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Come on Psychetool, I'm waiting to hear where my analysis breaks down?

Lacey K, I'm not sure you believe what you are saying. How many times have you posted here about not being taken seriously because of the way you type? That is exactly my point. While it SHOULD be about what you say rather than the way you say it, the world just doesnt work like that.

To use your analogy, you use a crystal dish instead of a paper plate for the effect it has on people. You give a paper plate to John Howard, hes going to dismiss you as ghetto trash before he listens to what you say. Is it right? No. But just because its not right doesnt mean its not true. I happen to think you make some very good points, but they tend to be lost because people cant be bothered deciphering the way you speak. This is directly analogous to Psychetool and I. We share the same ideas, but my point is that because of the way he presents them, the vast majority of society is going to write them off without considering them.

I sympathize, but I think you aren't being realistic if you think the way you present information doesnt effect the way in which it is received. But theres a way to prove it. Next time you want to make a point to someone, try screaming at them. Then, try calm, reasoned argument. See which one gets you further.
 
Fuck the fucking pigs!!!! fuck them for putting people in jail. fuck them for enforcing the laws thats only function is to protect the capitalist class system. Fuck them for being so stupid that they don't even realize how they are protecting their own exploitation. Fuck them up their stupid asses.


I fucking hate the "they have good intentions" argument. that's so fucking stupid. Hitler had good intentions. He wanted to purify the human race. Does that make the holocaust a good thing?

Fuck the pigs. They are the droogs of our military industrial complex. They are the walls that the dominant class throws around our lives in order to control and thus extract resources from. they are the fucking problem, and just because society has programed them to be too stupid to see the truth, doesn't mean their actions are acceptable.

fuck them and fuck you if you are too programed to see the chains around your own ankles
 
Once again, telling people that "society has programed them to be too stupid to see the truth" is unlikely to inspire much sympathy for you. While I agree with you, you are helping their cause rather than ours.
 
You are right they do defend fiercely the very system that enslaves them. Mob mentality and fear. It's all the same though. Ever system has it's own barbaric way of handing problems common to all, some of which it creates. Watch Sliders and see various Earths where each political system, capitalism anarchy and communism, are implimented in the U.S. plus some other unique ones and compare them all.

BSA British States of America is the one and I forget the name of the other. There's one (the trailer) where the domino theory goes the opposite way starting with the failure in korea then communism spreads to china and then europe and then america. Another where france has ownership here and yet another where america is new india. They all have their own separate and common problems and they all have barbaric solutions. Some people are killed by choice of lottery and get to live it up first before they drink the painless poison to do a service to their country with population control. Here we send them off to war or let them kill each other in gun fights or ghettos or with drugs and more. In communist america they did it of course with mass violence and exocutions and in BSA they executed and had the revolution against the general population of rich snobs and aristocrats. In yet another they didn't have drugs or antibiotics, just herbals like milk thistle and silkwood etc. They used disease in labs and spread it to the general population and killed off the poor and the rich had shieldings and better protection. They finally found out how to make a antibiotic called penocillian and the leader said you can't keep it from us now and only give it to the rich and we know how to make it. Reminds me of how the AIDS virus is used as a population control on this earth and to kill off minorities that the government and bigots are predjudice towards.
 
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Fallen1 said:
Once again, telling people that "society has programed them to be too stupid to see the truth" is unlikely to inspire much sympathy for you. While I agree with you, you are helping their cause rather than ours.
i'm not sure, but it sounds like you missed the tone of my post. I'm not fishing for sympathy. The only way a change is going to happen is to infiltrate the structures of education and tell the world what is happening. But of course transcendent religosity will have to be distorted as well. But my point is that it is too late to reform most of the people on this board. the change will have to come from the younger generations. These robots have already been bought and sold.
 
Yeah many teachers put themselves and their jobs on the line to bring the extra exduation in the class room that has become so taboo anymore like teaching about communism or drugs or money or sex etc.
 
I'm using sympathy here in the sense of making "normal" society empathize with us, rather than demonising us and throwing us in jail. I think where we differ is, I believe the world already knows whats happening, and they dont care because they have been told, constantly, by sources that they trust, that DRUG USE IS EVIL AND DRUG USERS ARE BAD!!!1111ONEONEELEVEN. Most people choose to believe authority figures rather than deciding yourself, because life is easier that way. But to convince them otherwise, they have to see us as human beings first, and not a bunch of junkies who scream things like "torture the pigs". Likewise, telling people that they have been programmed to think a certain way, while true, usually provokes denial and a fierce defense of those opinions, because no-one likes to admit they have been brainwashed for years.

Its not so much fascist as it is economically rationalist, I think. Money talks.
 
