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Marxism has been explained to the masses for the last 20 years. They teach about hegemony and ideological control in high school level English classes, for example, and the power structure has quite happily sat back and watched it burn out. The theory of a worldwide Marxist revolution where the workers rise up and take control of the means of production hasnt happened, and it has had ample opportunity. And I just don't see the masses supporting a violent revolution, although it depends on what grounds you are arguing for it.

On an equality for drug users platform, I think you'll get laughed right back to Russia. On a refute the capitalist system basis you might garner some support, but if so, why arent you doing it now? Where are the freedom fighters looking to destroy the capitalist system? I'll give you a hint, they flew planes into two towers, and look how much public support they got. A revolution has to be a grassroots expression of public opinion, and at the moment public opinion is actually moving ever so slowly to the right of the political spectrum, not the left. But until you convince people that they have been disenfranchised from the system, you cant take the power back. The people know about Marxism, and they dont care.
 
^^^^ the people know about Marxism????

This isn't meant to be rude at all, but i think you are far too over educated to know what the general public has been taught about marx. Nothing conceptual is ever presented in American public schools about marx. It's all capitalist propaganda.

you make a good point, but you are living in a dream world if you think marx is at all being represented in classrooms today. I could go on... but i doubt you will argue with this
 
Hahaha. My year 12 english lit curriculum was all Marxist readings of famous texts. We looked at class discourse, hegemonic rule, alienation of the worker, and literally every assignment was to do a Marxist interpretation of a famous novel. We did George Orwells Animal Farm in year 11 even.

Social studies covered communist thought which at least touched on marx, and history centred heavily on marx as well.

As mentioned, this was all year 11 and 12 shit I assume most people have finished high school. Then again, I also assumed your curriculum was similar to ours. I live in Australia. Are the vicious rumours about the American education system true?
 
You'r post made sense by the last sentence:) .. Yes the rumours are true. Education in the U.S. is nothing more than propaganda 101. All of the American history and world history classes are taught with books that tell complete lies. We are taught in grade school taht thanksgiving is the day the pilgrims came over and ate dinner with the indians. The books don't even mention the terrible things we've done in the past. I got sent home from school for wearing a Tshirt with an anti american phrase on it. marx is never mentioned unless the following sentence contains something to the effect of " but it will never happen because humans are born selfish." The level of mind control here through education is astounding to say the least.

It would blow your mind to sit through a typical history or soc. studies class in the U.S. and just try to write fast enough to record all of the lies.
 
Ahhh. See, I have always had a profound disrespect for the Australian education system, so in my naivety I assumed that other systems would be better. Is anyone else still reading this who can comment on what they learned in the US schooling system about Marxism? I dont want to believe you, but it would explain a great deal.
 
I never learned shit from the schools
no and not cuZ i was too busy being ''igna'nt'' like some of yall seem to think

every year we learned the same thing in history.
we started with the colonial shit with the pilgrims and everything, then learned about the revolutionary war
then the period of time after that where nothin relly happened but all the establishing of the country went on, then by the time we got to the end of the year we were comin up on the civil war and sometimes, even got to FINISH that period and almost moved on to the next before school got out 4 the year. 8)

one year we skipped the pilgrims started at the 1800's and got up to the early 1900's

but then the year after that one it was still the fuckin english settler bullshit again
they never taught us anything about any modern times or about politicial shit
when i got to high school they had world history so that relly ''helped'' .....what did we learn in world history?
EUROPEAN WHITE HISTORY. i dont know shit about history whn it comes to the american indians, (cept they gave the english corn 8) and oh yea, that the white men didnt REALLY fuck them over, wait well yea they did, but theyre sorry, so its all good 8( ) hope nobody misses the sarcasm there.......

nuttin on the south american indians, the entire conitnent of asia, australia dont exist to the US because its just "a crappy smaller version of us" =P and africa? HELL NAW you best believe they ignore the shit outta africa in the history plans. i aint talkin like not teachin it, im talkin 100% white centric bullshit where the africans didnt do shit except be slaves.

