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Heroin Still sore on day 28 of heroin withdrawl?

If you're taking Xanax for sleep at night only, why not switch to something like Trazadone? A Xanax habit is the last thing you need right now.

Going back to Heroin would be the dumbest thing to do.. you made it 50 days without using, you can't give up now. You will have to go through this again (and probably worse) if you decide to go back on Heroin. Another option is Suboxone. I've been on it for years and it definitely helped me clean up my life and be normal but if I had to do it all over, I would have tried to stick it out like you a little longer because detoxing off Suboxone will be difficult. I think you are making the best decision by continuing the detox of dope and in a few days you will be better.

About working out.. even if its just push ups and sit-ups in your house before bed, do something to get tired and workout the muscles. If you sit in front of a TV and do this it will distract you and hopefully you won't be thinking about RLS, dope, or aches. If you're going to ache in the morning anyways, it may as well be because you're working out.
 
Maybe I got the long end of the stick, but ive had to stop using heroin many times and my WDs really only last 2 weeks at the max...some of you guys have had symptoms even after 30 days? Wicked...well, the above poster is 100% right, do NOT go back to dope just cuz your legs bother you, you toughed out over a month and a half or whatever it is now, tough out the rest. Frankly I admire you, it's very difficult to just bang your chest, shout "I am man" and stop using heroin. Congrats on that bro.
 
Back again.......Thanks to everyone for posting.........Uhmm yeh, i relapsed after going over 90 days........i was almost back to normal and thought i could just dabble once or twice.......nope, used for a while again.......and was back to using about 2 g's every day and a half......anyways, luckily i had some suboxone to use as 'landing gear'.......i'm a week clean again now and am about back where i started before i 'lapsed'.........i'm counting my blessing that I didn't go through the demonic withdrawl this time.

Legs are still sore....RLS.....like i said, i'm basically back to where i was at the 90 day mark and all i can do is listen to LoC and fast ish like that.....i feel like breaking stuff.......i did brake out my bmx yesterday and that helped.

peace everyone.
Benway
 
I've also been told that as you use and block your receptors, your body creates more and more to substitute.......so when you quit junk, your body has more than a normal number of receptors all screaming for junk.......sensing pain that isn't really there because they haven't felt any pain for ever.

Anyone know anything about this aspect?

peace
 
low doses of kratom.. maeng da i use. 3.5 to 5 grams and helps alot to keep your mind off getting high.. i been 2 weeks good now and been using nothing but kratom.. and tapering from that..
 
low doses of kratom.. maeng da i use. 3.5 to 5 grams and helps alot to keep your mind off getting high.. i been 2 weeks good now and been using nothing but kratom.. and tapering from that..

i've never heard of it.......i'll try to look locally...........question: u said ur 'tapering' from that......is it addictive?

thanks for helping!
 
low doses of kratom.. maeng da i use. 3.5 to 5 grams and helps alot to keep your mind off getting high.. i been 2 weeks good now and been using nothing but kratom.. and tapering from that..

Kratom will help but don't try to get it locally you will just get ripped off. Yes it can be addictive but you need to abuse it pretty hard, and from what I've heard it's nowhere near as bad as being dopesick.
 
it is possible to get RLS from benzos. I'm still in PAWS after 2 months at zero (oxy/methadone, then sub for three weeks) and both temazepam and clonazepam give me bad RLS. As does clonidine and, well, everything. the RLS and sleeplessness usually lets up at around 4:00 a.m., and I have to get up at 7:15 for work. Pacing helps. Oddly, I can sleep till 10:00 if I'm not working--I love those days. It is getting better and better overall, especially when I exercise.

Weather is no excuse not to exercise, as there are now facilities called gyms that are impervious to weather. ;-)
 
H/Opi WD

I dont know why I NEVER see this in help forums but DRINK WATER! Seriously during w/d make sure you drink water/gatorade ect it helps soooooooo much.... I just had to do 3 days in jail for failing a drug test and Im home and I feel perfectly fine. I had no meds and all I did was drink water constantly. It helps flush all the chemicals faster to let your body adjust back to normal. So far I have no nausea no RLS no headaches or pain.

GOOD LUCK & yes W/Ding is tough but worth it. You dont realize what senses youve lost till you get them back!!!=D<3:\
 
Good Morning.

I am now on day 28 of heroin withdrawal and I'm still sore in my arms and calves.......especially at night.....I still have RLS and having trouble sleeping.

First advice... DON'T COUNT THE DAYS. I know that's what they want you to do in NA/AA programs... but as far as I'm concerned, it's just a constant reminder. And it's nothing to be proud of... "oh, I stopped being an idiot and shooting junk in my veins for 30 days after 5 years of ruining my life!"...

