strongest salvia extract concentration?

[Recept]

I'm not 100% sure how pure salvinorin.A is supposed to look like, but I'm assuming it's some sort of a salty or crystalline powder. Either way, it should be perfectly distinguishable from other extract as those have lots of plant material left in the mixture from the dried leaves. So if your extract looks anything like other extracts, I think it would be a safe bet to assume what you have is definately not 400x.

 

[biosis]

well turns out they sold out of it when i asked, and said they're not selling it anymore and will discontinue selling salvia entirely pretty soon because of recent legislation to push for its illegality...oh well, i tried.

 

[m79]

Very nice mix of theory and experience on this board, this thread shows it

 

[janasix]

I just cant imagine a stronger trip then on 20x but definetly understand , why i want to try more^^.

Quick sample of last time the strongest experience on salvia:

Waking up nowhere , infront of me trees which twist like a tornado , i jump in , it splits my body in parts , i see leafes and roots coming out of my vains inside my body. Then driving in a strange vehicle through a mall which have many stores i could go in and each of this stores ist a parallel universe where i live in , so i can see myself in all these universes/worlds and at the end of the mall a curtain fall on me and kills me..


yeah a cant imagine more crazy stuff at once , but as soon as i have my own salvia plant i will report how 100% pure stuff hits

 

[Solipsis]

0.126-1.137 mg/g is the range of salvinorin found - divide that by a thousand and you get:
7937-880 - meaning standard leaf in this range has 1/7937 - 1/880 portion salvinorin.

By that logic pure salvinorin is equal to an extract of 7937x strength starting from sucky leaf or 880x strength from great leaf.

I don't know what standardized leaf contains but this means that pure salvinorin is about 2000x or 3000x and not the 400 I saw earlier, or am I completely mistaken here?

It hardly matters I think, because beyond a certain point somewhere maybe around 50x it is already so concentrated that the only difference in smoking is the dose you have to weigh.
Assuming you have a great technical scale and measure your doses perfectly there should theoretically not be much of a difference.

Where you get your difference is when you go eyeballing or incorporating measurement errors into your dose. You can't gauge a pinch of 50x or 100x that is insane - if you would go and guesstimate ever more potent forms than that it's blackout time or possibly life changing experiences.

 

[janasix]

I think smoked there is no difference at a certain point because the drug hits in 30 sec and then last a few minutes , interesting would be a orally taken selfmade salvinorin capsule or chewed.

I didnt even chewed salvia so do not know how it feels in low doses , but if its just a medium high the amount of salvia will do its work.

If it works there would be a whole new market for salvia ^^ im hoping the effects will last long

 

[fireredfreak]

Solipsis wrote:

I don't know what standardized leaf contains but this means that pure salvinorin is about 2000x or 3000x and not the 400 I saw earlier, or am I completely mistaken here?

It's really simple. There can only be 1000 milligrams in 1 gram, so if there's 2.5 mg's of Salvinorin A in 1 gram of dried leaf, then exclude the remaining 997.5 mg's of leaf (since we're going for a pure product of only Salvinorin A), and then add in the remaining amount. 2.5 mg's Salvinorin A + 997.5 mg's Salvinorin A = 1000 mg's pure Salvinorin A. 1000 mg's Salvinorin A (pure) / 2.5 mg's Salvinorin A (in 1 gram of leaf) = 400x the potency of 1 gram of "that" dried Salvia Leaf.

If we were to use your numbers instead. If there's at most 1.137 mg's Salvinorin A in 1 gram of a specific dried leaf, then we will do 1000 mg's Salvinorin A / 1.137 mg's Salvinorin A = 900x (rounded) the potency of 1 gram of "that" dried Salvia Leaf. If the gram of Salvia Leaf has only 0.126 mg's Salvinorin A, then 1000/0.126 = 8000x (rounded) the amount of Salvinorin A in "that" dried Salvia Leaf.

Since we look at it from this perspective, it's safe to say that the amount of "x" a particular Salvia product has does NOT determine the potency of that Salvia product, since when we purchase a product of 20x Salvia for example... it's potency can truly be that of 20x "good" plain leaf (20 x 2.5 mg's Salvinorin A = 50 mg's Salvinorin A in finished product), or 20x "crap" plain leaf (20 x 0.126 mg's Salvinorin A = 2.52 mg's Salvinorin A in finished product, an amount that is only that of 1 gram of "good" plain leaf).

This means not all Salvia products are created equal, and their potency's range dramatically. 50 mg's Salvinorin A in the 20x product made from the good leaves is about 19.85 times stronger than 2.52 mg's of Salvinorin A in the 20x product made from the crap leaves. This explains why some Salvia products will send us to another universe, and some hardly do shit.

-fireredfreak

 

[Solipsis]

True, and if some labs don't do a proper extraction and analysis then they might be using impure salvinorin A to standardise which would also make the product inferior if qualified compared to the x value / strenght it is sold under.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

I dont get how anyone can break through on just the leaves.

Some people just can. My first lot of SD was an ounce of Oaxaca leaf, still have it too. .75g to 1g consumed in a single, huge hit, causes a breakthrough in everyone I've shared it with. To be sure, I have since worked with standardized 5x, 10X, 20X, and even have some 100X in the box though I never tried the 100X as the plain leaf of 5X was plenty strong.