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Funny... What would you rather I say that black people are just destined to be forever held down by the white man?
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Funny... What would you rather I say that black people are just destined to be forever held down by the white man?
The point he was making was that it may not be necessarily a black and white thing, but it's just a fact that minorities tend to be poorer and the "ghetto" in any city is certain to contain mostly blacks and other minorities, so this is what is making it more difficult for these people to achieve.
You can't possibly think that it doesn't leave you at a disadvantage to grow up in an environment that shows you it's acceptable to deal drugs, be violent, etc? Think levels of achievement in life in terms of 10 levels. If you're white, you're more likely to start out at a higher level than a black person. Like you would start at step 3-4 when the black person is starting at level 1-2. They have to overcome their environment to be successful in life when it's far less likely that a white person would have to do that same thing since their environment is more likely to be more nurturing and push them towards better goals.
If you can't see this, you are without a doubt a truly ignorant person.
You can't possibly think that it doesn't leave you at a disadvantage to grow up in an environment that shows you it's acceptable to deal drugs, be violent, etc? Think levels of achievement in life in terms of 10 levels. If you're white, you're more likely to start out at a higher level than a black person. Like you would start at step 3-4 when the black person is starting at level 1-2. They have to overcome their environment to be successful in life when it's far less likely that a white person would have to do that same thing since their environment is more likely to be more nurturing and push them towards better goals.
If you can't see this, you are without a doubt a truly ignorant person.
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Yes, its proven that blacks are at an disadvantage compared to whites. Well any minority is at a disadvantage compared to a white man. I took sociology and we had this whole talk already and everything I said and what the others have said are completely true. Its not as if we are making this up. Why would we even want to?
Even children in philly end up resorting to crime because they cannot do anything else. A lot of the schools barely get any money from the state because the school has bad test scores and because of the no child left behind act those kids will always be stuck in that cycle... Know why? Because they live in a poor area. Kids had to bring in their own toilet paper when going to school because of the lack of tax money. And those kids don't get the education they need because when they get home they don't have a computer but instead their parents are out late busting their ass to support the family. When the kid is stuck caring for the younger siblings... Then because of that the kid is trapped into the never ending cycle. This scenario is very true. Some kids then work minimum wage jobs but then some resort to crimes/violence. They're doing what they can to survive...some choices better than others but when you have nothing you do what you gotta do.
And the thing is it is mainly based around education and a proper home environment.
Even children in philly end up resorting to crime because they cannot do anything else. A lot of the schools barely get any money from the state because the school has bad test scores and because of the no child left behind act those kids will always be stuck in that cycle... Know why? Because they live in a poor area. Kids had to bring in their own toilet paper when going to school because of the lack of tax money. And those kids don't get the education they need because when they get home they don't have a computer but instead their parents are out late busting their ass to support the family. When the kid is stuck caring for the younger siblings... Then because of that the kid is trapped into the never ending cycle. This scenario is very true. Some kids then work minimum wage jobs but then some resort to crimes/violence. They're doing what they can to survive...some choices better than others but when you have nothing you do what you gotta do.
And the thing is it is mainly based around education and a proper home environment.
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No of course not, but what they choose to do is still up to them. No one is putting a gun in anyone's hand and forcing them to commit violent crimes.
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Are you serious? Are you trying to use Native Americans as an example of a race that has bounced back from oppression? I don't know if that's the best defense. Have you ever been to a reservation? If not, here are some facts.
According to Stephanie Schwartz:
-The unemployment rate [for Native Americans] is between 83 and 85%
-As of 2006, 97% of the [Native American] population lives below the federal poverty level.
-Some figures state that the life expectancy on the Reservation is 48 years old for men and 52 for women. Other reports state that the average life expectancy on the Reservation is 45 years old. These statistics are far from the 77.5 years of age life expectancy average found in the United States as a whole. According to current USDA Rural Development documents, the Lakota have the lowest life expectancy of any group in America.
