Steroids & sports: IS IT FAIR?

cmpetr2k said:
Thank you for educating me. I can assure you I most definitely am not trolling. I have been eating healthy and use a training routine that according to my research is a safe and effective one. I've been at it for about 8 months now, and I have made some progress, but I still can't seem to get the body I really want. After 8 months am I still being to impatient? After the discussions I've had in this forum I'm beginning to consider trying a safe and proper steroid regiment to see if that will take me the rest of the way to my goal from working out. Any advice from you people who know about this stuff would be greatly appreciated.
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I do believe you are being impatient in terms of getting the body you want. 8 months isn't much in the grand scheme of things. At this point I think there is much to learn in terms of just training and nutrition still left for you to do.

Unlike most you will come across on steroid forum I'm not a believer in having to first reach natural limits before hopping on steroids. I believe that's a narrow minded, bodybuilding focused way of approaching the substances.

There is plenty of value to steroids beyond just bodybuilding. In all honesty I find bodybuilding extremely boring.

I use testosterone more as a general life enhancer than anything. Working our is just something of a routine for me since I've been 14. As such I don't think there is any height and weight necessary before hopping on. Certain guidelines help but thats about it.

However you should be careful using steroids as a shortcut. Your goal body may very well be easily achievable naturally.

If it isn't, or like me you just want to use test for the sense of well being, a beginner's cycle can be found quite easily on most forums and always consists of testosterone and maybe an oral compound. Do your research.
 
Most people say they are cheaters but I'm sure they would be the first to point out how boring sports were if somehow nobody used any PEDs. Lets face it..it makes sports more exciting.

We treat professional athletes, mostly football players, kind of like a roman gladiator. We see them as entertainers and if they can't play well we say get the fuck out and find another way to live. We don't say hey at least he doesn't use drugs he's just a human.

We expect them to be super human... They should be able to enhance their abilities and most of them do, its everywhere.

I especially think HGH and other compounds should be used to at least get people back from an injury, that's there way to feed their families.

But it will never become alright to do publicly, all because of the kids looking up to the athletes thinking they need to take the same stuff.
 
I definitely agree using certain compounds to recover from injuries. I also agree that kids look up to these athletes and shouldn't be influenced by them to take steroids when they're just too young for them.
 
Depression yes, anxiety probably not. Eating healthy won't achieve your goals. You gotta eat enough protein, enough fats and fill the rest with carbs. It's much faster to gain muscle if you count your calories and macronutrients.
 
Depression and anxiety? Absolutely. If confidence were a hormone, it would be called testosterone.
 
I think that as sports medicine and performance enhancement substances evolve and advance at the pace of other comparable medical technologies, utter banning from professional athletics will inevitably lead both to continuous use of said drugs by athletes using ever-advancing stealth techniques and to amateurs eventually outperforming professionals due to performance enhancement, to the point where sports events would seem silly and physically unimpressive, necessitating the (likely regulated) depenalization and acceptance of specific, openly disclosed forms of performance enhancement. Level playing field if everyone can juice up, after all.
 
The fact is that some bodies produce more testosterone than others. Could it be argued that the athletes who produce more testosterone have an unfair advantage? I mean, all that is required to "even things up" in this regard is to simple standardize the level of testosterone in athletes, requiring that each test within given parameters at a given point in time prior to competition. But nah...that kind of thing cuts too close to the truth bone...
 
http://m.brobible.com/sports/article/boost-your-testosterone-naturally

"Unless you want people to call you Limp Dick Larry at the age of 40, stay off the juice. When you inject testosterone/steriods into your body, your body's natural production of that hormone will reduce and possible stay reduced forever. Benching 405 will reduce and possible stay reduced forever. Benching 405 for reps < Using my dick when I'm older, in my opinion."
 
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cmpetr2k said:
http://m.brobible.com/sports/article/boost-your-testosterone-naturally

"Unless you want people to call you Limp Dick Larry at the age of 40, stay off the juice. When you inject testosterone/steriods into your body, your body's natural production of that hormone will reduce and possible stay reduced forever. Benching 405 will reduce and possible stay reduced forever. Benching 405 for reps < Using my dick when I'm older, in my opinion."
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You go get your blood work done, show an endocrinologist that you're not making enuf test and hop on hormone replacement therapy. Sick stays working well after people who have been clean their entire lives start losing function.

Honestly test is cheap enough to forgo the doctor route entirely if you feel like it and do your own HRT.

All of this of course is only even a factor if anything goes wrong. Which if done right (and the margin of error is not small) you'll be fine. Steroids are benign as fuck bud. Accept it.
 
I guess when my doc says I could use HRT, I'm all for it. But until then, why take the risk when not under the supervision of a doctor (who knows what he/she's doing better than we do, unless of course you yourself spent 8+ years in college to be a doctor."
 
cmpetr2k said:
I guess when my doc says I could use HRT, I'm all for it. But until then, why take the risk when not under the supervision of a doctor (who knows what he/she's doing better than we do, unless of course you yourself spent 8+ years in college to be a doctor."
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Uhm no you don't understand. If you fuck your endogenous test production up with steroids, you just hop on HRT.

It really is that easy. The "safety net" in this case very often is a better deal than staying natural at least at some point in your life.

HRT will keep you at the upper ranges of test levels indefinitely, which beats the shit out of the declining levels most folk are faced with going into their 40s or even late 30s.

