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Stuck in Suboxone Hell, need a gameplan that works.

ShamrockClouds said:
By the end of the night, around 10pm....i had RLS from hell...and couldnt fall asleep even though i was ass tired! I took a little less than .25 of sub, and was sleeping within 40 mins....great nights sleep and feel incredible and rested today.
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IMO this is just the results of the tapper catching up with you finally. The gabapentin (neurontin) is the drug you will want to procure to treat this. It really works well. I would talk to your physician and ask them to please prescribe you the dosage for RLS for a month.

Most people respond really well to a two or three day titration up to 1200 mg three times a day.

I would then taper of the gaba in the manor your physician will tell you as soon as you are able. 2 to 3 weeks after your last bupe dose would be a great time to taper off.

So I think you got a good experience of what you will be up against. This will last for 10 to 14 days. I would also request some clonidine as well.

a benzodiazepine taken at night to try and facilitate sleep is also a very good thing for withdrawals, but you really want to avoid any dependency on those.

You got this.. going to have to do it at some time.. might as well push through now. Freedoms on the other side of a two week push=D

Erikmen said:
Worst scenario, and it's not still not good..(?)
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Are you doing aerobic exercise at least four times a week? Exercise will treat your symptoms and also reduce the time period you experience them for.
 
Neversick, that absolutely makes sense about the tapper catching up.

Are there any OTC meds that work for RLS? Im doing this without a physician and really dont have access to any of the helpful meds i have read about.

As far as dosage, after I took the extra .25 thursday night at 10pm, i woke up yesterday (friday) and took .25 and was able to make it to this morning on just the .25. Then this morning, I took .25 but had some issues getting under my tongue due to how small it is is. Didnt taste any of the orange flavor I typically do, which leads me to believe I didnt get the full dose. I am telling myself I have to make it until tomorrow morning before my next .25.....and the tapper continues!
 
Ended up having to take an additional .25 last night....looks like i need to level out at .5 again for at least 4 days, then I will attempts skipping days, rather than taper to .25

Took .5 this morning and feel ok except for cold chills and being a bit tired due to waking up at 3am and not being able to fall back asleep, even with 5mg of melatonin (another reason im probably feeling so lethargic). Also, had to change clothes twice last night because i was SOAKED with sweat and felt like i was outside it was so cold....warmed right up after changing though.

Sun just came out but still only about 20 degrees out. Heading out to try and walk and hit the library to start studying for my series 66 exam. Honestly, when im studying, i feel close to 100%....staying busy works wonders.
 
Way to keep at it SC.:)

Even with tapering your going to experience some withdrawal symptoms.

I would not skip days as it will have no positive results for you.

Your totally correct, keeping ourselves and our minds busy is key. I kicked a massive habit and did stuff the two month time I was is acute withdrawal.
 
Still at it...took .5 (may have been slightly more, but not much maybe .55 or .60....and I can honestly say I feel like its its too much almost....just feel foggy.

I will say that last night I was up until about 1am and took an advil pm and 5mgs of melatonin, and had to be up at 7am....not easy!

2 more days at .5 after today and ill try to tapper to .25 again.

Soon enough this will be over, honestly, it cant come fast enough!
 
Hey SC.. if you tolerate the melatonin well then I would take it six or seven hours before you are going to try and sleep.

This works best for me and is the recommendation I received from the sleep specialist neurologist I see.

You doing great and your going to be free soon :)
 
I swear to god I have to be the biggest fucking moron on the planet right now.

I took my .55-.60mg dose of suboxone this morning at 7am and felt like it was too much, however, I also think it may have been the 5mgs of melatonin and 200mg of advil pm i took at 1am to sleep. I was on the road ALL DAY...stuck in my car for almost 8hrs and also had to walk 2 miles in 15 degree weather with whipping wind....by the time i got to my fiances work to pick her up, my spine felt like it was splitting in half. Finally got home and was hanging up my sport coat and a half a blue falls out...(on my person ALL DAY without knowing...ridiculous) what does this MORON do? ...sniffy sniffy. Instant regret, its like my mind just did it on auto pilot.

Now i feel like shit, period and feel like i need .25 of sub.

Do I have to worry about Precip. WD if i were to take a .25 sliver of sub?

I wish I had an extra 5k for an accelerated detox, with that being said, I will not give up and i will not be purchasing more oxy, just sets me back mentally and makes me question if I can kick this shit. Also, after re-reading this....I sound like a friggin pussy face...just want to be free but keep shooting myself in the dick.