-Teenage suicide rates are roughly 150% higher than they are for the rest of the country
-The infant mortality rate is the highest on this continent and is about 300% higher than the U.S. national average.
-More than half the Reservation’s adults battle addiction and disease. Alcoholism, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and malnutrition are pervasive.
-The rate of diabetes on the Reservation is reported to be 800%higher than the U.S. national average.
-Recent reports indicate that almost 50% of the adults on the Reservation over the age of 40 have diabetes.
-As a result of the high rate of diabetes on the Reservation, diabetic-related blindness, amputations, and kidney failure are common.
-Cervical cancer is 500% higher than the U.S. national average.
-The school drop-out rate is a staggering 70%.
-Teacher turnover [on reservations] is 800% that of the U.S. national average.According to a 2003 report from South Dakota State University, the majority of the current Tribal Housing Authority homes were built from 1970-1979. The report brings to light that a great percentage of that original construction by the BIA was “shoddy and substandard.” The report also states that 26% of the housing units on the Reservation are mobile homes, often purchased or obtained (through donations) as used, low-value units with negative-value equity.
-There is an estimated average of 17 people living in each family home (a home which may only have two to three rooms). Some larger homes, built for 6 to 8 people, have up to 30 people living in them.
-Over-all, 59% of the Reservation homes are substandard.
-Over 33% of the Reservation homes lack basic water and sewage systems as well as electricity.
-As reported above, at least 60% are infected with the potentially-fatal Black Mold, Stachybotrys and as such theses homes need to be burned to the ground and replaced with new housing due to the infestation. There is no insurance or government program to assist families in replacing their homes.
-60% of Reservation families have no land-line telephone. The Tribe has recently issued basic cell phones to the residents. However, these cell phones (commonly called commodity phones) do not operate off the Reservation at all and are often inoperable in the rural areas on the Reservation or during storms or wind.Computers and internet connections are very rare.
-Federal and tribal heat assistance programs (such as LLEAP) are limited by their funding. In the winter of 2005-2006, the average one-time only payment to a family was said to be approximately $250-$300 to cover the entire winter. For many, that amount did not even fill their propane heating tanks one time.
-Alcoholism affects 8 out of 10 families on the Reservation.
-The death rate from alcohol-related problems on the Reservation is 300% higher than the remaining US population.
-The Oglala Lakota Nation has prohibited the sale and possession of alcohol on the Pine Ridge Reservation since the early 1970’s. However, the town of Whiteclay, Nebraska (which sits 400 yards off the Reservation border in a contested “buffer” zone) has approximately 14 residents and four liquor stores which sell over 4,100,000 cans of beer each year resulting in a $3,000,000 annual trade. Unlike other Nebraska communities, Whiteclay exists only to sell liquor and make money. It has no schools, no churches, no civic organizations, no parks, no benches, no public bathrooms, no fire service and no law enforcement. Tribal officials have repeatedly pleaded with the State of Nebraska to close these liquor stores or enforce the State laws regulating liquor stores but have been consistently refused.
-Many wells and much of the water and land on the Reservation is contaminated with pesticides and other poisons from farming, mining, open dumps, and commercial and governmental mining operations outside the Reservation. A further source of contamination is buried ordnance and hazardous materials from closed U.S. military bombing ranges on the Reservation.
(2006)
Reference:
Schwartz, S. M. (2006, October 7). The Arrogance of Ignorance;. Retrieved May 16, 2011, from
http://silvrdrach.homestead.com/schwartz_2006_oct_15.html
As far as the argument that "That was 50 years ago," do you understand that 50 years is not a long time ago? In fact, it is recent enough that a teenager being raised by a grandparent b/c of absent biological parents is being raised by a victim of said oppression. That means that when that grandparent was working age, (s)he was actively denied opportunities for education, income, or skills training neccessary to accumulate the same wealth as a white person.