Yeah yeah yeah, you are just the systems bitch. We *can* make changes, and are doing so every single day. It's just getting the changes we want approved, rather then pumping up the privilages and security of these watchdogs. It does happen often though, oregon took a huge cut on the police force just recently due to people just like us showing the state reps exactly how we feel about police action, ect.
 
lacey k said:
If I didnt i wouldnt have said it homie


Lacey he is saying the way you type all hardcore in shit really destroys your argument because when you type like dis and shite you really lose your base argument when you try and sound all hardcore.
 
Fallen1 while money is the root of all power the cops are essentially fascist. You may agree or disagree but if you look at one of those fucking storm troopers. You may see what im saying.
 
Aphex Ecstasy said:
Lacey he is saying the way you type all hardcore in shit really destroys your argument because when you type like dis and shite you really lose your base argument when you try and sound all hardcore.

why would i type any different than i talk
 
Fallen1 said:
I'm using sympathy here in the sense of making "normal" society empathize with us, rather than demonising us and throwing us in jail. I think where we differ is, I believe the world already knows whats happening, and they dont care because they have been told, constantly, by sources that they trust, that DRUG USE IS EVIL AND DRUG USERS ARE BAD!!!1111ONEONEELEVEN. Most people choose to believe authority figures rather than deciding yourself, because life is easier that way. But to convince them otherwise, they have to see us as human beings first, and not a bunch of junkies who scream things like "torture the pigs". Likewise, telling people that they have been programmed to think a certain way, while true, usually provokes denial and a fierce defense of those opinions, because no-one likes to admit they have been brainwashed for years.

Its not so much fascist as it is economically rationalist, I think. Money talks.

I see your point, but to me it goes far beyond drug laws. It's all laws. society functioned fine and with much less crime when the only "laws" were social customs and norms. Laws themselves are illusions that made a stratified class system possible. They are made real by the people who enforce them.

Money is an illusion. It is a tool of exploitation because it gives the illusion that everyone is within the same reach of an autonomous economy. the equality is based on abstracts rather than concrete individual charictaristics. So this illusion of economic equality is the very thing that protects and reinforces the inequalities of our class sytem.
 
TrippedOutKid said:
Question everything.

You speak sense. :)
Your posts in this thread have been quite thought provoking and very well explained. Thanks.

The Matrix analogy was also spot-on!
 
Thanx I still keep having epiphanies left and right from that movie just pop into my head at random times. The movie has so many hidden meanings and it's a shame that most people just watch it or think it is merely entertainment but miss why it is so popular, because it is real. The government is well aware of this but can't ban the movie because it's like a confirmation and people will start looking at the movie deeper. Lots of it was based on religion and culture and pilosophy and if any of you ever have any spare time and are interested, I recommend reading this one book I browsed over of a friend's called The Matrix and Philosophy: Welcome to the Desert of the Real. It's a very good book and explains in detail more things like what I was saying in my own independant analysis. I forgot the ones I read in there but I think the passage I was reading was on free will vs determinism.

Check here for more info on the book
 
lacey k said:
why would i type any different than i talk

So long as you know what you're talking about I see no problems with it. Just a shame (what I think he's getting at) that some stereotypes try to make a person who speaks the english language in a few different ways sound unintelligent. The opposite I think at times is far more true and I know people I'm friends with that support this statement.
 
Psychetool, what are you talking about? Where have I said we can't make changes? The whole point of my argument is that we have to think before we speak to make those changes.

As it happens, I think you play into the systems hands far more readily than I do. You are the reason mainstream society can create a moral panic about out of control drug users looking to bring anarchy and chaos into the majority's ordered lives. The thing is, though, I've backed up why I think this with my helpfully numbered points about creating a threat, threat control, etc. Your post seems to have nothing to do with talking about how the public views us and therefore how they react to us? But assuming it does, in this oregon case you talk about, was it as a result of people screaming TORTURE THE PIGS!!!! in the street or as a result of reasoned evidence being presented? A link to a news site would be useful.

Fascism is a system of Government though. The police can't really be fascist outside of a fascist system, and I dont think the US's system can yet be described as fascist because the Government is largely held responsible to big business. The police themselves may individually hold fascist philosophies, but as I understand it fascism revolves around Government control, and honestly I believe the Government to be largely controlled by big business. Hence, my argument that the police exist to reinforce an essentially economic system
 
^^^ fascism and all other government forms have always been built by and function to protect the economically elite. I don't see how corporate control makes us any less fascist. Yes the real puppetmaster is the economic elite, but fascism (the strings if you will) is the political tool that they are using.


on another note.... with the development of mass media and industry, we have reached a whole new level of mass mind control that organized religion could only dream of reaching. At this point, screaming FUCK THE PIGS is about the only thing the average joe will understand. The powers that be have far too strong a hold on the collective conscious for any sort of conceptual appeal to be effective. We've gone far beyond the point of rational return IMO. A violent revolution perpetuated by catch phrases and propaganda campaigns is the only way to give power back to the people.

The power structure won't just sit back while we explain marxism to the masses. We are going to have to take the power back and show the masses what could be, rather than trying to de-brainwash them.


and on that note... Fuck the police!
 
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