When you have to try to remember how many days since you divorced the needle, that's good.

When you can't remember, that's better.

When you don't even think to try to remember, the divorce is final.

I was using heroin for three years and also using suboxone here and there between heroin scores. I withdrew like 2 years ago & it only lasted like 4-5 days and I was fine, just edgy.........But this time, 28 days and still sore? I'm not quite sure what gives.......I'm trying to decide if I'm also withrdawling from subox on top of the heroin.

I don't think there is a magic number of days. I was on/off for years. As time went on and my runs got longer and deeper, it went from 30 days to 60 days. And that's just when you stop aching and feeling like shit all of the time. It takes about twice that long for you to start to get normal again and not think about it all the time.

[quote[Basically, I'm just ready to feel normal again and to sleep. I've read a lot about PAWS and understand it can last a long time.......I can deal with the mental boredom etc; but I'm just ready to stop hurting.[/quote]

The mental part was a lot harder for me. But the times I kicked were when I wasn't working (why I had to quit) and then I would just go back to my parents house and sweat it out and they would keep me on lock down... there was only so much I could steal and pawn before they started to notice...

It's hard to say.

And I HATE preachy people or whatever... but here is my advice.. just keep it up. Nothing is really going to help that much other than good diet, exercise and ibuprofen. And my preachy part: it get's worse EVERY time you do this.

I would kick and get over it for months.. then something would happen.... and it was like an instinct... if I was stressed and sore from work or whatever, all I knew was to go back to and shoot dope. I'd chip. And usually that would lead back to a run and I can't even tell you how many DUI's, car wrecks, going through WD without ANYTHING again... when you're not even really getting high or you have to do so much that you just nod off and can't enjoy it..what's the point?

And what finally got me to stop altogether... I overdosed... I was in my computer chair and my head fell down to my chest and I lost oxygen.... I had a hypoxic brain injury and was hospitalized for three weeks. And you know what the first thing I did when I got home? Looked in my room for all of my stashes spots... my parents and girlfriend got everything... that's how fucking low I got. I literally had to learn how to walk and talk and read again - and that was the first thing I did when I got home, look for the rest of my dope. I'm glad I never found it.

Whatever. I'm not squeaky clean. I'm not perfect. But I haven't messed with heroin since that fateful day in 2007. Because every single time, the same thing would inevitably happen. I would end up back in Baltimore or Willimantic and it took permanent brain damage and the inability to drive for a year for me to finally get it.[/quote[

[quote[Does anyone have advice? I have been taking Hylands Restful legs and Xanax each night to be able to sleep. I also understand my potassium was probably zapped by the Heroin.......and i've been eating bananas, drinking OJ, and taking a vitamin with potassium in it.[/quote]

Everything you mentioned there is right. Only I would want to use a benzo with a longer half-life... more like Klonopin or Valium. Xanax is just not good for WD's.

I really don't think there is much more than you can do. Just stop counting the days. You're almost there.

I'm just frustrated at this point.

I know exactly what you mean. I've been there at least a dozen times in a 10 year period. I would go as far as I could until I was arrested or lost my job or ran out money and/or things to pawn.

Just remember what this feels like now and keep it in mind that everytime you go back, you'll have to feel like this again, only it's worse every single time.

Again, I really hate to be preachy. But I'm just trying to tell you straight up and not sugar coat anything.

Also, not my SN. I hate this SN. I created it in 2003 when I was kicking. I had another SN, but I forgot the PW after I ODed and my GF and parents went through everything and found my booklet with PW's (not that they knew what sites or anything they were for, but they tossed it), so I had to go back to this SN. I fucking hate it. I hate remembering, I hate thinking about it. The only good thing that came out of everything was that it was like a reset button and I got to start over. So I'm back in college getting the degree I should have had 10 years ago, a few credits at a time.
 
i was using oxy/roxy (snorting) 5 months then switched between snorting heroin/oxy/roxy for 5 months snorthing then 1 month of IV (20-25 bags of nj h a day) . went to detox where i was on suboxone for a little over a week then to rehab and i didnt feel "normal" for about a month so if youve been using for 3 years it should take you a little while to be 100% and even then it wont be perfect like it was before using but hang in there because it gets better. it was rough for me the first 2 1/2-3 months but then i fucked up and relapsed and it just isnt worth it at all. just hang
 
UPDATE:

I've been off heroin for 2 weeks now. However, I am using approximately a milliagram of suboxone a day to prevent withdrawl..........At this point, I have about 8 milligrams left, which should be about 8 days worth for me.

