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Misc Stimulant least likely to give me a mental breakdown?

See, saying you were using for recreational, but not only want to take it for functionality and a "mild buzz"... that's pretty much taking it recreationally again.

You truly are a poor candidate for stims. You shouldn't really get the "mid week blues" from 2-FMA, it's not a strong serotonin releaser. I'm pretty sure it's mostly all dopamine, and even then it's so light as a stimulant overall. You saying this happens basically tells me there is no "good" stim for you.

Avoid them.
 
if i was you.. and i soffer from anxiety.. mental breakdown,, and all those negative things.. and even if u had mentality as a lion.. i will stay LONG away from RC drugs. new drugs where the side effexts not known/ found yet.. if you are unlucky u will end on a psychiatric hospital.. its the same like playing russian roulette with your life..

i you want to roll... stick with those there have been testet and known for there side effects...

amphetamine

mdma

cocaine


but with your mind and psyche.. I would suggest. to enjoy benzo's and weak opiates. instead of... example, codeine or low dose morphine oral dose pills 30mg or so.... not together.. many people make alarm signs when there combinated... i have mix it tons of times stong opiates and benzo with beers, and good messy harsish gives an crazy nice buzz.. but I would not suggest it. you only want to experiment with it if you have a tollerance to both morphine and benzodiazepines
 
So you guys wont let me take stimulants...i should just wallow in the misery of my pathetic existence

Maybe i should stronger downers then?

i just need a confidence boost to kick this crippling low self esteem and loathing of the unfairness of the world that the opposite sex gets 100% of their power for doing absolutely nothing in life except for existing and having certain body parts. just something to let my mind wash that grotesque chasm of disparity away for a few hours. and dont you dare start giving me dating/self help tips. the same empty platitiudes ive heard 1billion and 63 times before.
 
^ You do realise that people are telling you not to take stimulants for your own good, right? It's not like the whole BL community has decided to go against you or anything, people are just trying to help you so don't get all defensive just because you aren't getting told what you would like to hear. No one would tell you to take stimulants based on the information that you provided, it simply wouldn't be good advice you know?

If you actually believe that your statement regarding women and their power holds true then you are already being borderline-psychotic as far as im concerned and stimulants should be considered a no-go at any rate.
I don't think anyone is going to give you dating/self help advice 'cause it's pretty obvious that you wouldn't listen, even if you were handed the best of advice on a silver plate.
Please, do yourself the favor and listen to what these people has to say because their advice is based on knowleadge, experience and the motivation of helping you the best they can, there is no witch hunt going on what so ever.
I hope you'll figure something out, it's clear to me that you are very frustrated and I know how frustration can change your perception of reality to the worse, you might even start to look so deep into things that you start seeing stuff that aren't really there. Which I think is the case with your women and power statement. Not that there's not some truth to it, it's just a very one sided way to look at that particular situation.
 
Sourtulip said:
Maybe a low dose of Phenibut would suit your needs. I find it to be quite stimulating for the first 5 hours or so, then it becomes more mellow and relaxing.
It shouldn't give you problems with anxiety or sleep, quite the opposit unless you abuse it of course.
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W/Ds from phenibut are not that bad just the shivers and clenching of the jaw it does go on a while though like 12 hours or so and that is off a small binge. I think you abuse this for some time and the W/Ds are gonna hit you harder than a 12 hour dose of the flu. I had this the other day after taking Phenibut 4 days in a row. I jumped into the hottest bath ever and emerged like a prune as I was in there 2 hours.

I think that is the first time I have had withdrawal symptoms from any drug I thought I was being careful. A day on the sofa with some DVDs and I was right as rain. I think if you hit that stuff for longer trouble would ensue
 
i know i was jsut venting and anyone might catch the collateral damage when the toxic bile spews forth i find it hard to control its trajectory. i blame this maslevolent venal world for punishing me at every turn.

Sourtulip said:
^ You do realise that people are telling you not to take stimulants for your own good, right? It's not like the whole BL community has decided to go against you or anything, people are just trying to help you so don't get all defensive just because you aren't getting told what you would like to hear. No one would tell you to take stimulants based on the information that you provided, it simply wouldn't be good advice you know?

