. The music for one.

Eh, I initially thought it was a ++++ experience, but revised that statement after reading about 3.5+ experiences.

Maybe I should try some syrian rue with some of the stuff I have... hmm...

 

[Gormur]

Eating a chunk out of a non-perforated sheet, i initially guesstimated i'd eaten about 10 hits, but it was really more like 15-16.. It changed my perspective forever.. and i've been trying to get back to that place ever since

 

[vegan]

Well to be fair, it was either a ++++ or a 3.5+

i promise that i'm not playing "i'm in the ++++ club and you're not"
neither trying to undervalue your experience

and i don't personnally refer to this scale either
especially since many people just use it to comment "wow! i was so high", which i find rather puerile

i said before that i don't like the shulgin scale... except for what it makes of a ++++ and the fact that it insists that it is independent from the other levels (for which i find the scale way too restrictive)


his point is that there is no correlation in how strong a trip is or how high you are and the fact that it may be a ++++

let's that the scale goes to 3 and that then you have an alien with no connection called ++++

of course you may experience a ++++ at the top of a very strong trip

but you may also experience one while washing you dishes completely sober

a women once told me that she had realized when giving birth that we all shared the same consciousness
i didn't ask more, but i may well have been a sober ++++


the thing as yerg said is that you won't have the slightest doubt because it won't just be an augmentation of the effects of a +++
a +++ can get as strong as you wish without being a ++++

there's a break (let's say a teleportation) between a +++ and a ++++, not a progression



nothing against you
i'm just annoyed at the scale which is incomplete and hard to interpret for people who haven't experienced its last stage.

 

[Legerity]

Yeah personally I don't really pay any attention to this scale. Each trip turns out however it turns out, I don't really feel the need to label it as anything. Although I can see the practicality of trying to communicate an experience that can't full be expressed in words using a number rating. But the psychedelic experience certainly existed before Shulgin

 

[fractal fountain]

It's all subjective really. But I take this particular trip as the 'farthest' I've ever gone. Let's just put it out as the 'farthest' point you go.

A lot of the time even though I'm not directly tripping I still 'feel' at a +1. Patterns going through your mind and all you can do is lay back and just spread your arms out embracing the extremity.

 

[webbykevin]

is it a +4 when you spend 2 hours in a fractal vortex discussing life with the telepathic voice of the mushroom ?

 

[Tunnelfission]

On LSD and pressed caps (most certainly full on meth amphetamine) I had an out of body experience at a favorite beach side spot of mine. recalling my perspective to be that of the inside of everything that "I" could perceive. So throughout my whole radius and sight from inside my human eyes I felt I also was... so I was for miles...what I perceived, I was my 3 friends around me I was the rocks I was the water in front of me... I was the sand that the human "I" was digging into with an odd intensity as I stared in catatonia and intoxication, rolling like a fiend on meth and MDMA and high as the hatter on LSD.

Ever since that trip I've held a greater fondness even beyond the level of insight and introspection and entertainment, or even visionary purposes. I gained "oneness" with all I realized that all grand perception is the same... that the FACT that all life perceives...that the PERCEPTION is what is the web of connectedness is.

Awareness is inherent in all life and what the identity is...is simply awareness, all things are aware or they feel or they have their "trip" their hormonal fluxes and feelings perceptions. And all feeling is connected...it's what empathy is... I empathized for the area I was in and I became it.

Your boundaries your limits what your "self" is, is only limited to what you LOVE, lovers becoming one in mind, shared trips, shared hallucinations, you decrease and while in states of high meditation orders or during psychedelic experiences you can literally perceive other beings as if you are them.

This perspective has stayed from within "This one" which is what "this one" calls..."me" now, or "I" which is a term I like to avoid, because "this one" has seen through the eyes of god, or the intent of creation, or the web of connectedness through all being.

If I am everything, then mustn't I be god? or since god is all that is love would god have access to and from within me as my soul or spiritual intent and process, does fate exist? and is it all moving in a certain progressive way. Or are we all creators? Free and chaotic able to change the winds of it all with merely the thought and action of doing so?

