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Stuck in Suboxone Hell, need a gameplan that works.

Nice work SC!! The lope is an opiate so you're already hooked so I would not worry about that and your just going to have to taper off it.

Keep fighting. Hey you nine hours of sleep thats great.

Five days is a huge chunk:)
 
Thanks Neversick! Thought I was rollin' solo (which is fine too.....cant wait to be able to look back at my timeline from hell to freedom, and if one person is motivated and ultimately kicks their habbit, well woth it!), great to have some feedback.

That actually puts my mind at ease a bit...however i think i just need to stop reading nightmare stories of the high dose lope....I have no intentions on getting up to the 60mg+ as from what I can gather, thats where the issues kick in for people.

My biggest concern or question at this point is when should I commence a taper? Should I shoot for day 14 without oxy/sub or start before that? With the lope taper, should I be level before dropping or try and reduce on a daily basis? Thats really the one piece that is left out from all the "lope is a miracle" threads I have come accross. Also, im only using the lope to HELP with syptoms of wd, not eliminate, and being cautious of the half life, so as not to make the same mistake i did with Subs.

How far to people taper with lope and what mg do most jump from? Any experiences from different jumping points?


SC
 
Personally I would wait till day 20 to start tapering the lope. For me sub withdrawal starts dissipating at day 17-18 and I would want to be done with that completely before I started down off the lope. I would also taper very slowly off the lope to try and cushion the impact of PAWS. But he'll yeah your kicking ass man! I wish I had planned and executed my sub withdrawal as well as you have.
 
@Neversick....that works for me, thank you....the more the merrier, any and all advice, experiences, comments warnings, questions....more than welcome! Makes sense on the timeline as far as when to begin the taper...

To be on the safe side...maybe pad the 14 days a bit to hit 20, but would the extra 6 days create an unecessary increase of lupe dependence? I can see how this decision will be a challange, especially with the WD syptoms most likely mirroring the sub wd's. Thanks Crimson! I have tried this, what feels like a million times (probably 10-20 in reality) and always said the same thing immediate after getting high, "need a plan and to stick to it, period, dont think, you dont think right" lol.....we shall see....got a wayyyys to go still.

Feel like dog shit...lol....smoked a bowl and had an instant panic attack. Gonna chill and try and watch Season 1 of Friday Night Lights, read the book and saw the movie....heard good things.

Still trying to wait til A.M. for next lope....we shall see. Is this a huge deal? Feel like its important to remember the pain to a degree....but also dont wanna get too too shitty feeling.

SC
 
Ok, so last night I was shooting to make it to this morning before taking more lope, BUT....woke up at 1:12am with RLS and a little of that "wanna jump out of my skin...wave your arms and legs around like a 4 year old in a temper tantrum" feeling. At first I was kinda bummed out...but then I realized that was my ONLY symptom AND I had managed to fall asleep with nothing except a few tokes(granted i was probably only alseep for an hour, but still a big improvement)...litterally like 2 hits. No melatonin, no advil pm, nothing.....I see this as being HUGE. So I decided I would try and reduce the lope from the previous day and took 15, 2mg pills, which is 6 mgs less that I took the previous day. I threw on Friday Night Lights (on disc 3 already, pretty damn good show) and next thing you know I woke up at 9:30am......AWESOME!

Felt a slight bit lethargic and arms were a bit heavy.....but nothing like the first night I took lope. Just came back from dropping off my girl at work and sitting on the couch feeling GREAT! I can honestly say this is the absolute best I have felt physically and mentally in a long, long time. Very happy I was able to cut the lope dose and still feel great.

I do feel just the SLIGHTEST bit "foggy"...almost like that feeling you get if you fall asleep right after smoking weed and wake up a cpl hours later, not stoned but just a bit cloudy/foggy....then it slowly subsides...i feel like the cloud is slowly fading away.

So this is DAY 6...and the next 5 days will afford me zero room for error at work and I need to ensure I present as close to 100% as humanly possible. Planning on staying very very hydrated today, gatorade, water, etc....still taking miralax and ducalex and seems to be doing its job. Another thing I noticed....im effin' hungry at 12pm, without smoking bud.....THIS does not happen...not quite sure how this is possible but ill take it as a good sign.

I guess my plan from here will be to take 26mgs of lope around 10pm. Cant risk feeling like ass in the morning....also dont want to over do the lope because of its half life....any suggestions on dosage given the above info?

Off to bring my better half some coffee.....she is a part-time auctionaire and today is their annual livestock auction....usually around 50 degrees but its only 35 today and they have it outside...poor girl!

Until later......

SC
 
Keep your eye and your thoughts on the prize. You will be able to deal with anything that comes.

Keep it simple. Consider breaking everything you have to get done into very small easily done tasks. Then just knock those tasks out.

This technique can really help us not get all anxious and stressed out.

Your doing great!!:)
 
Kicking off day 7....dont have time to write really....dropped my lope to 28mgs last night....so far so good....will continue to drop by 2mg per day (unless that is highly reccomended against!) Until I am at 0, which,would coincidentally be day 18....

Stomach cramps are a bit worse today....hopefully this coffee worksbits magic!