How could you expect that grandparent to have the means or education needed to financially support several kids or grandkids or to even help them with their homework in a meaningful enough way to give that child/g'child access to a HS diploma or the scholarships of which you speak?
I'm not arguing that murder is justifiable and that these disadvantages give anyone the right to hurt someone else. I just want to demonstrate in a factual way that whites have always had, and still do have, economic and social advantages over other races.
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Real talk BrixnStax. These dumb ass mutha fuckas will never get the picture. I could go on all day about this shit, i really could, but man I just get so damn sick of wastin my breath on these fool ass people who couldnt "get" it if that shit was hittin them over the head with a fuckin shovel. its so damn easy to talk like that when you got shit made. And when folks get OUT, and you use them as the example for "thats why its equal" you obviosly aint recognizing that they are the EXCEPTION. They didnt make that shit BECUZ they had great chances, they made it IN SPITE of their situation, and in EVERY case of the "made it out the hood" stories you hear, theres always someone or somethin that WASNT typical ghetto shit, that made it possible. Whether it was they got inspired by one good teacher who really fuckin cared and helped em after school, or that their moms stayed home every single night to help with their homework, or they had some type mentor or somethin to give them a vision of a way out....you dont just spontaneously break outta that shit when you got the standard ghetto set of opportunities. It takes somethin more to give you a reason to believe you CAN do shit, and someone to guide you, believe in you, give you a fuckin helping hand to reach down you you in the pit and pull you out.
And not everybody GOT a good teacher, a parent who can be there for them, a relative or older friend or who the fuck ever, who will be there to do that for them. Most kids mom or pops cuz they be lucky to have both, either works and bust their ass at 2 or 3 jobs to make fuckin ends meet enough to have meat once a week with the rice and never around, or dont work and collects on the welfare and dont get shit-all from it but its better than nothin. And let me tell you one mutha fuckin thing about welfare--It AINT enough to live on, but if you try to get a job to earn more, they take it away. And the amount you would earn from workin, STILL aint enough to support you and your kids asses so you might as well stay the fuk at home and get a check than work and leave your kids alone and still be makin the same check. Plus they take away your foodstamps, medicaid, etc if you earn over a certain amount, and that amount STILL aint enough to get enough food to live on or medical care. but Im goin off, and my point is that the majority of kids in the hood, black OR the fuck ever, aint GOT that person, that one opportunity, that will lead them on the path to gettin out.
Name all these people you supposedly know who got out, who did it, who are in excellent positions and livin the good life. Now tell me the story of every single one of them and Ill show you where they had some mutha fuckin HELP.
A kid left alone to his own shit in the hood, with no folks at home to watch him, just sittin in his house in the PJ's watchin TV afterschool, who aint got shit, who sees his moms strugglin so hard to not even get by, and sees all the dboys outside gettin money....And then hes 10, 11 yrs old and they be like yo lil man, you wanna make some dough? bring this up to that car over there on the corner...and then everyday after school hes makin 50 bucks a day to run dope up to the cars waitin at the spot, and soon he like yo fuck that shit, i can make that much money for a few hours between school and moms gets home, If i dont even GO to school i can make MUCH more....And so that shit starts....And without nobody to be like yo, look the other way, turn to another direction and see yourself goin THAT way instead of THIS way, he gonna keep fuckin GOIN the wrong way. All these successful black folks you know who "made it" I guarantee you they didnt do that shit by their lonesome.
damn it yo, I just came on here to cosign BxnSx but I got on some sidetracked shit, but for real this mutha fucka is dumb as a plank. dude needs some reality beat into his head cuz looks like words aint doin it. SMDH at all these white folks who think they know the fuckin deal and talk so easy from their nice position about how anybody can do wat they did. "*I* made it to college withot joinin a gang or sellin dope, why cant THEY!" And honestly cant understand that shit.
Man, your ignorance is so enormous that if it was in space fuckin planets would be drawn to its mass and start orbiting around it.