Do i need to tough it out til the morning? Please tell me i dont...
 
btw Neversick.....I REALLY appreciate you posting daily for me and i have been trying to follow your advice. Also, makes sense about the melatonin...definitely need to take less and much earlier and scratch the advil pms.

I know i can beat this....just questioning when at this point....
 
ShamrockClouds said:
Finally got home and was hanging up my sport coat and a half a blue falls out...(on my person ALL DAY without knowing...ridiculous) what does this MORON do? ...sniffy sniffy. Instant regret, its like my mind just did it on auto pilot.
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Lol.. don't beat yourself up. Everyone would have done the same thing. The biggest illusion in life is that the conscious mind is in control. Its really not. Addiction allows us to really see this. People who are not addicted are not consciously in control either.

Its really amazing once you start to see it. In fact once you see it its impossible not to see it. I watch people get played like puppets, by themselves all day long. Its really amazing. Whats even more amazing is that a powerful group of people have figured this out as well and they also use the puppet strings to manipulate the masses.

Please consider reading through the "divided self" chapter I have linked in post two of this thread. Your elephant sniffed that blue;)

The cure for addiction is reached when the rider takes control over the elephant. Bet you never figured your addiction would be the ticket to enlightenment=D.. Yeah neither did I.. not even in my wildest dreams. :sus:

The Brain and Addiction
 
Neversick....I have definitely heard many things about our lack of control as humans, but thats a very cool example with the elephan and driver. I remember at the extended care treatment i went to back in 2005 in center city, mn.....my counselor had me make a listbof all the things I thought I was in control of. Long story short, he took my list of about 30 things and ripped it up. Then proceeded to rip the list apart, truly illustrating 2 things about humans and addicts....1) we have control over NOTHING and 2) We dont "think" properly, lol, its admittedly an extreme example and exercise, however it gets you thinking along the right lines.

Still at it....took .5 today and i feel almost too good....I am considering jumping tomorrow and using Immodium , ibuprofen 800's and melatonin.

I have been researching Lupe and it almost sounds too good to be true, any thoughts?
 
I think this may be a very good option for you. It really works. Lope is in fact a opiate agonist that was shown to evoke very similar responses to morphine when it was coated with a certain chemical to stop it from being flushed out of the blood brain barrier so quickly.

With this approach you will then transfer over to being dependent on the lope, but as it produces little or no high many people are able to do this with greater ease then with other chemicals.

You probably checked this thread out, but just incase I will throw it up.

Loperamide (Imodium) Megathread v. 2

I think it has a good chance of working out pretty good for you as long as you taper off it as possible.

Please remember that the subs will slowly get worked out of your system over two weeks. I don't think the affinity of lope has ever been calculated, i may be wrong but I have never seen it. IMO the affinity of the bupe will be greater. You may consider stabilizing or altering your dose every two days as needed for those two weeks. Then wait a few days and start to taper the lope.

And the illusion that we are running the show is a very powerful delusion. It is possible to assume majority control as the power the elephant wields is also based of illusion. Its a mind fuck as its all manipulation. But if you see how it works you start to see through the illusion. As with every illusion once you see it you cant go back to not seeing it. As you learn how it works you start to see the puppet strings. Once you see you no longer fall for its manipulation. Learn how it works and how to recognize it and you will no longer get played by it;)
 
HAVE DECIDED TO BE DONE WITH SUBOXONE ONCE AND FOR ALL, TODAY I JUMPED!

I took between .5 and .75 yesterday and I literally felt high, cloudy, sweaty and anxious.

Took my last sub (dosage referenced above) around 10am yesterday.....I have taken aprox 3.5mg of suboxone over the last 7 days, which is almost exacy .5 per day.

I have a big day tomorrow for work, then off until Monday, when things at work will really kick into overdrive.

So its been 28 hrs since my last dose of sub. I dont feel terrible but can feel it coming. Back is KILLING me, off and on cold chills and feeling a bit irritable and restless, but not horrible. Intermittant nausea and slight headache. Im guessing a lot of this is from being stuck in the house all day.

I am going to get Imodium, potassium (natural and pill form), fiber (couple forms) and a ton of gatorade gatorade, water and some miralax.

