RCs Stimulant with least least side effects (blood pressure, pulse, neurotoxity)

[slimshady793]

Hello,

I am quite experienced with following stimulants. Cocaine, Amphetamines, MDPV, 4-FA.

What I am looking for is a stimulant which doesnt raise blood pressure insanely high, same goes for pulse and of course something not as neurotoxic as Cocaine or 4-FA.

The effects of MDPV seem to be perfect, but the anxiety, bloodpressure and pulse is way too unhealthy, even at low doses.

My psychatriest is thinking about going to prescribe me methylphenidate for short term relief from Derealization/Depersonalization, but it isnt quite sure if its possible because I am not diagnosed with ADS/ADHS.

MDPV helps enorm with DP/DR, but feels way to toxic on my body.

Is there anything which could help with the brain fog, dissociation, feeling clear headed without as much side effects as MDPV and maybe longer duration?

Ethylphenidate seems more like a pretty intense high with same toxic side effects as MDPV. Anything else? The 2 and 4 FA and FMA are too neurotoxic.

 

[phatass]

Modafinil comes to mind...

 

[MakaveliTheDon]

i can't provide a great answer to the OP, but i can say that it is definetely not ritalin. that shit makes me feel like im gonna have a heart attack and beat irregularities.

 

[sekio]

try being sober for a few weeks then have some coffee

 

[slimshady793]

Nothing really helpful, but I appreciate any answer from everybody I dont know how it is in the US or where you live, I live in Germany and its getting hardly prescribed as off label use for depression or DP/DR. Mostly or maybe only for ADS/ADHS.

Which I found extremely helpful and not uncomfurtable was a small oral dose of MDPV from which I didnt feel anything, at least no sign of a "high" and then snorten a normal line of amphetamine. But yeah, its just fucked up that only uppers seem to help which are mostly neurotoxic and cardiotoxic, GABA Drugs which I was already dependend on (GBL and Benzos) I am afraid of the longterm damage that stimulants will cause to me, especially to my heart and I will not go through any GABA withdrawal ever again, not just because the withdrawal is so extreme, but the recovery takes at least a year.

I mean I am doing other things to help to deal with the symptoms, I know that no drug or med will be the holy grail. Meditation helps, exercise, eating healthy and yeah just feeling healthy. Self Expression through writing or rapping helps enormously and socializing of course too. Videogames for example even help if I haven racing suicidal thoughts.

The thing is that I need something that can put me instantly out of extreme phases of depressionen, derealization, racing thoughts, dissociation, lethargy. Because sometimes I feel so bad that nothing makes sense to me. I mean I know what helps me, but when I am at rock bottom my mind doesnt realize it anymore. All I think is everything is hopeless, wont help, I will never feel better again, etc etc etc.

I just cant put me out of this with trying to say to me "man, you know exercise, meditation, etc will help you now" . In these situations I dont realize these things. My whole thinking changes, its just empty, hopeless, suicidal.

Its like even if I had an ecstasy in front of me with lets say 150mg MDMA, my mind doesnt believe anymore that any drug known to man would better anything. But if I would take it for example and the effects started to work, my whole thinking will change again. I just dont get out of these extreme rock bottom downs without anykind of medication or drug.

I wouldnt take things everyday for sure if they helped and didnt have side effects like stimulants, empathogens or GABA substances, but there just isnt anything else, atleast nothing I really have experience with. I am now just speaking of things that help to decrease the dissociative symptoms. Even AL-LAD let me feel more normal than in these situations.

I am just looking for an upper or empathogen that I could take 2 days a week without serious long term effects after lets say doing this for 1 year. Maybe there is an psychedelic which could help in threshold doses that would help, but nothing shroom like. Dont know about the 2cs or shroom derivate chemicals how they work, maybe that could help.

For just the Depression I take Mirtzapine and Tianeptine, both doesnt seem to help in recommended doses. Tianpentine in high attack doses like 50mg however helps almost instanstly against depression, even just lightly mood lifting for an hour or two. Tramadol doesnt have much more effect and Codeine or Kratom doesnt really help either...I just stay in bed till the effects wean off and feel bad again and get nothing done, at least with codeine.

Methoxetamine in not M-hole doses helps with depression too, but not really against the DP/DR which is in my opinion connected with the depression. But even if its an dissociative it doesnt worse it much, I dont know if it even worse it anyway, speaking from small doses of course.

Depressionen isnt really the main problem. The problem is the extreme dissociative state I get and it always goes together with suicidal depression. I mean I was sometimes so disconnected that I would stare for an hour on an empty bottle, bit extreme of an example but yeah after the benzo withdrawal it was almost like that, really intense.

So if anybody can and I dont want to say recommend me something, but tell me something that could have an moodlifting, clear heading, maybe empathogen effect on these dissociative states I would gladly appreaciate that. At least something which I could possible take up to max 2 days a week, so I think MDMA doesnt fit, probably more a stimulant maybe with serotonergic effect.

