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Misc Stimulant least likely to give me a mental breakdown?

As i already said, wellbutrim soudned great, but not available in uk :(

I loved how it sounded like a very light amphetamine with the horniness and stimulant benefits while being an easy going antidepressant.
 
I didn't mean to imply bupropion is anti anxiety in my post above.
And sorry I forgot about the availability of it in the UK like you pointed out.
Is it not allowed by law?
It's too bad because when I look back pre wellbutrin there is a difference in me, noteably that I can live without felling depressed a lot and locked into my own mind, in couch lock.

I have been researching memantine lately (but with bupropion, or lately, ritalin ) perhaps look into that?
 
>>>What @SourTulip said. Listen to him. You came for advice and my advice to you is to find a good doctor who can help you sort this out. In my opinion you could benefit from an SSRI; low dose of klonopin and a good therapist for your low self esteem issues (you are not alone). You might be clinically depressed which distorts reality and prevents you from seeing the truth. There is help out there if you really want it.

Sorry Sour. Changed to the proper pronoun.
 
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Berdo tm1 said:
As i already said, wellbutrim soudned great, but not available in uk :(

I loved how it sounded like a very light amphetamine with the horniness and stimulant benefits while being an easy going antidepressant.
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Deplorable situation for you guys :(

Wellbutrin has yet to have any negative effects on me but I stick with the prescribed dose because the fringe minority who abuse it report a high enough incidence of nasty side effects to deter me from ever going that route. The dose I take not only provides near-immediate -albeit subdued- mood lift (only antidepressant to do so afaik) but it also tames stim cravings and do not not mess up stims' effects when I do indulge on occasion, unlike certain other antidepressants do. I hear it can cause insomnia to people who aren't prescribed hypnotics but I wouldn't really know myself since I am prescribed temazepam on a permanent basis.
 
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I just watched a random oyutube vid where some guy was so whacked out he was rolloing on the floor it terified me at the thought of sitmulants agian. scared straight i guess .

Are there any downers in a similar leugue to kratom? From my research everything is serious business when it coms to downers with coma and death being some of the negative side effects not to mention nightmarish withdrawals.

Kratom isnt really hitting the spot for me. Its ok but not quite strong enough to wipe out my existential malaise. Not to metion i can only have it once every 4 days or so. but even then its not totally satifying.

Phenibut sounds worse than benzoes from what i read. Looks like im out of options except for the dreaded anti depressants.
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If Kratom isnt hitting the spot for you try UEI ultra enhanced indo I tried it 2.5 grams had my eyes pinned and I was buzzing my tits off its expensive but by far the best kratom I have ever had it rivals heroin not that I use that shit but have tried it once or twice but the ultra enhanced indo will defo give you a high to rival most opiates
 
I thought of it recently. Not worth the risk^.

I want a decent (not overwhelming) high with minimal risks.

Im also very suseptible to kratom anxiety. Red vein borneo seems to be the strain for me. Getting on really well with that one plus it lasts AGES! Seems to come on real slow like 4 hours to reach the opiate effects then lasts like 9 hours or more. Still not quite a complete high though in my books so Im trying to combine with other of the common herby type things.

Its not that there is alot missing its just that niggling not quite there feeling you get ya know? and taking more would just give me aches and hangovers the next day so dont think stronger kratom or more os the way to go. So gonna try modest modifcation of otehr receptors to mayybe tune it up a bit that way.
 
Berdo tm1 said:
Are there any downers which give you the social push that stims give?
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buprenorphine certainly has a very chatty reputation, for an opioid. Many can attest to that, though - extremely (physically) addictive. With a fairly pro-longed period of acute and post-acute WD.
 
Berdo tm1 said:
coke is one of the most unfuncitonal stims i can think of.

i need something that will give me a social push.

Are there any downers which give you the social push that stims give? nothing that isnt addictive im sure. Phenibut i hear does this but its also wildly addicitve so not worht the risk.

I guess i wouldnt find smoother than 2-fa for a stimulant. still afraid to try it agian tho.
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Phenibut is the first thing that came to mind, before I read your sentence about phenibut. Take it once every 7 days and you won't have any problems with tolerance or withdrawal. I have never had the urge to abuse phenibut, I am super happy with taking it once a week.
 
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Phenibut is way weaker than benzos, idk where you got the impression it was the opposite.
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I think it depends on the dose and the condition of one's GABA system. I get way more of an effect from phenibut than I do taking 10mg of diazepam (it also lasts quite a bit longer). However, I take a fairly heavy dose and I don't drink or take benzos anymore. I have given it to people who do and the effects are definitely minimal.
 