And not everybody GOT a good teacher, a parent who can be there for them, a relative or older friend or who the fuck ever, who will be there to do that for them. Most kids mom or pops cuz they be lucky to have both, either works and bust their ass at 2 or 3 jobs to make fuckin ends meet enough to have meat once a week with the rice and never around, or dont work and collects on the welfare and dont get shit-all from it but its better than nothin. And let me tell you one mutha fuckin thing about welfare--It AINT enough to live on, but if you try to get a job to earn more, they take it away. And the amount you would earn from workin, STILL aint enough to support you and your kids asses so you might as well stay the fuk at home and get a check than work and leave your kids alone and still be makin the same check. Plus they take away your foodstamps, medicaid, etc if you earn over a certain amount, and that amount STILL aint enough to get enough food to live on or medical care. but Im goin off, and my point is that the majority of kids in the hood, black OR the fuck ever, aint GOT that person, that one opportunity, that will lead them on the path to gettin out.
Name all these people you supposedly know who got out, who did it, who are in excellent positions and livin the good life. Now tell me the story of every single one of them and Ill show you where they had some mutha fuckin HELP.
A kid left alone to his own shit in the hood, with no folks at home to watch him, just sittin in his house in the PJ's watchin TV afterschool, who aint got shit, who sees his moms strugglin so hard to not even get by, and sees all the dboys outside gettin money....And then hes 10, 11 yrs old and they be like yo lil man, you wanna make some dough? bring this up to that car over there on the corner...and then everyday after school hes makin 50 bucks a day to run dope up to the cars waitin at the spot, and soon he like yo fuck that shit, i can make that much money for a few hours between school and moms gets home, If i dont even GO to school i can make MUCH more....And so that shit starts....And without nobody to be like yo, look the other way, turn to another direction and see yourself goin THAT way instead of THIS way, he gonna keep fuckin GOIN the wrong way. All these successful black folks you know who "made it" I guarantee you they didnt do that shit by their lonesome.
damn it yo, I just came on here to cosign BxnSx but I got on some sidetracked shit, but for real this mutha fucka is dumb as a plank. dude needs some reality beat into his head cuz looks like words aint doin it. SMDH at all these white folks who think they know the fuckin deal and talk so easy from their nice position about how anybody can do wat they did. "*I* made it to college withot joinin a gang or sellin dope, why cant THEY!" And honestly cant understand that shit.
Man, your ignorance is so enormous that if it was in space fuckin planets would be drawn to its mass and start orbiting around it.
Bricks & Stacks
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I don't have to know you, I can read ya ass like a mufuckin book cuz poor people got compassion for other poor people cuz they know how that shit is.
I'd rather you stop sayin "so how are they at a less advantage then us?" like a fuckin oblivious fuckin idiot when I think like 3 or 4 of us made that shit clear and you just keep actin like ain't nobody makin valid points.
Do you just spit this shit out like not knowin shit bout it? Yo I know for a fact there's mad scholarships and shit for white females, maybe not for white males, but white females and that's cause they a minority.
Have you ever heard of "white flight" when black people was tryna be "equal" with whites and moved into their neighborhoods in the 60's and after, and white people peeled to the suburbs as fast as they could get their shit in the whip? It's hard to be equal when the people around you don't see you as equal. Again you could say the same thing with white women, they want to be equal, but ain't no white broad gettin' treated equally to white males in most situations if a white male is the one makin the decisions.
So, what city do you live in? I ain't even tryna be a dick I just want to know what city all the homeless people are white and shit.
Haha good points yo I was thinkin that same shit like wtf does he mean Native American's are equal and happy with how shit went, this mufucker couldn't be anymore naive to the way the world really is. I can't wait to see what dude has to say about that, since in his area native american's are doin just great.
Ya whole post was on point and I can tell me and you be seein a lot of shit the same way but I was smashin some OE readin thru ya post and I just took a drink when I read that last line almost spit that shit all over the screen haha that shit had me dyin.