so we did the greeks n romans shit and that took all year cuZ the teacher was mad into the greek golden age shit
but we didnt have textbooks we had to use these printeed out papers she would copy and hand out then give them back when we were done so we didnt have too much resources there to even let it sink in, me i dont remember that shit too much

its like giving someone a loaf of bred when theyre gonna walk across a fuckin desert like ''here ya go, its bread'' when u need a whole lot more than that.......like ''here ya go its the history of rome from 1500 to 1600 thatll do right?"

learnin about a era here or there aint gonna help if you dont even know what famous as hell presidents did like nixon or reagan....dont know about vietnam or how it started....nothing....

and heaven forbid teach us about political people who made radical ideas and changes other than in a paragraph in the back part of the book we never got to that says ''malcolm x was a strongly individual figure whose radical beliefs brought him much controversy" and thats it

after 9th grde i said fuck it n dropped out

when i got my GeD i just took the test w/out the studying program you were supposed to do before so they teach u all the shit u supposedly missed
but i was like fuck that took it passed it like "damn.....i just took the test that was EVERYTHING you supposed to learn in high school?" i aint shittin when i tell u it was like 6th grade level homie.

guess i ddint miss out on too much

leme tell you somethin though
theres ppl out there gettin much worse
i was just in a low budget, goin out of business shitty high school in a kinda beat area but the lil kids in the hood and shit got it a million times worse

what im sain is kinda like yea i tell my story, and you think THATS bad

at least yall learn real things in austrlia

Anybody else had this same shitty education
 
slightly off topic:

"Hahaha. My year 12 english lit curriculum was all Marxist readings of famous texts. We looked at class discourse, hegemonic rule, alienation of the worker, and literally every assignment was to do a Marxist interpretation of a famous novel. We did George Orwells Animal Farm in year 11 even." --Fallen1

^^^Unfortunately this is not the case for most people/school systems. After I earned my PhD. I began teaching at universities all over the country. To my horror, students were still stuggling with basic grammar and composition (in college!). I don't blame them (necessarily), if they had been a student of mine back in highschool or gradeschool, they would have had to have that shit down, no queston. Example: You can't read, think, and write critically, with sound grammar, about a text? Stay late, work hard, and put in as much time as I, your teacher, will. No? Well, see you next year. Gives you a little insight into the current state of things. Marxism? I would have been happy if they could have deconstructed "Lord of the Flies" on any level.
 
I learned about Marxism in "high school"....

...but it was a special private "alernative" high school ran by one of the local colleges, so I have to say my experience is not typical. I agree with Lacey and BHC that most American public high school is a joke and the only "Marxism" you'll hear about is "Marx was a commie, and commies wanna give your money to poor people.
 
^^^ yep thats all you hear. Marx was a man supporting "dictatorship" of the Proletariet. American education has a good skill at compressing a whole era into about 10 pages. American education loves to focus on other countries faults and find all there little fuck ups or mistakes. But when something that we did is brought up seldomly. All the dictators the american goverment supported? Bah hogwash! who told you that commie? commie!??!?!?11 thats american education.


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all the ones that matter to me do, lil homie
 
Subdefy and I agree its harder to read slang when typed. Its alot easier to hear it as opposed to reading it.
 
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Subdefy and I agree its harder to read sland when typed. Its alot easier to hear it as opposed to reading it.
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I agree.
Lacy I respect you as a contributing member of BL but your posts are hard to read.
 
Ok Marxism didn't work (his theory) as you have pointed out for proof that there was created another theory, Neo Marxism. A newer one was created because the older one didn't work or hold water. Why else would you make a new theory?