Good sleep again last night...just not enough of it (4 hrs) due to being up late doing work for today...

Until later...

SC
 
One more thing.....My body temp controls are all messed up today.....warm this morning inside the house (comparatively speaking) but im all goosebumps....not horrible and hoping shower helps a bit!
 
Loooooong day at work but very productive. Started feeling like shit around 2pm but was able to put it out of my mind and got through the day and then a lovely hour and a half commute home.

I feel like I may be getting sick, like a cold or something, but I supose it could just be partbof the detox process.

Plan on continuing my taper off the lope with tonights dose...dropping to 26mgs from last nights 28mg. Had no issues with sleep last night....hoping its the same tonight...oh, and ill be going to bed at 9pm tonight.

Appetite is returning FULL FORCE!

At 10am tomorrow I will officially be on WEEK 2!!! Hell yeaahhh!!!!!
 
I'm on a total of 8mg a day(4 in the Am 4 at night) and I thought that was a low dose! I'm super jealous right now! With a lot of stressers CT Imo is probably not a good idea without any other support, and with that being said for the past 2 years consistently going to AA throughout I've come back from hell many times... Subs are just a tool for me to stay stable enough to build a foundation in recovery... I can't move on with my life with or without subs or drugs or anything if I'm not right on the inside.. Good luck it will be ok!! Have faith keep going!!
 
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Thanks Motherdearest! I can definitely see the light and am feeling better each day! I was in treatment many years ago and many of my friends were on subs for a long period of time...just wasnt for me! Good luck with your recovery and thats for the encouragement!!!

Professseur...I have been amazed by this process...kicking off Day 9 Today! I cant believe I just wrote that!!! Thanks so much for your support!!!

So, today is kicking off DAY 9 and I am noticing many changes! Most noticable, appetite...back...completely...lol...was hungry ALL DAY yesterday....even after eating....its amazing. I was also so ass tired last night I fell asleep before taking my next tapered dose of lope, 24mgs. Honestly, I feel almost normal at the moment. Will bring the lope to work w/ me but thinking I may be in the clear...fingers crossed.

Its true what they say...everything is just a bit brighter each day....almost like I have been livingvin a cloud or a bubble for the last year....i will post again later, more details....cant be late for work though!
 
Holy shit my back feels like someone has been smashing it with a club all day long! Not exactly sure why but it SUCKS!

Appoaching 48 hours with no lope and mid DAY 9vof no oxy/sub...pretty awesome.

I was FROZEN all day today, but nothing I cant handle...just hope it goes away within a few weeks. Have had a slight stomach ache most of the day but thats about it....and seriously hungry...at all times....even after eating.

I am just I dont wake up DYING from lope WD tomorrow....is this possible?

I think my back may also hurt due to my 1.5 hr commute each way....also feel very stressed out but absolutely zero depression, which is the opposite of most of what I have read.

What sort of timeline am I looking at from here out? Am I past the hard shit or do I have more coming?

-Shamrock
 
Don't let your body trick you into thinking you need the meds.... the body is basically giving one last ditch attempt at getting the meds back... tell your body to fuck off. Use your brain power. Not yelling... been there... was stronger than my body's tricks
 
Forgot to mention.. I was freezing for weeks after... it does go away. Your body is hypersensitive to all stimulus after getting off the meds. I don't know if you're female or not.. but shit, I didn't know I had cramps every month until I got off the pain meds lol
 
The back pain and freezing is pretty much par for the course. I was eating 800mg ibuprofen like candy at the peak of my kick. I haven't read the whole thread but clonidine helped a little bit too.
 
Im a 33 year old extremely active male...suppose I should have tossed that in my original post, huh? I hear you loudvand clearvon feeling shit all over for the "first time"....so I ended up taking 10mg of lope last night....i dont know if I really needed it but I felt some light RLS...being overly sensitive to this and knowing I had to be up at 5am, i think I paniced....probably placebo at that mg though, right?

As for the 800's, unfortunately mowed through the bottle I had, but grabbed some extra strength cvs brand (500mg) last night. Not the same but definitely helped. The freezing is fine, just glad its not mid-winter as that would make unbearable. I have hyperhidrosis so I tend to have sweaty hands in high preasure situations (i.e. daily at work, lol) and that makes mecold as it....so its just compounded.

Either way.....I can feel my body continuing to return to its normal state, and its awesome, the hunger piece is the best, no doubt.

Fineleaftobacco.....being friday, if i have any more physical symptoms tonight Ill say FUCK OFF! Thanks so much forbthe support! Howblongbhave you been clean? How long did it take you to feel normal?

I think the gym is a must this evening as well!

Off to kick the shit out of this nice little Friday!

Shamrock
 
Hey... glad you made it through.. I was worried. I was clean for over a year then had emergency surgery last month. They sent me home with pain meds and when I ran out, I had to cold turkey again. It sucked. I should have thrown them out when I didn't need them. It was a one month supply but really low dose. I havent had any since the night after my intro post. The withdrawal was mild hell compared to going off of them last year. Had I only known about lope the first time. Ugh.
 
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