I am reading that a reccomended dose for sub wd is between 10-40mg a day, split up between a morning and evening dose. Also, I will taper daily and try notvto exceed 10 days of use. Any reccomendations on finding my min effective dose? Was thinking ill start with 6 pills (12 mgs) at around 4pm and see how I feel...if good...ill wait til morning to take 12mg, then 12mg after work. The following day I will drop my dose by 2mg's per dose, butvalso know I can take slightly more to negate syptoms, if necessary. Any crazy side effects I need to be prepared for?

Any other reccomendations? Im all ears for whatever your thoughts may be!

So long Opiate Addiction that almost ruined my life and stole an antire year I will never get back.....I shall miss thee NOT!

ShamrockC
 
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How in the @$!# have I never used Loperamide to get off Oxy or Subs before now?!?!?!? Holy SHIT!

At 6:00pm I was feeling like complete DEATH. Watery eyes, terrible back pain, cold sweats, freezing (it was 30 degrees warmer than it was yesterday too), legs running away....blah blah blah.

Took 10, 2mg lope (generic from dollar general) and by 8:15 I was considerably better. Only very slight, infrequent chills and the back pain was about 50% better! I just took another 5, 2 mg lope about 20mins ago to try and make the chills dissappear before i go to sleep, but so far, so good!

Off to hopefully grab some bud, but ill write again in a cpl hrs before bed.
 
Update To Me! Lol

So, no go on the weed tonight, but I can honestly say 95% of WD symptons are gonzo...even my back is at 90% (i took 2 Ibuprofen 800, but usually these wouldnt come close to touching that pain)....i can not believe what I am feeling! (or NOT FEELING, as it were)

Gonna take 2.5 of melatonin and try to crash

SC
 
Right!?

Just leaving the office now....I felt frigging DEAD this morning, limbs were 50000000 lbs each.....like....insaine....but better that withdrawing. I have only taken B12 (50), 2x 800mg ibuprofen and a potassium 99mg today and feel like a million bucks. Had a powerpoint presentation at 8:30am for my CFO and visiting execs and KILLED it....on 5 hrs sleep. Now time to study for my next licensing exam!

I am happier today than I have been in at least 5 years....yes yes yes yes!
 
Oh.....yesterday was the first day in 8.5 months that i didnt take sub or oxy....i know i probably have some tough shit ahead....dont care....better than beinga slave to the pill or film!
 
Still going strong....its been just shy of 72 hours of no sub/oxy and I still feel pretty damn good....I will say I had slight chills and moderate dull back pain but that makes sense as I dropped my lope from 30mg to 20mg....after reading horror stories about people getting hooked on it. Not switching one for one again.

No doubt havnt been able to poop since right before my first dose of lope (made sure I was cleared out first, lol)....but I am taking some miralax as we speak to try and combat that. Im a bit restless at the moment, but will take potassium tablets for that. Also have the dull, heavy, throbbing legs. I also think the B12 helped yesterday at work with energy level.

Going to try and go as long as I can without lope and try and pass a stool. Finally found some bud last night and stuffed my face for the first time in about 3 weeks...my gut is definitely. paying for it. Slept like a baby with absolutely NO ISSUES tho...incredible.

So far so good....I shall proceed with caution and I am fully aware I could feel like death at any moment.

SC
 
Saturday morning.....officially been 94 hours since my last Suboxone or Oxy...lets just say last night was not quite so easy. I waited all day yesterday to take the lope cuz I wanted to try and poop...no such luck, but I did take some miralax, and believe i can feel something going on....i hope, haha.

Now, dont get me wrong....nothing like CT and probably got 9 hours of sleep, however it was broken, nightmares and RLS in my legs and arms like I have never felt before. I initially dosed 20mg of lope at 8pm last night, but woke up at 12:30am going nuts and took an additional 16mgs....it must have helped because I was able to sleep a bit better, still had rls tho.

I dont think I did myself any favors laying on the couch most of yesterday.

Today I have a shit ton going on.... my niece's birthday, studying, suit fitting tting and going to test my luck in the gym.

And it continues.....not fun but much better than CT

Ill try and post throughout today

SC
 
Update....finally was able to poop! Talk about relief! Yeaaahhhhh buddy....

If youre counting by every 24 hrs past last dose of opiate, i am beginning day 5 of my detox....

Any idea how many more days I can take lope and not end up hooked? Keeping my dosage as low as possible....going to try and make it Until tomorrow morning to take more since I had to up my dose last night from the previous day...

Is there a considerable difference in brands of lope?
 
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