Misc Stimulant least likely to give me a mental breakdown?

[Berdo tm1]

you don't have to 'enjoy' a substance to be taking it recreationally, but i see your point.

that is a contradiciton in terms :D

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Thinking aobut it in my past 'episides' it wasnt the actual stim which caused the breakdown but always not being able to sleep after, and then i wouldnt sleep for several nights after that for fear of when id finally sleep. I only took modest doses each time so it wouldnt have been the stim stopping me sleep just my extreme paranoia.

I had benzoes a few times but threw them away since i didnt trust them and was scared of it becoming a slippery slope to getting hooked if they worked.

I tried weed last time which was a terrible idea. Just exaserbated the situation.

But kratom i think would be great as long as it didnt cause anxiety at the start. Ive been getting better at avoiding that recently, still a work in progress tho. but i think even if i missed one nights sleep if i took it the next day then most of the stim would have cleared out by then meaning there wouldnt be much or any interaction.

Like i said the good thing wiht kratom is i feel safe with that. Ive had it quite a few times now so know what to expect and am not as afraid of getting addicted to it like other substances cos its not the worst, so people say, tho ofc i am trying to avoid it. Ive found if i take more than 3.5 grams i get a hangover the next day so i dont like any more anyhow.

 

[Jabberwocky]

same in DK benzo is only prescribed short time, to prevent people get hooked on benzo

Not true. Im from DK too and have a long term benzo script. It's not even because Im addicted to them, I get them so that I can take them on an "as needed" basic in order to deal with social anxiety and in my case is an ongoing longterm treatment, I don't think my doc expects me to stop ever unless my anxiety gets better or I start abusing, but I could be wrong about that part. My first benzo script was prescriped over 3 years ago.

 

[keeping]

that is a contradiciton in terms :D

so is 'recreationally' taking stimulants when you obviously can't handle them.

see i'm just trying to make sure you don't lose your already fragile mind man, but go right ahead! :D

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[BENZObrist18]

what the hell is a 'prn kicker'

and etiz is now all but extinct is it not. i had it a cpl times for comedowns it felt ok but i find the active metabolites thing annoying where i felt whacked out well into the next day.

pyrazolam sounds nice in terms of not cuasing gorginess and having no active metabolites. tho i havent dared to mess with benzzoes.

etizolam is still very much around. you just need to know where to look.

 

[Berdo tm1]

wink wink nudge nudge!

 

[ShaunG]

Not true. Im from DK too and have a long term benzo script. It's not even because Im addicted to them, I get them so that I can take them on an "as needed" basic in order to deal with social anxiety and in my case is an ongoing longterm treatment, I don't think my doc expects me to stop ever unless my anxiety gets better or I start abusing, but I could be wrong about that part. My first benzo script was prescriped over 3 years ago.

Ya and that's not a good idea. That's how I get mine too...as needed. I rarely abused in the past 4 years, but eventually I nneded a benzo to sleep. Now my anxiety has chilled out and I want off, but I am physically dependent. I tapered in 2 months and ended up in the ER with undiagnosed gastrointestinal issues. I went back on my dose and everything went back to normal. Fuck benzos...if u don't really need me stay away.

 

[adrenalinerushes]

Vyvanse. the delivery mechanism makes the come up and come down invisible. I had the worst comedowns when I was using Adderall, even when I still use it from time to time. Maybe just keep some stuff around if you're worried about the comedown, like benzos, weed, people to talk to or funny movies to watch. Plan for it. Also suggest looking into Vyvanse. I believe it is more popular among some stim users due to the fact that there's nearly no come down and if there is, it's nothing to be worried about, you'll probably just get hungry. I take 40mgs a day.

 

[tunesey]

you don't have to 'enjoy' a substance to be taking it recreationally, but i see your point.

in the UK we cannot be prescribed benzodiazepines for more than four weeks due to habit-forming issues. i see you are from Canada, where medical opinions differ.
i would advise against taking them once weekly for an indefinite period, as tolerance can form.
i have a severe panic disorder; the reason i don't take pills anymore is after a fair while they stopped working, and rebound symptoms were even worse than the original condition.

he said he would like to know all possible eventualities, so there they are.

I am from the UK and been on benzos for a year prescribed

 

[Berdo tm1]

I think that benzoes are a larger demon than stims.

The advatage of sitms is if you can manage the comedown you are in the clear pretty much since they arent physically addicitve.

2-fa is a better bet than vyvanse i think, shorter half life plus you yankees forget that us brits cant get prescriptions drugs at the drop of a hat like you guys can.

Woohooo today is kratom day for me so I get a break form my misery for a few hours!

 

[DrGreenthumb]

Berdo said he doesn't find them recreational. I have chronic anxiety with the occasional panic attack and I have never found benzos recreational. Thru just help ease the anxiety. The thing is you need something as your primary drug do you are not tempted to take your benzo on the daily. I have refillable scripts and always have some left at the end of the month (and I only get 30, and use 2 per dose).. I would go thru even fewer if it weren't for RLS

Problem is, it's only temporary anxiety relief, then there's rebound anxiety when they wear off that could be worse than the original anxiety. It's easy to get into a habit, tolerance develops, then they provide little anxiety relief, chronic anxiety sets in & you'll have a hell of a time tapering off them slowly.

Doctors here wont usually prescribe them for more than 4 weeks for anxiety, for good reason. You'd be more likely to be put on SSRIs if it was for chronic anxiety - I'm not sure they're really any better though. They'll maybe prescribe benzos more readily as a muscle relaxant for something like RLS.

