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Strange Chinese remedy: Proceed with caution or what?

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It's odd, because alcohol increases inflammation, and so do eggs, but apparently this procedure "cures" rheumatoid arthritis, but not of the fingers.

I know 99.9 percent of you are going to say pish posh a hunk of baloney. BUT That's not my question.

My question is this: Is this dangerous? Or do you think the worst that could happen is nothing, maybe a little extra inflammation?
 
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RhythmSpring said:
...alcohol increases inflammation, and so do eggs, but apparently this procedure "cures" rheumatoid arthritis, but not of the fingers.
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In life my experience has always been to MIND YOUR GUT FEELINGS in situations like this.

If common sense says one thing, and you're presented with an alternate viewpoint I'd definitely go with common sense and avoid any potential worsening of your condition.

Think about what a trained MEDICAL Doctor would say for a moment.

Remember, if something seems too good/easy to be true, it usually is. TL;DR - don't do it. You know better. And Google Chinese medicine horror stories to justify your decision.
 
I mean, it's eggs and eggshells (which are mostly calcium) and wine... what's the worst that can happen? It sort of appeals to my logic: alcohol should dissolve the minerals from the egg shell, nourishing joints and perhaps neurological pathways, and also alcohol is a suppressor of the immune system, which is what is overactive in RA... perhaps a combination of these things is what makes it effective.... I dunno.

It's not like they are strange chemicals or herbs. They are household items.
 
So why are you asking for my opinion if you're sure it's harmless?

I reiterate: trust your instincts. I woukdn't do it, but again I don't subscribe to Eastern medicine. Science is generally convincing enough for me. :)
 
^ That wouldn't make sense because you're not ingesting anything. If you had told me that eating a clove of garlic had benefits, I would believe you. Cure all of my ailments? That's not what this claim is. It'd be one thing for it to say THIS CURES EVERYTHING. But it just says rheumatoid arthritis, but not of the fingers. Which is pretty specific, considering that RA most often attacks the fingers.
 
Is is "strange" because it is foreign to you?

Or "strange" because it seems outside the typical elements one would want to balance with buildup of calcified material in the joints / ligament damage / connective tissue inflammation, according to TCM?

I cant fathom mixing these ingredients together, or having heavy animal proteins involved at all, in the healing of any joint related condition.

Ive been conditioning my hands, feet, shins, and elbows for many years and have sustained quite a few joint injuries, always treated by a lifelong practitioner of TCM and Acupuncture; this recipe seems like the opposite of what I would do to treat arthritis.

Im in a hurry right now but if I remember later, Ill throw around a few means of both temporarily alleviating arthritis pain and inflammation and also how to change the diet and lifestyle to rid one's self of it altogether in the long run, according to TCM. In the meantime go find some organic garlic and crush it, wrap it around your finger joints for a few hours with some cabbage leaves (improvise if youre having trouble), and if it burns you then remove and try again in a little bit.
 
First of all, my finger joints are fine. It's all my large joints that are inflamed and osteo-arthritic.

Second of all, my diet is already perfect. No really. Even after honing my diet down to perfection, (according to MY body, anyway) there is still inflammation and residual joint damage. I go in for my second hip replacement in a week.

For example, I've cut out sugar completely, gluten, dairy, red meat and poultry, soy and nightshade vegetables. I eat one meal a day, usually consisting of some kind of coldwater/oily fish like sardines, salmon or anchovies, and dark leafy greens. With lotsa garlic. And sea salt. Avocados. Etc. I drink vegetable juices every day. I do a SHIT ton of dietary and lifestyle stuff for my health based on 4 years of trial and error and countless hours of research. I could go into it.

It helps a lot, but not quite enough.
 
^^damn...you are disciplined...that's a good thing :) I need to start eating healthy as well...but keep in mind...the asians have it in their genetics passed down...who knows maybe i am wrong...but the rigirous schedules they keep (school and work and other things) exercise one of the most important muscles....their brains :) I feel at my job my brain is dying (call center taking orders and warehouse duties like stocking and what not)...i should move to asia!
 
Firstly, i wouldnt take any of the following for its absolute value. TCM is a lifestyle and holistic medicinal system, and incorporates ones breathing regimens, exercise regimens, meditation regimens, lifestyle regimens, and dietary regimens into the picture. You should consult a liscenced and experienced TCM/Acupuncture practitioner before engaging in the following.

The diet you listed above is still more inflammatory than not. Arthritis is a very cantankerous condition to cure, and requires a lot of discipline, diligence, and sacrifice. For other readers, arthritis is 100% preventable and is directly caused by lifestyle and diet - so start eating raw organic kale every day and completely remove pasteurized dairy from your diet, while you still are able to prevent. Usually curing arthritis it involves a lot of fasting and detox, and unless you have firsthand experience in doing these things, again, consult a holistic TCM practitioner.

All of these things must be consumed on an empty stomach, and without an accompanying meal. For best, fastest results, fasting on just a given element is encouraged (again, fasting must be fully understood before engaging). All of these sorts of "prescriptions" assume the individual leads a very health conscious lifestyle otherwise. Assumes individual understands nutritional deficiencies of "conventional" produce.