PARADOXICALLY, as acid always puts it, it is BOTH ways *goes over the deep end with hilarity*

I would consider it one of my 6 or less +4 experiences with psychedelic substances, out of my overall trip frequency of over 150 times in a lifetime on mainly mushrooms and LSD, some mescaline, some 4-substituted tryptamines and a whole whack of MDMA which when in combination with mushrooms once produced another +4 albeit a bit less overwhelming being my second one.

Being with people and sharing mindsets and getting into each other, dissolving boundaries seems to elicit this higher order of states, you become the space in between the two beings and that space perceives all that is from within that space.

Don't even get me STARTED about the perception of time and joke/hilarity loops... my GOD unforgettable indeed

Despite the intensity this was a VERY lighthearted good spirited fun and hilarious trip with friends. thanks for reading!

 

[not a doctor steve]

I dosed some acid once and drove 30 miles into Pittsburgh for a rave. It was crazy. 10pm traffic in the lightly falling snow. Oh, good memories. During the drive, cars were disappearing and reappearing a few yards ahead of or behind where they just were. And construction cones...Oh man haha. It felt like I was looking at the same scenery the hole time, but the scenery rearranged itself as I pressed on.

That was about a year ago, and when I drive at night, half the time I have what I call a flashback(idk if it is or not) and that sensation returns. I can't tell exactly where the car next to me is, I just know there's a 20 foot section of road with a car somewhere in it that I should avoid lol.

Also, I went to a party and was chilling balls in the basement (read: tripping face) and my fear really got to me. Actually, I was remembering a vivid thought from a previous Ketamine trip. The single idea was bouncing back and forth in my brain and I was getting really withdrawn, excited, and almost spiteful for some reason. This was happening around the time of my peak. I didn't know many people there so I just chilled and tried to let it pass. It only passed because everyone who was partying upstairs immediately came downstairs and said
"we don't know what it is, but you have to knock it off"

....leaving me thinking "hey..this shit's real"

Sorry for going a little off topic, but it's a good story, I think lol. But all of these memories do pop into my head, plus numerous others, during my day. At least a few times a week and I certainly pay attention to what's happening when they come around.

 

[vegan]

is it a +4 when you spend 2 hours in a fractal vortex discussing life with the telepathic voice of the mushroom ?

if you're not certain, then it's not

like said, if it is, you know it
and it's not necessarily related to how weird or strong the experience was

to use a similar experience to your example, talking to the "spirit" of salvia who was asking me not to leave her world because she said it was the place i actually came from and should stay in, etc.... was not a ++++ at all

yet it was... well... a salvia breakthrough

 

[BodyHereMindGone]

^^ Im confused, u stated entity contact was what moved a "+++" to a "++++".. teleported i believe u said..

sounds like your saying most salvia "break throughs" r straight up A++++'s?

sorry for the confusion.. was just curious to see if u were contradicting yourself...

 

[fractal fountain]

Guys, guys, let's move away from the '+++ or ++++' debate and focus on the topic at hand, eh? That is, patterns of thinking and hearing and everything that stays with you after a particularly STRONG trip.

 

[Jblazingphoenix100]

When i look at woodgrains/patterns/the ceiling plastering etc - they appear to be moving ever so slightly.

I don't remember this happening before I took my first dose, BUT it could just be my mind wanting to see this.

 

[BodyHereMindGone]

When i look at woodgrains/patterns/the ceiling plastering etc - they appear to be moving ever so slightly.

I don't remember this happening before I took my first dose, BUT it could just be my mind wanting to see this.

i have a similar thing with my air duct... if i look at it in a certain way, it starts to turn into a vortex...

This mainly happens when im remembering a trip in which the air duct became a vortex...

i believe its just my mind trying to help me remember aspects of that particular trip as it was fairly intense and alot of it i dont rememeber...