I went to see a suboxone doctor, who basically treated me like trash. He pegged me as someone wanting to be a lifetime legal junkie before he even came into the room to talk to me. He said If i wasn't willing to go inpatient to detox, then I didn't have motivation to get clean. WTF? how does that make sense? I'm sure he get tons of people daily wanting to use the system.......But i told him I wanted tapered off ASAP!, as fast as he could do it and he refused........I advised him that I could not go inpatient for 3 reasons.

A. I cannot get leave of absence for my job.
B. I'm working on my bachelor's degree full time.
C. Why go inpatient to detox from suboxone (since i haven't done heroin in 2 weeks); only to be put right back on suboxone for an immediate taper???

I genuinely want help dealing with this and getting clean........and I can't find the help I need.
This doctor told me that if I wasn't willing to go inpatient then I might as well just go use heroin?? What kind of statement is that?? What kind of person says that.

I don't want to be on either substance, heroin or suboxone.........I want tapered off suboxone asap under medical direction..........I don't know how to do it myself.

So right now my plan is: quit the suboxone cold turkey after this last 8 mg is gone. BUT i'm making appointments w/ 2 other addiction doctors in case I can't do this myself......Also, even If I do get clean myself, it would be nice to consult a doctor regarding dealing with the residual pain in my legs.

Does this sound like a decent plan? Anyone have any thoughts on this ?
 
yall must know some sketchy ass people if your able to get H on the daily8o ......perhaps you chouls change your social scene and then watch the Benjamins fly!!
 
UPDATE:

I've been off heroin for 2 weeks now. However, I am using approximately a milliagram of suboxone a day to prevent withdrawl..........At this point, I have about 8 milligrams left, which should be about 8 days worth for me.

I went to see a suboxone doctor, who basically treated me like trash. He pegged me as someone wanting to be a lifetime legal junkie before he even came into the room to talk to me. He said If i wasn't willing to go inpatient to detox, then I didn't have motivation to get clean. WTF? how does that make sense? I'm sure he get tons of people daily wanting to use the system.......But i told him I wanted tapered off ASAP!, as fast as he could do it and he refused........I advised him that I could not go inpatient for 3 reasons.

A. I cannot get leave of absence for my job.
B. I'm working on my bachelor's degree full time.
C. Why go inpatient to detox from suboxone (since i haven't done heroin in 2 weeks); only to be put right back on suboxone for an immediate taper???

I genuinely want help dealing with this and getting clean........and I can't find the help I need.
This doctor told me that if I wasn't willing to go inpatient then I might as well just go use heroin?? What kind of statement is that?? What kind of person says that.

I don't want to be on either substance, heroin or suboxone.........I want tapered off suboxone asap under medical direction..........I don't know how to do it myself.

So right now my plan is: quit the suboxone cold turkey after this last 8 mg is gone. BUT i'm making appointments w/ 2 other addiction doctors in case I can't do this myself......Also, even If I do get clean myself, it would be nice to consult a doctor regarding dealing with the residual pain in my legs.

Does this sound like a decent plan? Anyone have any thoughts on this ?

It sounds like an alright plan. But I would l recommend going to www.suboxone.com and finding a suboxone Dr., not one that specializes in other drug addictions.

If you have 8mg's of suboxone left, I would try skipping days before you completely stop. Also try to break the last ones down to even smaller doses.

Find a Dr. that will work with you. Go on a low dose of suboxone a day and move on with your life.
 
It sounds like an alright plan. But I would l recommend going to www.suboxone.com and finding a suboxone Dr., not one that specializes in other drug addictions.

If you have 8mg's of suboxone left, I would try skipping days before you completely stop. Also try to break the last ones down to even smaller doses.

Find a Dr. that will work with you. Go on a low dose of suboxone a day and move on with your life.

Unfortunately; I went to a doctor and was turned away. He had me pegged as someone who wanted to use the system before he even met me.

I told him I wanted tapered as soon as possible & that I didn't want to be on suboxone forever. But he wouldn't help me.

He said if I wasn't willing to go inpatient, then I'm not motivated enough to take the steps to get clean..........How is that true? Why would I go inpatient to detox from suboxone only to be put right back on it. I've had no heroin for 2 weeks at this point. Doesn't make sense to me.

Anyways, i'm going to just go cold turkey again and will keep you all updated. I think i should be okay because I've been on subox for 2 weeks now. So the H is definitely out of my system.

Benway
 
Update:

I quit the "H" 2 weeks ago or more....then did subox for approx two weeks, using not but 1mg a day.......then I quit that.......So at this point. i'm on day 4 of withdrawl....it's very very mild this time....but still struggling to sleep at night and my body is sore, mostly my arms......
 