I take lacey k seriously and you are right on those regards. I can vouch for all of that because when I went to school they taught you the exact same things over and over with little change in between except maybe how it was taught but I think the teachers didn't care so much and it showed. What's worse is we also used several very old and out-dated books but the thing was, we used them, at the least, two times, for many of them. The schools waste a lot of money on athletics and other secretive things which my school was no exception too. People were sick of it and so they rejected our school tax levy to get money for repairs and books. Yeah right!!! They wasted a lot of money most recently in paying off a super intendant when he sued his dismissal for the money he was entitled to if he stayed on for his contract. Basically he wanted his pay. They got what they deserved and I hate my school district with a passion. My diploma means very little to me too because majority of the people, including the two in the second highest graduating honors group got there 100% by cheating and everybody, I mean EVERYBODY, knew it. They were commended for their honors too and held up as shining examples to us all. They were, during the school year, busted right in front of my math class for cheating and being so obvious about it. You know how it goes, if you don't get caught you tend to get careless. My school was such a joke. Like many of us there we pretty much figured in short that the principal might as well have taken all our diplomas and wiped his ass with them. My grades, no matter how decent they were, are in no way a reflection of my overall intelligence.

You are also right about the way they teach history and other things. They candy coat it to be simple to the kids and later fill your head with lies for the most part. That is why I loved my 10th grade history teacher because he was blunt and told the good and bad of all the sides. From 40 Acres and a Mule to Watergate ... etc. America doesn't like to say or teach anything that makes it look bad. You have to read both sides since each is biased and do a little digging at some points too. It's sad most are brainwashed and don't even know to go about and do this. We all are selfish as you say too and in some way, everything we do is for ourselves no matter what the outcome. There were many times I wanted to drop out of college and I never wanted to go to my highschool graduation. If I had to do it again I would not no matter how much my parents protested. Fuck that I am only stronger now in my beliefs and I am considered legally an adult now lol. Of course this means nothing to whether the person is a man or not yet or if they are mature or still have demons making them act like kids. Also considering I am gay guess how fun it was for me to grow up in such a prejudice that I did in highschool especially?

Subdefy I can understand how it can be more difficult to follow if someone speaks differently than anyone else but why would you take them any less seriously? It seems like you have been raised to have a predjudice somewhere in your environment but then again that's the American Way! :D What bullshit! That's why they drill you so fucking hard to write formally all the time and to all write the same. There's a little communism right there. If you do not write like Shakespeare or Emily Dickonson etc than what you write is not good. At least, this is how I percieved a lot of my english classes. Writing evolves and diversifies man. :) America is much like a dictatorship. At the least Bush is a dictator and I dare anyone to phrase it any nicer.
 
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;) @ your explanation to our homeboy, fo real, sub-diZZle-fy, knockin out them punk ass slang typers like this n like that on tha daily, cause you know we dont play with that semicolon where a comma should be buuuulll-shit, ya heard

MAKIN A DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD....ONE APOSTROPHE AT A TIME

subdefy keep on keepin it real man you a straight outlaw
 
Originally posted by TrippedOutKid
Ok Marxism didn't work (his theory) as you have pointed out for proof that there was created another theory, Neo Marxism. A newer one was created because the older one didn't work or hold water. Why else would you make a new theory?


Sorry Junior, you're on the right track, but you're not really thinking it through. Theories are often refined or made better. That doesnt neccesarily mean the previous one was flawed, but the new one simply makes better use of a changing world (this applies ALOT in politics).

I'd love to explain it further to you, but thats beyond the scope of this thread, and indeed this very forum.

Originally posted by TrippedOutKid
That's why they drill you so fucking hard to write formally all the time and to all write the same. There's a little communism right there.


'fraid not, kid. By writing well, more lines of communication are open and theres less chance of someone misunderstanding you. Question: do you really know what communism is? Sounds to me like you're using the same prejudice that you accused Subdefy of (by creating a sweeping statement without knowing facts).

Originally posted by TrippedOutKid
If you do not write like Shakespeare or Emily Dickonson etc than what you write is not good.


You have clearly never read Shakespeare. Or if you have, it wouldve been a re-written text. Shakespeare is an extremely confusing playwright. Yes, he's good - but if everyone on here wrote like William, then BL would be a very confusing place indeed.