I wanna do it now without a doctor's supervision because if the only negative outcome (not guaranteed by Any means, not even close) is a shut down HPTA system, there isn't anything to worry about at all. Your test can be immediately replaced by TRT.

You also need to understand that doctors restart guys shut down from YEARS of absolute ABUSE. As in dosages you wouldn't even believe with stuff like triptorelin.

What do you think doctor supervision entails on TRT anyway? It's just blood work no other special monitoring systems, I can get that done now with an understanding GP.

Stop with the snide "you don't have 8+ years" shit, neither so you, there are vastly more doctors that approve the use of these substances than those that don't. They may have a problem with use the way I do it, but only becuase their supposed to. There are plenty of doctors putting themselves on HRT. Which is essentially a bunch of MDs deciding to cruise for life.

I think weed is worse for my overall health and I'm absolutely serious saying that.
 
onetwonine said:
Uhm no you don't understand. If you fuck your endogenous test production up with steroids, you just hop on HRT.

It really is that easy. The "safety net" in this case very often is a better deal than staying natural at least at some point in your life.

HRT will keep you at the upper ranges of test levels indefinitely, which beats the shit out of the declining levels most folk are faced with going into their 40s or even late 30s.

I wanna do it now without a doctor's supervision because if the only negative outcome (not guaranteed by Any means, not even close) is a shut down HPTA system, there isn't anything to worry about at all. Your test can be immediately replaced by TRT.

You also need to understand that doctors restart guys shut down from YEARS of absolute ABUSE. As in dosages you wouldn't even believe with stuff like triptorelin.

What do you think doctor supervision entails on TRT anyway? It's just blood work no other special monitoring systems, I can get that done now with an understanding GP.

Stop with the snide "you don't have 8+ years" shit, neither so you, there are vastly more doctors that approve the use of these substances than those that don't. They may have a problem with use the way I do it, but only becuase their supposed to. There are plenty of doctors putting themselves on HRT. Which is essentially a bunch of MDs deciding to cruise for life.

I think weed is worse for my overall health and I'm absolutely serious saying that.
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Ok sorry about the snide remark. Just curious, what is the "HPTA system", "GP", and"TRT"?
 
Htpa : hypothalamus-testicular-pituary axis or something like that
Trt : testosterone replacement therapy, basically you get a prescription for 100-250mg of test per week to bring you to baseline if your own production is low.
Gp : general practitioner aka your regular doctor.
 
You see how pretentious you look now?so matter of factly explaining things to people that know better.

unless you see a doctor specializing in TRT, I doubt that many doctors will know more about hormones and hormone replacement than the guys in this forum.
 
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Animal Mother said:
You see how pretentious you look now?so matter of factly explaining things to people that know better.

unless you see a doctor specializing in TRT, I doubt that many doctors will know more about hormones and hormone replacement than the guys in this forum.
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Look the last thing I want to do make you mad to the point that you start attacking me personally again, but I don't feel like I look pretentiouse at all. All Idid was state a few points I learned from some quick online research plus some things I had been led to believe in the past (whether true or not. Honestly I don't even know anymore) plus some opinions of my own about some of the idealization behind the steroids in sports issue. I kept an open mind and admitted when I didn't know something. Isn't that what these forums are for? And with all do respect I would think that any man who spends 8+ years studying medical biology would know more about TRT than we do whether he specializes in that field or not. But again, that's just my opinion. Even if I'm wrong it doesn't
Make me a faggot or bitch-ass or pretentiouse.
 
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cmpetr2k said:
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Look the last thing I want to do make you mad to the point that you start attacking me personally again, but I don't feel like I look pretentiouse at all. All Idid was state a few points I learned from some quick online research plus some things I had been led to believe in the past (whether true or not. Honestly I don't even know anymore) plus some opinions of my own about some of the idealization behind the steroids in sports issue. I kept an open mind and admitted when I didn't know something. Isn't that what these forums are for? And with all do respect I would think that any man who spends 8+ years studying medical biology would know more about TRT than we do whether he specializes in that field or not. But again, that's just my opinion. Even if I'm wrong it doesn't
Make me a faggot or bitch-ass or pretentiouse.
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I would never automatically defer to somebody just because they spent more of their life in school than me.
I've met many Doctors that didn't know what the hell they were talking about when it came to more specific sciences. The fact of the matter is, that most GP doctors do very little real work. Most people's problems can be solved by prescribing what the person knew that they needed in the first place. If you asked me what person I could impersonate better, an uneducated mechanic, or a highly educated Doctor, then I would say Doctor all day long. Some medical professionals are just plain wrong, and hold onto arbitrary ideas of what is acceptable. Some of these ideas are as unfounded as yours. They associated steroids with the big tough asshole guy from an 80s Van Damm movie. From that, they decided that steroids were wrong, then built reasons why. Instead of researching reasons, THEN making a decision about whether or not it is wrong.

You eventually conceded that you might be wrong and mislead, but you initially came in here to stir up shit. You came here for righteous confrontation. Admitting to be wrong is a very mature thing to do, admitting to the idea that led to this behavior is even more mature.
"You're right, I guess I originally came here because I felt right about something, and saw an opportunity to argue about it. Now that I'm aware of the error in my behavior, I'll remember this, and try to think before I act in the future"

But whatever, to each their own degree of growing up.
 
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