First off, thank you all for responding. Some quick updates before my laptop goes dead. I got on suboxone back in June, and was taking at most 6mg a day......then down to 4 normally.....2mg ever so often.......Anyways, i just got fed up and quit the bupe like 6 days ago. I'm feeling pretty rugged.....but this is a cakewalk compared to that last withdrawl i went through (i was 90 days and still not 100% normal again. Today, is going into day 7.....A majority of my achiness has gone away, but my stomach is totally wrecked....I will update further in a few hours. Again, thanks to everyone for the replies. Peace and Blessings, Benway189
 
Good to see you are getting there! Congratulations....just keep it up. Life is better when you're clean!
 
First advice... DON'T COUNT THE DAYS. I know that's what they want you to do in NA/AA programs... but as far as I'm concerned, it's just a constant reminder. And it's nothing to be proud of... "oh, I stopped being an idiot and shooting junk in my veins for 30 days after 5 years of ruining my life!"...

When you have to try to remember how many days since you divorced the needle, that's good.

When you can't remember, that's better.

When you don't even think to try to remember, the divorce is final.



I don't think there is a magic number of days. I was on/off for years. As time went on and my runs got longer and deeper, it went from 30 days to 60 days. And that's just when you stop aching and feeling like shit all of the time. It takes about twice that long for you to start to get normal again and not think about it all the time.

[quote[Basically, I'm just ready to feel normal again and to sleep. I've read a lot about PAWS and understand it can last a long time.......I can deal with the mental boredom etc; but I'm just ready to stop hurting.

The mental part was a lot harder for me. But the times I kicked were when I wasn't working (why I had to quit) and then I would just go back to my parents house and sweat it out and they would keep me on lock down... there was only so much I could steal and pawn before they started to notice...

It's hard to say.

And I HATE preachy people or whatever... but here is my advice.. just keep it up. Nothing is really going to help that much other than good diet, exercise and ibuprofen. And my preachy part: it get's worse EVERY time you do this.

I would kick and get over it for months.. then something would happen.... and it was like an instinct... if I was stressed and sore from work or whatever, all I knew was to go back to and shoot dope. I'd chip. And usually that would lead back to a run and I can't even tell you how many DUI's, car wrecks, going through WD without ANYTHING again... when you're not even really getting high or you have to do so much that you just nod off and can't enjoy it..what's the point?

And what finally got me to stop altogether... I overdosed... I was in my computer chair and my head fell down to my chest and I lost oxygen.... I had a hypoxic brain injury and was hospitalized for three weeks. And you know what the first thing I did when I got home? Looked in my room for all of my stashes spots... my parents and girlfriend got everything... that's how fucking low I got. I literally had to learn how to walk and talk and read again - and that was the first thing I did when I got home, look for the rest of my dope. I'm glad I never found it.

Whatever. I'm not squeaky clean. I'm not perfect. But I haven't messed with heroin since that fateful day in 2007. Because every single time, the same thing would inevitably happen. I would end up back in Baltimore or Willimantic and it took permanent brain damage and the inability to drive for a year for me to finally get it.[/quote[

[quote[Does anyone have advice? I have been taking Hylands Restful legs and Xanax each night to be able to sleep. I also understand my potassium was probably zapped by the Heroin.......and i've been eating bananas, drinking OJ, and taking a vitamin with potassium in it.[/quote]

Everything you mentioned there is right. Only I would want to use a benzo with a longer half-life... more like Klonopin or Valium. Xanax is just not good for WD's.

I really don't think there is much more than you can do. Just stop counting the days. You're almost there.



I know exactly what you mean. I've been there at least a dozen times in a 10 year period. I would go as far as I could until I was arrested or lost my job or ran out money and/or things to pawn.

Just remember what this feels like now and keep it in mind that everytime you go back, you'll have to feel like this again, only it's worse every single time.

Again, I really hate to be preachy. But I'm just trying to tell you straight up and not sugar coat anything.

Also, not my SN. I hate this SN. I created it in 2003 when I was kicking. I had another SN, but I forgot the PW after I ODed and my GF and parents went through everything and found my booklet with PW's (not that they knew what sites or anything they were for, but they tossed it), so I had to go back to this SN. I fucking hate it. I hate remembering, I hate thinking about it. The only good thing that came out of everything was that it was like a reset button and I got to start over. So I'm back in college getting the degree I should have had 10 years ago, a few credits at a time.[/QUOTE]

Epic reply, this is exactly what I need to hear. Thanks to you & MemphisX!. you're replies are both amazing.

Cheers.!
 
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