Berdo tm1 said:
coke is one of the most unfuncitonal stims i can think of.

i need something that will give me a social push.

Are there any downers which give you the social push that stims give? nothing that isnt addictive im sure. Phenibut i hear does this but its also wildly addicitve so not worht the risk.

I guess i wouldnt find smoother than 2-fa for a stimulant. still afraid to try it agian tho.
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Oxycodone snorted is what I prescribe to you sir. I'm the exact some as you and oxycodone is my love
 
^^^
The last thing this guy needs is a black market opioid habit!!!
Seriously fella', stay off the stimulants - they reel you in under the guise of being functional but ruin you psychologically without you even noticing.
As cliché as it sounds: see your doctor. Self-medication is a very dark path to go down (it left me addicted to: benzos, opiates, stimulants and alcohol, all at the same time! ), and ultimately is very unsafe.
I speak as someone who uses a stimulant drug multiple times a day to feel normal.... it ain't worth it.

Good luck.
:)
 
I concur with others; stims are not great for you.

If you want to try Kratom though, I recommend a Bali strain. I find them much more sedating than most others, which counteracts a lot of the anxiety.
 
Bupropion hcl (zyban) can be prescribed as "off label" for depression in the UK by a psychiatrist. Many prefer not to prescribe it, but will do as a last resort. I guess you could ask for something for depression but tell them you don't want an SSRI because of the sexual side effects?
 
I think I'm going to give stims one last try in new year to see if I can blast my way out of this pit of mental weakness I've been trapped in for so long. Strictly functional dosing before I want a period of high productivity. Stock myself up on kratom for the tail end.
 
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Pleasde dont play with stimulants if you think your prone to mental health problems.Ive suffered for years doing uppers and downers,one to compensate the other,apart from damaging you physically it definitely sends you over the edge,i know you have this mental lag,but turning to stims is not the answer. Im a hypocrite to a point because i take Kratom daily,this is to stave off withdrawals from strong opiates,i maintain on it and it also helps my productivity,and makes me more content,its basically a good all rounder,works as a mild stim,creates analgesia,is also a calmative and gives anti depressant type effects,its like natures Tramadol.

I also had to quickly cancel an order of Methylone because i wanted a super lift of mood,i knew after ordering that i had done the wrong thing,that it would tip me over the edge,my vendor of old was very understanding and gave me a refund after i told them the truth.
 
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That is sage advice.

I didnt want to take it in when i first read it but just now as my kratom is wearing off for the day i got to thinking conversely how shitty id feel when after taking stims, like your body has been ravaged. The feeling of isolation. Makes me shudder to think.

I worry though what tempations will make me do sometimes. Kratom is really a saviour though cos although i complain about it not being complete sometimes, it really does help dam the tide of desire for worse things.

Phoenix_rising said:
Pleasde dont play with stimulants if you think your prone to mental health problems.Ive suffered for years doing uppers and downers,one to compensate the other,apart from damaging you physically it definitely sends you over the edge,i know you have this mental lag,but turning to stims is not the answer. Im a hypocrite to a point because i take Kratom daily,this is to stave off withdrawals from strong opiates,i maintain on it and it also helps my productivity,and makes me more content,its basically a good all rounder,works as a mild stim,creates analgesia,is also a calmative and gives anti depressant type effects,its like natures Tramadol.

I also had to quickly cancel an order of Methylone because i wanted a super lift of mood,i knew after ordering that i had done the wrong thing,that it would tip me over the edge,my vendor of old was very understanding and gave me a refund after i told them the truth.
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Berdo tm1 said:
I think I'm going to give stims one last try in new year to see if I can blast my way out of this pit of mental weakness I've been trapped in for so long. Strictly functional dosing before I want a period of high productivity. Stock myself up on kratom for the tail end.
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Hate to break it to you, but you'll always be weak so long as you keep looking at drugs as the answer to your life problem.
 
caffeine is the baseline drug for those who like stimulants. I have met some who dont drink coffe but have never met a stimulation junkie who hated the effects of caffeine.

If you cant stand the effects of coffee, then I would strongly advise you not to take any stimulants at all. Cocaine, soda , coffee, cigarettes. Adderall , speed meth ..............

You seem like a down person to me. I find that I am both but perferred cocaine back in my using days. Now I take tramadol and it works great. Very little withdrawl for 2 days then nothing at all -and that is after months of use daily.

Try taking 100-150mg of tramadol and see if the inhibitor raises your mood !
 
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