But yeah shes right about people makin it out bein the exception and you tryna act like it's the standard. I went to a high school with social promotion and all that shit, where the lowest grade you could get was a 50 even if you didn't turn shit in the whole year there were no 0's and shit. Our teachers didn't give a fuck what we did with our lives as long as we didn't fuck up their day. How the fuck is that equal to kids in nice schools where you actually have to do work to get to the next grade, and they help you to get into college and fill out your financial aid and all that shit. The only mufuckers comin to my school with "opportunities" was fuckin Army recruiters swarmin around that bitch like flies on a body
True, I'm bout to fall back on these long ass posts myself cuz you right ain't no changin this mufuckas mind.
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Are you fucking kidding me? How fucking stupid are you? You have just proven to me that you refuse to understand the reality that exists outside of your little bubble. Man... people like you give white dudes a bad name. So, if you could please, just learn to STFU, and admit you know NOTHING about what you're talking about. Though I don't think you're going to be able to save any face with anyone in this thread, you fucking ignorant troll. I've got no respect for deaf, dumb and blind mother fuckers like you...
Apostacious
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QFMFT. Also, the last sentence had me fucking splitting my sides laughing my ass off... it's so true. :D
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Wouldn't have happened if he'd had a Windows laptop.
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Show me exactly where I said they are happy with "how shit went". All I said was despite that some have gone on to be successful without having to resort to crime to make a living.
I must have been really rough getting a grade without doing any work. You think teachers in college really care whether you do the work or flunk out?
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I have plenty of compassion for poor people, just not the ones murdering people for their belongings or in botched carjackings. 8)
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You fuckin serious yo? Obviously you ain't say it just like that cuz me and you is from 2 diff worlds and talk diff, but the only reason you don't hear about native american's robbin and killin is cuz there ain't a lot of 'em left. I seen some shit on gangland about some native american gang and they was bangin just like black gangs, robbin, shootin, dealin and all that. If cities like Baltimore were 60-70% native american I'm sure you'd hear a lot more about them commiting crime, instead most of them are forced on reservations and "out of sight out of mind" me and you don't hear about it cuz it ain't got shit to do with us. I can't remember last time I seen a Native American in Pittsburgh, which is the exact reason I never hear about em doin no fuckin crimes.
I mean, half them reservations they can't even have alcohol on, obviously they some crazy wild mufuckers if they can't even be trusted to drink.
You're fuckin ignorant, the whole point I was makin was how instead of helping you to be a better person they just let you fuck up, and reward you for doin it.
What fuckin city are you from? I keep askin and you keep answerin everything but that, I want to know where fuckin Neverneverland is where whites and blacks got the same opportunities and all the homeless people are white.
Fuck outta here, now you gon act like you ain't a racist you just don't like killers and robbers. So what you think about white people that rob and kill people? They had all the same chances you did, the fucks wrong with them?
Shit like that. I mean what the fuck. You don't see the good things black people do, cause they don't put that shit in the paper. Man I got so many stories about somebody who happened to be black savin my ass or helpin me out or tryin to get me to act right, but you don't hear about that shit cause no body gives a fuck about anything but the bad shit.
And when you said "I ain't surprised at the location" Are you familiar with The Rocks? I know your ass ain't from Pittsburgh cause I don't hardly ever see no fuckin homeless white people, and this is prob one of the most segregated and racist cities in the north east so damn sure ain't no "equal opportunities between whites and blacks"
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for all we know a chinese guy shot that art student, because these guys are innocent until proven guilty. the article says the evidence consists of a pointed finger and something about a phone call. something about the alleged nature of a phone conversation as if it has been proven.
and two mean looking mug-shots. one of a minor?
and two mean looking mug-shots. one of a minor?
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Believe what you want but I'm not going to reveal my location on here beings it's a site about something that's illegal, sorry.