Again, I never heard of anybody having a mental breakdown from drinking tea. If you go for harder stims then you're playing with fire, especially in the state of mind the OP seems to be in. Don't take benzos to counter the side effects of stims except in emergencies, make sure it doesn't become a regular stim & benzo habit. Just take less stims, or much weaker ones.

 

[Berdo tm1]

what does drinking tea have to do wiht anything

 

[adrenalinerushes]

^ You do realise that people are telling you not to take stimulants for your own good, right? It's not like the whole BL community has decided to go against you or anything, people are just trying to help you so don't get all defensive just because you aren't getting told what you would like to hear. No one would tell you to take stimulants based on the information that you provided, it simply wouldn't be good advice you know?

If you actually believe that your statement regarding women and their power holds true then you are already being borderline-psychotic as far as im concerned and stimulants should be considered a no-go at any rate.
I don't think anyone is going to give you dating/self help advice 'cause it's pretty obvious that you wouldn't listen, even if you were handed the best of advice on a silver plate.
Please, do yourself the favor and listen to what these people has to say because their advice is based on knowleadge, experience and the motivation of helping you the best they can, there is no witch hunt going on what so ever.
I hope you'll figure something out, it's clear to me that you are very frustrated and I know how frustration can change your perception of reality to the worse, you might even start to look so deep into things that you start seeing stuff that aren't really there. Which I think is the case with your women and power statement. Not that there's not some truth to it, it's just a very one sided way to look at that particular situation.

completely the best advice on this post. you should also get some blood work done. i was having uncontrollable anxiety, saw a doctor, and it ended up being due to low thyroid levels and a cancerous growth in the middle of my neck. you most likely do NOT have cancer, i chose to use my situation as example because the blood labs actually showed why my anxiety was so so bad. maybe your body is trying to tell you something. or maybe your brain is trying to do that? these people here are very smart, and have your best interest in mind, it's probably best for you to take it into consideration, i regret suggesting vyvanse to you. oops. i hadn't read very thoroughly when i responded with that. won't make that mistake again.

peace, love, and good health to you. i hope you find what is best for you.

 

[Berdo tm1]

I just watched a random oyutube vid where some guy was so whacked out he was rolloing on the floor it terified me at the thought of sitmulants agian. scared straight i guess .

Are there any downers in a similar leugue to kratom? From my research everything is serious business when it coms to downers with coma and death being some of the negative side effects not to mention nightmarish withdrawals.

Kratom isnt really hitting the spot for me. Its ok but not quite strong enough to wipe out my existential malaise. Not to metion i can only have it once every 4 days or so. but even then its not totally satifying.

Phenibut sounds worse than benzoes from what i read. Looks like im out of options except for the dreaded anti depressants.

 

[f33lg00d]

Phenibut is way weaker than benzos, idk where you got the impression it was the opposite.

 

[Berdo tm1]

Well the withdrawals they say rival benzoes and they come on so much faster.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Depends upon the dose I think, as phenibut really only hits gaba-a at high doses

 

[Berdo tm1]

Since when has gaba b been any less addicitve? ghb/gbl etc.

 

[f33lg00d]

I don't see them rivally any more then the lowest dose possible benzo habit. I would recommend sedatives to you instead of uppers. Yes they have withdrawal if abused, but if you abuse stims (ie binge multiple days way less than it would take to get withdrawals from sedatives) you're going to go psychotic and that's much more dangerous than withdrawal. At least imo for you mr. bearded dude.

 

[Berdo tm1]

That leads to what i was also going to ask... are downers more pschologically addictive than uppers? since ive never had troubles with binging on uppers, coke speed etc. Sure i would have a little 'run' with coke but then i knocked it on the head when i was going to fial uni. so if i can keep psychoogical addiction in check then i dont have to worry about physical do i but it has felt like 'dicing with death/tempting fate' even though ive never really tried downers much before except for one offs and been too scared to enjoy them when i did?

The couple of times I took benzoes they did feel kind of good but not really recreational imo tho i think i would appreciate them more now. Im guessing a low dose of benzo might be useful to knock out social anxieties/inhibitions low enough not to slow my mind down.

What downer rivals stimulants in terms of the self confidence and social push you would get? I am after all seeking to use the drugs as a tool to accrue some real social life again then i will dorp them once the crutches are no longer needed. When i first started taking kratom it did make me feel a really warm internal cofidence but i dont really feel that much any more just slight comfortable feeling. GHB soudns nice in terms of effects but scared of that steep dose/response curve. I guess phenibut would be the logical aternative?

Ive never gone on binges with stims tbh (except one 3 day/night binge of mdma but that was once ever and there was indeed hell to pay for 2 months thereafter; and a little bit with coke). even when i took speed one dose would keep me high for too long anyway. but downers sound good to me cos there isnt that danger of psychosis you just fall asleep if you take too much (within reaosn ofc)- i just worry that if you fall into the 'habit' then all of a sudden your addicted- but i havent had any troubles or inclination to take kratom more so far so maybe other downers would be the same.

I don't see them rivally any more then the lowest dose possible benzo habit. I would recommend sedatives to you instead of uppers. Yes they have withdrawal if abused, but if you abuse stims (ie binge multiple days way less than it would take to get withdrawals from sedatives) you're going to go psychotic and that's much more dangerous than withdrawal. At least imo for you mr. bearded dude.

 

[PowerFarts]

if you get mental breakdowns from uppers.. i will suggest u to never take mdma. when the drug does'nt work any more.. u get very fucked up on a mental way in the head...

The OP is having breakdowns BEFORE the stims even take effect! Just from worry about the effects.

Perhaps the OP needs anti-anxiety meds.

Wellbutrin, helps with ADD, depression and makes one horny as hell.