Raw Celery Juice - Contains organic sodium which dissolve and break down the chunks of inorganic calcium built up around the joints, allowing the kidneys to filter them out of the body as waste. 1 pint a day.
Raw Grapefruit Juice - Similar to above, but uses different enzymatic action and is more anti inflammatory (does not mean its 'better'). 1-2 pints.
Black Cherries - Similar to grapefruit (but you can use member of berry group vs citrus group, for example), uses enzymatic action to dissolve calcified buildups. Requires 1-2lbs per "dose" with no other foods in system 12 hours before or after.
Red/Purple Grape Fast - for about 5 days, nothing but whole organic grapes (seeds included!) chewed into liquid, several pounds per day (I believe eastern Russia/Ukraine have many grape therapy institutions for curing anything from cancer to colitis).
Alphalpha Sprouts - similar to celery, also one of best anti inflammatory agents. Can be consumed whole or juiced.

Lemon, Orange, Asparagus, and Barley are also often employed for eliminating arthritis.

Shit to avoid: any sort animal proteins, any digestively incompatible combo (Will worsen condition), too much cooked food. All dairy products. Stress!

Also, for juicing, knowledge of preservation of enzymes is required (none of this is hard, just dont go drinking celery juice and ignoring the rest of your lifestyle thinking youll be ok).

Self preservation is the key here. Most Americans are used to the plutocracy doing all their thinking for them. People want "EZ 123" answers for everything, people want to "not have to think about things." People are raised from birth to have total reluctance to any sort of cognitive "work." When considering personal health, nothing requires more constant, ever present thought. Every single decision one makes throughout the day should be focused on how it relates to what the body needs or doesnt need.



I feel at my job my brain is dying (call center taking orders and warehouse duties like stocking and what not)...i should move to asia!
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apparently no one informed you that the commies took over the game there, and this is pretty much what most human energy has been reduced to
 
rm-rf, you're preaching to the choir. Aside from fish, which are the only source of protein I can tolerate without getting inflamed, I do not consume any animal products.

I already eat raw organic kale every day either through vegetable juices or salads. Celery juice too. The grape fast sounds interesting... since sugar is directly inflammatory, I wonder how effective it actually is. Grapefruit juice I'm skeptical of... citrus is pretty inflammatory for me. So I'm surprised you recommend that and lemon and oranges... Barley too, as starches, gluten (even organic brown rice) cause inflammation for me.

I'm not banking on some kind of silver bullet. I've been working very very hard to get my diet right, and it still isn't enough. It's not like I have a little inflammation here and there. I needed a hip replacement after 3 years of having the RA. My elbows and knees were inflamed to the point of being rigid at 90 degree angles. It's severe.

I don't need dietary or philosophical advice. I need someone who knows what kind of substance you get when you boil eggs in white wine, and what kind of effect it might have on the body/immune system.
 
Fish is the only source of protein you can tolerate? Not even raw soaked almonds? How about snowpeas? Green beans? Chickpeas? Lentils? Watermelons? Hemp?

Citrus is inflammatory for you, or other elements within citrus fruits are inflammatory? Citrus fruit fasts are often prescribed for restoring pH to alkaline levels, which is useful for a wide variety of medical treatments. Regardless, inflammation is a symptom, and I did mention some things which simultaneously treat the symptoms. The foods suggested are primarily to treat the buildup of calcified chunks of material lodged in connective tissue and joints, not primarily for reducing inflammation period. Its also a rather reduced list, you could find many more options when speaking to your own practitioner, the point is to show the dynamic of options available and how one could custom tailor it to one's needs, based on one's history and experience with digesting certain foods.

Not all starches are the same. Wheat and Sorgum, millet and corn, theyre hardly derived from the same species. Buckwheat has some amazing medicinal properties not shared by other grains, so on and so forth. I also mentioned barely has been used as a medicine to treat arthritis, I did not say barely was used to reduce the associated inflammation.

I have no idea what happens when you mix eggs and white wine, but I cant imagine anything except indigestion and acidity. I can almost guarantee you that any TCM practitioner would tell you to outright avoid cooked eggs when treating arthritis. Also this forum isnt yours, it belongs to the public, and is read by the public, and I address my responses as such.
 
Starches are all the same to me in that they cause inflammation. Millet, buckwheat (a legume), etc. even sprouted and dried, are no good. Hemp no good. Raw soaked almonds, probably okay. Chickpeas and lentils, believe it or not, inflammatory for me. Watermelons, haven't tried. Hemp, haven't had in a long while so I'm not sure. I guess everything has amino acids in it, so technically i can tolerate other sources of them. But as for protein-rich foods, fish is my best bet.

I'm sure you understand my trepidation about using citrus to treat my arthritis. I have a bad history with it, so why should I use it medicinally? It's the same reasoning behind why I wouldn't do the egg-wine thing. I know eggs cause flareups...