Thanks for reading and I would be really grateful for any help. I know somebody recommending drugs to medicate himself is somewhat paradox, but I cause more harm to me with experimenting with every chemical combinend in a borderline destructive way than if I knew I have something which helps in these extreme situations

 

[Ksa]

Has to be a combo, no stimulants fits your requirements. The combo will likely be 15mg Dexedrine XR taken with Clonidine IR 0.05mg every 4 hours twice.

Also note that it is a physiological thing. When you meet a girl you love, your heart beats fast. If you took Clonidine for your heart rate to be normal, you wouldn't feel the same about her.

 

[ModerateAbuse]

A-pvp is pretty good to me in comparison with other stims that I have tried. The trick is to micro-dose every few hours. If you're doing it for recreation, it will always be a failure. That's not my mindset. I want to be sharp and talkative instead of tired and introverted all the time. Snorting 10mg of a-pvp a few times a day will not leave you in a hole. I have been doing it for 28 days straight while maintaining my baseline sleeping & eating habits. I wake up every morning feeling just like I always have, tired and introverted. I go about my day normally; sometimes for several hours sober, and start bumping periodically whenever I feel like getting started. If I go an entire day without touching it, there is a small consequence, in that I will be a little more prone to a depressed mood. It's hardly noticeable, though. This stuff is very wacky when you start increasing dosage to combat tolerance. Don't ever do that, and don't ever binge it. Don't ever smoke it, the high is terrible and doesn't last. Everyone that has ever done this stuff seems to just binge until it's gone. I don't know why I'm able to control it, but it just works. I can take a 5mg threshold dose and walk away. Last week I was on vacation and ran out of pvp for the last 2 days. Besides feeling a little sad at night, those 2 days were totally fine! Less is more with a-pvp. I'll update this later because it's time for work.

 

[slimshady793]

Welcome Mate, first post and its was for me the most helpful I tried this with MDPV...I know that I am an idiot eyeballing this stuff, but I measured it a a few times as my digi scale worked and I am 1000% sure that it is always between 3mg and max 10mg, depends on the dose, usually redose only once, I redoses like 5 times one day and the crash was horrible, first time I knew what all these guys talking about. Could even felt getting bit paranoid and was not even awake 24h. However. MDPV in low doses like 1-2mg seems useless and 3-4 I almost always begin to get jittery and feel poisend. I mean it is poison, lol but never had this as I first tried it, the effects too...they are nowhere near the first time I tried it 1-2 times and only once and bombed. Now I sniff it, because oral dosing doesnt work anymore. But I am sure this has to do with the Mirtazapine I take.... But the side effects were not noticable the first time I took it 2 years ago and really really euphoric at the same dose and oral. And the MDPV just looks the same and is from the best vendor in the whole EU. Many are extremely satisfied, so it cant be the MDPV alone.

Its really that bad, side effects wise that I have to take benzos, because I feel really unformatable and it just got worse when the effects wear off. Anxiety, high pulse, etc. more so than during the effects.

But a-pvp...is the same class like mdpv. Is it really smoother than MDPV? I think I read a few negative experiences about it. And yeah, the dosage is always low, the craving is ...non existant would be a lie, but it isnt graving, its like I take it when I wake up, maybe redose once and thats it. And the next day I dont wake up and the first thing comes in mind is taking this stuff.. I generally feel not so great, because of mental health issues and please no "taking drugs will only make it worse" I know it and its true. I will never take anything on a daily basisi again, I just need some "booster" like asterix and obelix (lol) that I can finally go to work and make progress in life instead of staying stagnant like the last 5 years.....

Drugs wasnt the reason for my mental problems, even if its hard to believe for people who dont know me...hell, even those who know me personally think that was the cause, but it was more of a combination of personality disorders (borderline, extremely destructive...but not like cutting, just abusing drugs, spending money I dont have, still stick to people which I dont even really like, and so on) but yeah...the main reason was something traumatic what caused the problems and it is still something which is not solved...Dont wanna go more into details, I think I explained a bit of my background now.

 

[tunesey]

you could try a stimulating strain of Kratom a good green malay is stimulating with out all the rapid heartbeat high blood pressure and all the nasty side effects that go hand in hand with stims

 

[Kilfer]

The OP should perhaps be clearer about his intended use? At therapeutic dosage methylphenidate is one of the stimulants with the less untoward side effect profile but at recreational levels it can be a beotch. Similar considerations apply to other drugs mentioned.

 

[Drumminstoned20]

If you need the amp without the standard bp just pop a little benzo . I use 1 mg klonopin for 50-60 my adderall. May try some Xanax . Valium and Ativan arnt strong enough for anyone I knew to do good in one dose