I never said that I was racist, I said that it's hard not to be when you keep seeing news articles like the original post. If I WAS racist I would say that blacks are just destined to never be equal or make it as good as white people. THAT'S racist. But despite what everyone else seems think on here I don't believe that has to be the case. What do I think about whites who commit violent crimes? I think it's perfectly fine since they're white... Give me a fuckin break.
Like I said, there are black dudes who I'm cool with because they don't judge me and respect me so in turn I show the same respect. I've also known black dudes who were nothing but pricks and hated white people. I just call it like I see it. But if you think I'm going to treat someone who is a good person any differently than anyone else because of the color of their skin you're sadly mistaken.
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Many Blacks in the US (and elsewhere) are clearly at a major socioeconomic disadvantage.
However, I wonder if some people are confusing "Black" and "poor" in this thread.
Dirt-poor Whites are at similar levels (though the specifics may differ) of disadvantage to slightly wealthier Blacks (say, the middle of the bottom socioeconomic class).
Basically, one's skin color can cause X amount of bias and disadvantage.
One's economic status can cause Y amount.
Other factors also exist.
Dirt-poor Whites have it bad.
Dirt-poor Blacks have it worse.
Dirt-poor Black women have it even worse.
Alter-abled, lesbian socialist dirt-poor older Black women have it the worst of just about anyone.
Each factor that differs from that of rich, healthy, young, Republican White males adds up, sadly...
This is not so much of a contest, I think, as much as a reminder that many, many people are disadvantaged in the world today.
The question of how much we should allow one's background to "excuse" one's behavior is an interesting one, and related to the question of whether / how much we should allow someone on drugs to say "it wasn't me - it was the drugs!".
If people want to discuss such questions here, I think it is valuable.
However, convincing someone that Blacks are disadvantaged seems a little ridiculous, to me, since there are mountains of solid evidence saying that this is the case. Anyone who doesn't listen clearly has their own agenda.
I am a university professor, teaching classes since 1999.
And yes, I care deeply about my students, and whether they do the work or not.
And yes, just about every other professor I have known also cares about whether the students do the work or not.
However, I wonder if some people are confusing "Black" and "poor" in this thread.
Dirt-poor Whites are at similar levels (though the specifics may differ) of disadvantage to slightly wealthier Blacks (say, the middle of the bottom socioeconomic class).
Basically, one's skin color can cause X amount of bias and disadvantage.
One's economic status can cause Y amount.
Other factors also exist.
Dirt-poor Whites have it bad.
Dirt-poor Blacks have it worse.
Dirt-poor Black women have it even worse.
Alter-abled, lesbian socialist dirt-poor older Black women have it the worst of just about anyone.
Each factor that differs from that of rich, healthy, young, Republican White males adds up, sadly...
This is not so much of a contest, I think, as much as a reminder that many, many people are disadvantaged in the world today.
The question of how much we should allow one's background to "excuse" one's behavior is an interesting one, and related to the question of whether / how much we should allow someone on drugs to say "it wasn't me - it was the drugs!".
If people want to discuss such questions here, I think it is valuable.
However, convincing someone that Blacks are disadvantaged seems a little ridiculous, to me, since there are mountains of solid evidence saying that this is the case. Anyone who doesn't listen clearly has their own agenda.
I am a university professor, teaching classes since 1999.
And yes, I care deeply about my students, and whether they do the work or not.
And yes, just about every other professor I have known also cares about whether the students do the work or not.
slimvictor
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We are all on the same page, I think.
slimvictor
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I hear people talking like that sometimes.
It shows that they are at the lowest level of compassion - unable to open up their hearts to anyone else (though I suspect that, if they themselves do something wrong, they will expect those in power to bend the rules for them).
I feel really sorry for people who talk like that.
I believe that they must feel very, very alone in life, and that their suffering must be enormous.
Those of us who stand with all, including the poor, the oppressed, and those of all skin colors, may have an uphill fight, but we have lots of brothers and sisters to help us!
LMFAO
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The iPad is prob already sold to somebody else.
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