I do appreciate your input about the eggs and wine alleged cure, but no need to tell me the forum isn't mine. I think it's okay for people to address others on a forum. It's still public, ya?
 
I'm a Doctor of Chinese medicine and I'm trained in treating arthritis. I have never heard of this remedy. It says that it comes from a magazine in China. Well, what magazine? I speak Chinese so it'd be no problem for me to verify if it's real.

Warm wine is good for invigorating the blood if your joint pain is due to bad blood circulation, and eggs are "yang" in property which means they are warming. Maybe the idea is to warm the joints and get the blood flowing. Drinking this won't harm you, but I'm not convinced it would do very much.

Anyway, if you try it let us know how it goes. I'm curious!
 
They didn't say what magazine. :-\

From:
-RhythmSpring-
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Message:
Hello,
My name is -RhythmSpring-, I am a 22 year old man from the US with severe
rheumatoid arthritis in my large joints, not my fingers.

I just read your blog post about boiling eggs in white wine to cure
RA. I want to let you know that I am trying this remedy and hope that
it is safe, and that it works. It is very bold to post that it "Cures"
the disease. I will let you know if it works, and I will let you know
if it does NOT work.

What was the magazine you read it from, anyway?

Thank you,
-RhythmSpring-

桃郎中 [email protected]

3:03 AM (21 hours ago)

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Hi,

I'm glad to hear that.

I'm from China and the remedy is very safe.

you see just eggs and white wine.

just note if you have any other disease that could not drink wine

you could use potato cream to your joints to pain relief.

wish you good news.
 
Heh... figures. Based on the bad grammar they are probably Chinese, and trying to make a buck off of someone's idea of a remedy. I know the type. You could try it, it's not going to hurt you. IMO it will mostly be the warm wine that does anything.

Rheumatoid arthritis in eastern medicine is due to an environmental pathogen (like damp, cold, heat, or wind) invading the joints and causing them to break down. This pathogen invades when the immune system is weak and cannot protect the body. The corresponding western medicine diagnosis relates to auto-immune disease; that is, your own body is creating inflammation and destruction of the small joints in the hands, but the reason is unknown. The eastern understanding is that your body is actually fighting a foreign invader, but it's a climatic pathogen as opposed to something like a virus or bacteria.

I can't give you a precise diagnosis over the internet because everyone's body is different, but the two things you definitely need to do are modulate the immune system, and increase blood circulation. The best all-around external product for this is called Zheng Gu Shui ("Bone Rectifying Linniment" for lack of a better translation): http://www.amazon.com/Zheng-Shui-Ex...=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B000MWO3IG - apply this judiciously in several layers after each layer dries, and while it's working do not expose your hands to wind or water.

Another thing you can apply externally is a linniment made of half a cup cayenne pepper boiled in 1-2 cups white vinegar. Apply it, and then apply a heat source like a hot water bottle or heating pad for 10-20 minutes. This will strongly invigorate circulation to the joints. If you have hot, red, swollen joints, then don't use this technique as it will make it worse. People tend to like this technique in the winter when the cold-damp really bugs their joints.

All rheumatoid arthritis is partially due to what is called internal "damp-turbidity" going to the joints, and the main source of this turbidity is diet. Processed foods, mucous forming foods like dairy, overly sweet or salty, greasy food... these all cause retention in the body that can end up in the joints, which your body will want to rectify. Despite what western medicine says, your body is not attacking its joints for no reason. It is trying to fight something and clear something out. Best thing you can do to clear some turbidity is to increase raw greens (or their freshly squeeze juices) into the diet, such as: kale, broccoli, sprouts, sprouted beans (especially mung and aduki), beets, carrots, etc. Those are the best ones I can think of. The raw juices will undo some of the turbidity, and now that it's spring it's the best time to do this. If you can include one or two fresh dandelion leaves daily then that would be awesome - unless you have low blood pressure, then don't bother with dandelion because it's diuretic.

I would recommend herbal formulas but I don't want to overstep legalities on Blue Light. And also, I have not examined you so I don't know what your specific syndrome is. Sorry! I will say though, for the immune system, that Astragalus, red reishi, shiitake, cordyceps, and American ginseng could be of use to you.
 
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Thanks for the wonderful input, Foreigner! What a wealth of information you are on Chinese medicine. :)

OP I think you have received some excellent advice, and now it's up to you to consult another Doctor (Chinese or otherwise but preferably someone who can physically examine you).
 
Thanks Foreigner! I actually don't think they're trying to make a buck. They're not selling a product, they're just telling me to go buy eggs and wine and do it myself.

The dietary things you recommend I already do for the most part. Interesting what you say about a pathogen. I went to a Vietnamese "barefoot doctor" who practices TCM and he said I have "very strong disease" and needed his herbs. I took them, but didn't feel better. Granted, I only took them for 1-2 months, but I didn't feel ANY difference, so I decided to save myself the trouble.

Anyway, I think I'll try the remedy sans eating the eggs (just drink the warm, egg-boiled wine). I'll get back to you guys when I do it!
 
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