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Storing Research Chemicals in close contact... Contaminating ?

Kishka

Kishka

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Hello,

I was wondering if storing research chemicals in their original baggie in a small metallic box in close contact (That's mean for example that I have 20 baggie and that I put all of them in my mettalic box) could be contaminate the other chemical ?

Somone told me this :
officially I would never advice to have 2 bags with different chemicals in close contact because some solvents may pass through the plastic. A few years ago this happened to me as a user when storing aMT. The solvents vaped and the bag turned sticky and yellow and so did the ones close to it. Absolutely disgusting.

I hope that helps!
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I feel a bit embarassed because I used to store my research chemicals in close contact (putting all the baggie in the same mettalic box) [..] Is there really a risk to contaminate all of my chemicals ?

Thank you 8(
 
Solvents leaching through LDPE bags is entirely possible. To make bags discolour though, you actually need quite a lot of contamination. Further, the drug itself will not leach through the bag in appreciable quantities so really you needn't worry about it.

I would be far more worried about mechanical damage though, and for that reason I would keep them double bagged or in something more robust. I use glass sample vials for all mine and it works really well.
 
Hi,

Most chemicals do not "react with plastic aka your baggie". Some chemicals may have impurities that will discolor or odorize plastic, but remember that plastic is generally long chains of hydrocarbons (plastic : wax :: wax : oil :: oil : butane) and the drugs we are concerned with are stored as salts so they are not likely to associate with plastic in any meaningful amount.

Maybe someone else have a thought on it, since it's quite a pertinent question.
 
Transform said:
Solvents leaching through LDPE bags is entirely possible. To make bags discolour though, you actually need quite a lot of contamination. Further, the drug itself will not leach through the bag in appreciable quantities so really you needn't worry about it.

I would be far more worried about mechanical damage though, and for that reason I would keep them double bagged or in something more robust. I use glass sample vials for all mine and it works really well.
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Thank you!

What kind of "mechanical damage" should I be aware of ? I didn't really understand what is a LDPE bag by the way.

Well, if the substance is properly stored in their original baggie, they won't be contaminated right ? So basically, storing my chemicals like I did -> Placing all of them (Phens and Trypts) in the same small mettalic box (so they are in "close contact") could contaminated each other if solvents may pass through the plastic ?

Am i worrying too much ?
 
Usually things are not that bad :) For example, aMT freebase evaporates some ammonium and that's why it all got so dirty and stinky. But for well produced HCl or fumarate salts, it should be ok in 99% cases, but -as said- I would officially keep some "barrier" between bags, like a piece of alluminum foil.

Sorry if my explanation alerted you. I'm the kind of person that takes twice the needed measures all the time, but I think you can relax a bit on that regard. Just be cautious and take a look from time to time to check that everything is ok inside the box :)

I'm sure there is someone here on Bluelight that could help you better than me :)

Anybody ?
 
Mechanical damage like dropping things on it or tearing it. LDPE is the type of plastic which baggies are made from.

Contamination can happen when the chemicals are made so they may already be contaminated by the time you get them.

Usually though, you can smell when a chemical is contaminated with solvent or something else which will damage the bag as they will smell very strong. You should double bag them in this case but otherwise it is not so important. It is highly unlikely that they will affect chemicals in other bags, but they might make them smell too.

I think keeping an eye on your box and being cautious is generally good advice. I never had any problems storing things in single bags when I used to use them.
 
So for my final question;

Since all of my products are mainly HCL and fumarate, it should be okay even without the "barrier" ? Because my box is kind of small, I can't put aluminium foil, it have not enough space to put everything in it with the foil..

Phenethylamines are HCL and Tryptamines are mostly fumarate so as you previously said, it's unlikely that it will happens ?

I only have the 25I-NBOMe wich is Freebase. I should be cautious on that one ?

I'm going to be anxious... not good!
 
Yes, single bags will be fine if none of them smell strongly. Aluminium foil doesn't seal so it's not great anyway.

25I is unlikely to be an issue at all if it doesn't smell.
 
Then it is decomposing and should be moved to the freezer in a bag in an opaque container.

This will slow its decomposition to a level which will be unnoticeable.

That said, this is really quite unusual and I definitely wouldn't worry about it.
 
Yeah like Transform said, it will unlikely contaminate your baggie.

I would be aware of tryptamines such as 4-ACO-DMT which can smell some time.

But anyway even if it's smell and others baggie are close to it, it should be not a problem for contamination of other baggie.

I think it's right, what do you think Transform ?
 
Yep, it's really not worth worrying about one drug contaminating another unless there are holes in the bag.
 
Well they are not any single hole on my baggie. But I must admit that my box smell a bit like a chemical taste. I have some 4-ACO-DMT which have degraded a bit (colour is black/brown), kind of smell. But then I trust you, it shouldn't contaminate the other baggie which are placed in close contact (Phens and trypts together).

^^"
 
Don't worry, 25I won't evaporate any kind of undesirable solvent, and also if it's quite a small quantity which I think you have, even less. It's not the same as 10g of aMT for example.

If you are really worried at this point, I suggest buying amber vials or any vials in glass form to be 100% sure :)
 
i've had my stuff double bagged in a glass container in close contact for years now and never noticed a problem. the only thing that started to turn brownish on the zipbag opening was the 5-meo-dmt freebase, but that was to be expected. i just keep the oxidizing stuff like 4- and 5-sub freebases in a different glass vial.

if you open your container a lot be sure to have plenty bags of silica gel dessicants and maybe some oxygen absorbers in your airtight storage container. moisture and oxygen are your biggest enemies, not close contact of baggies.
 
So please to be less anxious in my mind.

This is how my chemicals are stored (They are something like 15 baggies on there) :



This is what I mean by "close-contact"... Should it be good (They are mainly Phens and Trypt). I planned to buy some Amber Glass Vial for the Tryptamines by the way.

Is my method of storing OK ?

Thanks
 
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I have a similar container and with them 4-aco-dmt in the fumerate form, should I get a brown air tight glass vial for the substance and put the rolled up zip bag in it?
Is that even worth it?
 
cpuller said:
I have a similar container and with them 4-aco-dmt in the fumerate form, should I get a brown air tight glass vial for the substance and put the rolled up zip bag in it?
Is that even worth it?
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In my case I will buy Amber Vial for the Tryptamines :)
 
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