If you actually believe that your statement regarding women and their power holds true then you are already being borderline-psychotic as far as im concerned and stimulants should be considered a no-go at any rate.
I don't think anyone is going to give you dating/self help advice 'cause it's pretty obvious that you wouldn't listen, even if you were handed the best of advice on a silver plate.
Please, do yourself the favor and listen to what these people has to say because their advice is based on knowleadge, experience and the motivation of helping you the best they can, there is no witch hunt going on what so ever.
I hope you'll figure something out, it's clear to me that you are very frustrated and I know how frustration can change your perception of reality to the worse, you might even start to look so deep into things that you start seeing stuff that aren't really there. Which I think is the case with your women and power statement. Not that there's not some truth to it, it's just a very one sided way to look at that particular situation.
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its the anxiety i worry about since i have that pretty much 24/7 already, i worry aobut rebound anxiety with that stuff. also as i said i dont like thigns with a long half life cos i feel less in control of when i get off the ride. kratom is great and its been a great sanctuary for me but it isnt quite strong enough, or it doesnt give me motivational impetus to battle my social demons head on.

tunesey said:
W/Ds from phenibut are not that bad just the shivers and clenching of the jaw it does go on a while though like 12 hours or so and that is off a small binge. I think you abuse this for some time and the W/Ds are gonna hit you harder than a 12 hour dose of the flu. I had this the other day after taking Phenibut 4 days in a row. I jumped into the hottest bath ever and emerged like a prune as I was in there 2 hours.

I think that is the first time I have had withdrawal symptoms from any drug I thought I was being careful. A day on the sofa with some DVDs and I was right as rain. I think if you hit that stuff for longer trouble would ensue
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Berdo tm1 said:
its the anxiety i worry about since i have that pretty much 24/7 already, i worry aobut rebound anxiety with that stuff. also as i said i dont like thigns with a long half life cos i feel less in control of when i get off the ride. kratom is great and its been a great sanctuary for me but it isnt quite strong enough, or it doesnt give me motivational impetus to battle my social demons head on.
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You should get some blood work done and make sure everything is right. Have them check testosterone too assuming you are male. I'm serious. It could be causing the anxiety and lack of motivation.
 
Berdo tm1 said:
loathing of the unfairness of the world that the opposite sex gets 100% of their power for doing absolutely nothing in life except for existing and having certain body
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Haha you hate women because your a failure? I know many women that work very hard for their money and has nothing to do with women- more often then not despite being a women. You sure you don't just hate them because your a spiteful old virgin?
 
I would say MEN have more power due to their body parts! But anyway....
You're looking for something to tackle anxiety. Have you tried a low dose anti anxiety med with a benzo PRN kicker? How about etiz?
 
what the hell is a 'prn kicker' :P

and etiz is now all but extinct is it not. i had it a cpl times for comedowns it felt ok but i find the active metabolites thing annoying where i felt whacked out well into the next day.

pyrazolam sounds nice in terms of not cuasing gorginess and having no active metabolites. tho i havent dared to mess with benzzoes.
 
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^ on that note i remmerbed the other day probably the mildest stim i tried was mdppp but it was also so weak as to not really be worth tkaing at all yet leaving a lingering residual stimulation.

can you take benzoes once a week and not have problems? treat them like i would stims? i dont really find them recreational so dont see any cause to want to take regular; but ye beign the hypochondriac i am im still to scared of the what ifs.
 
I would refrain from taking any type of stimulants if they caused me to have a mental breakdown.
 
u can take all the uppers you want to. all the new funny letter/numbers drugs... but when u get fucked up nobody can help you.. even if there want to
 
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Berdo tm1 said:
can you take benzoes once a week and not have problems? treat them like i would stims? i dont really find them recreational so dont see any cause to want to take regular; but ye beign the hypochondriac i am im still to scared of the what ifs.
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recreationally abusing benzodiazepines is a real easy way to exacerbate an already pre-existing anxiety issue.
 
PRN is med speak for 'as needed'

And x with a y kicker just means that y is a complement to x. X being the primary drug.. Like for chronic pain you'd take an extended release drug with an instant release PRN kicker.
 
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recreationally abusing benzodiazepines is a real easy way to exacerbate an already pre-existing anxiety issue.
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Berdo said he doesn't find them recreational. I have chronic anxiety with the occasional panic attack and I have never found benzos recreational. Thru just help ease the anxiety. The thing is you need something as your primary drug do you are not tempted to take your benzo on the daily. I have refillable scripts and always have some left at the end of the month (and I only get 30, and use 2 per dose).. I would go thru even fewer if it weren't for RLS
 
Bliss26 said:
Berdo said he doesn't find them recreational. I have chronic anxiety with the occasional panic attack and I have never found benzos recreational. Thru just help ease the anxiety. The thing is you need something as your primary drug do you are not tempted to take your benzo on the daily. I have refillable scripts and always have some left at the end of the month (and I only get 30, and use 2 per dose).. I would go thru even fewer if it weren't for RLS
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you don't have to 'enjoy' a substance to be taking it recreationally, but i see your point.

in the UK we cannot be prescribed benzodiazepines for more than four weeks due to habit-forming issues. i see you are from Canada, where medical opinions differ.
i would advise against taking them once weekly for an indefinite period, as tolerance can form.
i have a severe panic disorder; the reason i don't take pills anymore is after a fair while they stopped working, and rebound symptoms were even worse than the original condition.

he said he would like to know all possible eventualities, so there they are.
 
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