The more articulate one is, the more easily it is for said person to convey their thoughts and emotions.

What i'm trying to say with these two paragraphs, is that it doesnt take much to make your point more accessible to more people.No-one expects anyone to have perfect grammar and spelling or even syntax, just that the person doesnt make a conscious to make it hard to understand.

Originally posted by TrippedOutKid
At least, this is how I percieved a lot of my english classes. Writing evolves and diversifies man. :)


You're over-simplifying.

Originally posted by TrippedOutKid
America is much like a dictatorship. At the least Bush is a dictator and I dare anyone to phrase it any nicer.


No. you've got it wrong there sparky. The Bush administration is a "puppet" government, dictatorship implies an absolute rulership to one man.
 
No I've been lectured on it by a buff on communism and sociology so he has to know this cultural history stuff well. He is very passionate about it to and scared to death it seems. I have a general idea about what it is but I never studied it to that detail like he has but if you look it's all around where you least expect it hidden.

I have read at least three of Shakespeare's plays in depth (whether he wrote them or not lol) and I do know his work of how deep or complex it goes. He makes a lot of subtleties. I do try to thought-provoke though and find it enjoyable so that people have to try to understand me, but at other times I try to speak the other person's language sometimes literally! :) lol Hablo español? Yeah I am simplfying though because of lack of time and resources (I am multi-tasking) to go to a great depth.

As for Bush, I know the man more than you think. He isn't all that bright if you didn't already know :D and so he is susceptable to influence by the military commanders and others but the man does what he wants even if it's not popular. We didn't even vote for him and the elections are rigged. Again this is too simple but I've written plenty on BL and other places or even on my pc in MS Word if you can find them to read. He isn't a dictator, not per say, but not far from and it is like dictatorship. This too is over-simplying but perhaps for another time I can elaborate.
 
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Lacey K, what jobs have you had? When you went to get interviewed, did you speak in ebonics, or did you drop it?

If you dropped it, why? If you didn't, did you get the job?
 
Originally posted by TrippedOutKid
No I've been lectured on it by a buff on communism and sociology so he has to know this cultural history stuff well. He is very passionate about it to and scared to death it seems. I have a general idea about what it is but I never studied it to that detail like he has but if you look it's all around where you least expect it hidden.


Your friend sounds paranoid of it. Fear often blinds people to actually learning about the thing they are scared of.

Hidden communism? you sound like McCarthy :p What i'm saying is it sounds as if his opinion was already biased against it when he first became interested in it, and therefore, and saw what he wanted to.

Originally posted by TrippedOutKid
I have read at least three of Shakespeare's plays in depth (whether he wrote them or not lol) and I do know his work of how deep or complex it goes. He makes a lot of subtleties.


I'm not talking about "indepth" or "subtleties". The man is plain hard to understand in his original writings, people can do their Masters or Doctorates simply on making him easier to understand, try reading "The tragedy of Othello" without footnotes or reading the same lines at least several times.

Originally posted by TrippedOutKid
As for Bush, I know the man more than you think. He isn't all that bright if you didn't already know :D and so he is susceptable to influence by the military commanders and others but the man does what he wants even if it's not popular. We didn't even vote for him and the elections are rigged. Again this is too simple but I've written plenty on BL and other places or even on my pc in MS Word if you can find them to read. He isn't a dictator, no, but not far from and it is like dictatorship. This too is over-simplying but perhaps for another time I can elaborate.


This time you did vote for him. The elections weren't rigged this time. He used propaganda very effectively during the last election, the rest of the world was watching america buy into it, and we stood shaking our heads.

An extremely bad president: yes, a dictator: no. Its a puppet government, you're even alluding to it in that paragraph.
 
Isn't that also called 'street'? lol I think ebonics does work better though because even street has evolved and wasn't always like it is today. Sorry I guess this post is useless but I'm bored and tired.
 
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