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Stimulants of the Future

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Refluxer said:
Of course it's fishy, and outrageous from a harm reduction POV. BTW On a swedish forum, a guy took one gram of what was sold as R-2-benzhydrolpyrrolidine, but obviously mixed with something else. Then some MDPV to top it. And he didn't make a sound for several days - people grew a bit worried. Anyway, he recently posted again and said he was still slightly on, and IV benzos had not helped very much. Clearly, that forum is not too much of a harm reduction forum. I wonder what the crap was mixed with (and how much) - obviously it had a "taste" of menthol in the nose if you snorted it. Would you get very wired on 50-100 mgs of the supposed compound?

EDIT: The benzos helped, but because of the long duration, as soon as their effect subsided the stimulant effect shot right up again, and many redoses had to be administered. Apparantly, the experience included a 5-day visit to the hospital.
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Actually, if it was the R isomer, he wouldn't need anything else adding to it. I found that 25mg of it (aka diphenyl-2-pyrrolidylmethanol) was enough to keep me typing most of the night. It doesn't have a large euphoria potential, but the recommended dose is 2-4mg; 250-500x that dose would cause days of CNS stimulation as you describe. From memory I think it left a strange 'menthol-like taste in my mouth even from rectal admin. What the hell was anybody doing necking a gram of this stuff - it's like desoxypipradrol & pipradrol in the aspect of physical symptoms of activity. Makes it a bit more difficult to recognize the onset of the drug, but even someone with shit for brains should be able to notice the effects of say 200mg of the (R) isomer as being too much.

Some people are their own worst enemy
 
1-substituted BZP's

Ok so BZP isn't everyones favorite stimulant but what about substitution on the 1-carbon.

Having just looked at the structure of cyclizine (anti-histamine) and bzp in 3-d they appear to overlap a lot.

Possibly a small substitution might have stimulant and anti-histamine properties. (?)
 

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You are in no way obligated to believe a word I say; however, please do refrain from calling me a liar.

By typing "Do Your HW" I mean go whip up a batch and eat some.
 
"You are in no way obligated to believe a word I say; however, please do refrain from calling me a liar."

Just me, or is that sentence illogical.
Either way, I'd like to think bluelight and it's members have a kind of reputation, then really what you're doing is marring it.

Hey, remember the guy who claimed to have made pounds of some fentanyl analogue without a mask, and ended up going insane on here, talking about role playing or something.
 
there seem to be different intentions when it comes to new stimulants. one side wants something providing a good rush and beeing strongly euphoric, kinda legal methamphetamine substitute.
others tend to find some primary safe compounds that can be integrated in their everyday lifes.
both of these profiles in one molecule would be the stimulant of the future but something tells me that this is not possible.

I found that 25mg of it (aka diphenyl-2-pyrrolidylmethanol) was enough to keep me typing most of the night.
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regarding this compound, is it true that, analogous to pipradol and desoxypipradol, it might be more potent without its hydroxy-group?
 
Does anyone have any information on 2-Benzhydryl-pyridine? Unsaturated desoxypipradrol

In a paper I have on dopamine re-uptake inhibitors from the figures it appeared to bind quite well to the DA uptake site compared to other chemicals.

Although as its very planar I assume its quite different from desoxy-pipradrol. Only really become interested in it when I realised the structure of Bisacodyl (an OTC Stimulant laxative). Had that brief thought of "wow cool you could turn an OTC laxative into a stimulant!=D " It probably means 2-Benzhydryl-pyridine has some horrible laxative side effects (as well as many others or reasons why it won't work) even if it did work as a CNS stim.
 
Well, if you can make the pyridine from the laxative, then you can make the piperidine from the laxative.
 
I disagree with MDPVagrant - MDPV is really in the reacreational meth substitute camp. Too compusive to use in low doses long term. Eventually it leads to higher, compulsive dosing in most if not all that take it. Sortof like using coke to get through the day. Works for a while, but eventually will get out of hand.
 
joystick said:
I have a prescription for phenDImetrazine (phenmetrazine with an extra N-methyl group). Phendimetrazine is metabolized by the body, according to my Physician's Desk Reference, to phenmetrazine and phenmetrazine N-oxide. While I enjoy my monthly phendimetrazine fix, it does not compare to methamphetamine. Neither does Ritalin (methylphenidate) or Adderall (amphetamine).

I think clear, recrystallized, nearly pure dl-methamphetamine hydrochloride is probably going to remain king of the stimulants for some time. Its synthesis is easy, it is chemically synthesized from a naturally occurring alkaloid derived from the Chinese ma huang plant, the quality of its high is very good, and the high lasts a long time. However, I would like to try the heretofore unscheduled 2-benzylpiperidine, a methylphenidate analogue designed to have a much longer half life than methylphenidate, as a possible stimulant.

Cocaine doesn't last long enough for me, is too expensive, and has agonizing come downs. Plus, the first thing many people do after doing some cocaine is have to take a nasty shit while they are high. Sure, some cocaine analogues may be very powerful, but they will always be extremely expensive to synthesize as long as they rely on cocaine as their starting material. As for the entactogens, I don't think MDMA / MDA can be beaten either, even though I am on methylone (that is, MDMCAT) right now. OTOH, I would like to try 3,4-dichloromethamphetamine.

Caffeine and nicotine, two legal stimulants, will probably also continue to be used extensively in the future. Speaking of nicotinic agonists, I would also like to try ABT-594.

Modafinil and ephedrine are crap drugs in my opinion.
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Yes meth sooo good but is a very potent and addictive drug, its a pandoras box that must be treated with respect. I live in country were bzp is legal, the high is good like meth but many hot cold flushes, major shrinkage, dehydration, and and the come down is a son of a bitch two days of anger. the tetraflourophenyl piperizine is pretty good the high is nice and happy and talkative, but the comedown is even worse than bzp. Personally i have found selegeline
to be a very good sustainable mood booster with positive side effects such as feeling younger, protecting against cell damage. It is amazing If i was on it i could smoke seven joints before bed, wake up at 6am and feel refereshed and ready to go 365 days of the year.
 
I am not sure either about the physical safety of 2-BzP, specifically a 2-BzP binge (for but one example the risk of dehydration and rhabdomylosis); however, I would only that I not have any now sample
3,4-MDO-2-BzP for the experience if nothing else.

So maybe 2-BzP is probably not for the masses, but an interesting and addictive aside no less nonetheless. Also, there aren't many numbers of people left.

If you're going to be a hard core drug addict, it is a good idea to get stuck with something new periodically I guess--to be a neo-beatnik droga yoga etudiante universal you've got to keep going with the flow and take what good you can get while you can get it. Also know your limits.

Nothing has been lost.
It's all there still.
There is more to be invented and explored.
 
Why put Ph-(CH2)-R ?
Why not just benzyl?

Your names are frequently difficult to interpret.
 
isnt this his intention when posting? ;)

i remember a short table beeing posted here listing 3- and 4-fluoroamphetamine and its affinties for rat brains. did it also feature 3,4-difluoroamphetamine?
 
Well, maybe just me, but I found 4FMP to be a waste of time, money and dopamine. Mildly speedy like amphetamine and no empathogenic effects up to 150 mg. Tried it in combo with methylone and ethylone and only added to the cracked-out comedown. There must be considerable user variability in this molecule, and given the dramatic toxicity of it's close cousins, I am not to enthused by this one...
 
Here's one I haven't seen discussed before: (R)-5-phenyloxazolidine. I did an ACS journal search and a pubmed search and haven't been able to find the compound mentioned. It's almost a cross between phenmetrazine and aminorex. Anyone familiar with this?
 

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