Steroids or no?

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europemeds

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I guess I need an age old question answered, steroids or no?

My goal is not to become one of these giant beefy guys with veins popping out everywhere with jaw muscles that look like t-bone steaks, I would like to MAINTAIN strength. Truth is, I have just been taking Creatine for the past few months and going to the gym and just lifting weights, whatever and however, and if I see something makes a muscle bigger, then I do more of that. I enjoy working out. I've gotten a lot stronger since I have started going, but I have become... big, and I would like to be more... cut, if that makes any sense. Right now I have more of an Arnold Shwarz. (bad analogy, I know, I don't look anything like him, but it's all I could think of) and I want more of the Bruce Lee look, defined arms, defined abs, chest, etc.

In retrospect, right now I am about 200, and I wouldn't want to get much bigger, but I would like to become a lot stronger, and more cut. Are steroids the answer to this, or just diet/OTC supplements?
 
That will come in a well planned diet.

How long have you been working out?
 
if your diet is not in check (and I mean IN CHECK real tight) then doing steroids is a waste of your time, money, and health.

You don't grow muscle from nothing. You have to have the diet in check first.
 
As already stated your diet plays a big part in it, by chance do you know your fat/muscle percentage? Bruce Lees body is very defined and to achieve that look you need to get rid of the fat that is covering the muscle so you can actually see it. Do you do a lot of cardio? That can also help you get that real sculpted and defined body, combined with lifting of course.
 
The answer is no. reasons:
Your diet is shit
You've only been working out for a couple months
You don't train your lower body
You don't follow a set workout schedule

I could probably go through your posts and find some more reasons.
 
Thank you for your frankness, but the reason I don't train my lower body, is because as stated in my previous posts that you reference, I can max out EVERY machine for my legs. I competed riding bikes for 8 years, and still ride everyday. I am not lying when I say that with my legs I lift just as much as the hardcore guys in the gym. I haven't just started working out either, if you read more carefully, I have just started going EVERYDAY in the past couple of months. I have worked out for years.

I didn't want to start hitting steroids but thought that was the main way to achieve the defined look, glad to hear contrary.

I will have to google diet plans, but in general, what is the "industry standard" diet plan to help with definition? Any additional excersizes I should or should not do?

Cardio huh? I ride my bike what would come to about... probably 4 miles everyday, and this isn't slow riding, this is hard pedaling for fast acceleration (BMX) riding. Should I get on the treadmill also?
 
just make sure to have pct stuff or its a real waste and get some blood tests as well
 
europemeds said:
I can max out EVERY machine for my legs. I am not lying when I say that with my legs I lift just as much as the hardcore guys in the gym. I haven't just started working out either, if you read more carefully, I have just started going EVERYDAY in the past couple of months.
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These statments show you are not ready.

MACHINES?!? FOR LEGS?!?! WTF?!?! my GIRLFRIEND can max out the leg press machine. To work your legs or ANY part of your body sufficently you NEED to lift FREEWEIGHTS.

Going to the gym EVERYDAY is a very bad idea you'll just overtrain and raise cortisol levels...
 
p-mo said:
These statments show you are not ready.

MACHINES?!? FOR LEGS?!?! WTF?!?! my GIRLFRIEND can max out the leg press machine. To work your legs or ANY part of your body sufficently you NEED to lift FREEWEIGHTS.

Going to the gym EVERYDAY is a very bad idea you'll just overtrain and raise cortisol levels...
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QFT, like I told the man in his other thread - squats and deadlifts. I'd like to see him attempt to squat a bar loaded with 45's.
 
Look, honestly? Outside of professional sports, there's really no reason to use steroids. The legal risks simply aren't worth any bragging rights resulting from the number of plates you push.

So you want to get more cut. Few things you need to understand. First, there are things you can control: diet and exercise. If you want to cut, either work out more or eat less. Second, there are things you cannot control. Your amount of body-fat is greatly influenced by your genes. Beyond a certain point, you simply won't lose body-fat, unless you literally starve yourself, resulting in a loss of health and strength.

Be realistic about your goals. If you enjoy working out, then focus on keeping the workout enjoyable. Eat healthy, eat enough, get plenty of rest, and push hard while you're in the gym. Enjoy your life.

As far as using machines for leg exercises... if that's what works for you, then keep doing it. A machine can certainly generate plenty of resistance.
 
Heuristic said:
As far as using machines for leg exercises... if that's what works for you, then keep doing it. A machine can certainly generate plenty of resistance.
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This guy's right. If you want to get cut you better be doing leg exercises. Even if there not squats or deadlifts, your legs will burn the most calories. There is no such thing as a spot reduction, you will loose fat from your whole body by working your legs, not just leg fat.
 
well, steroids aren't going to make you huge without any work. they will just help you get to where you want, if you use them correctly and follow a good diet/workout plan. and some steroids don't even make you bigger, like winstrol and anavar, but anavar does help you get a lot stronger. it just depends on the type you get and how you train. but i would highly discourage steroid use unless you have a solid foundation to build upon. otherwise, you will end up too strong for your own good and tear something. and remember you can only lift as much as your tendons will allow. steroids don't help with tendon strength, so you will have to start off slow and not jump up in weight too fast so you can give your tendons time to strengthen with your muscles. and just remember, don't over do it or else you will have horrible results when you are not in a cycle. just take enough to give yourself that extra edge, if you even need it. and also, machines suck. unless your injured or an old woman, you should use only freeweights.
 
elektro303 said:
and also, machines suck. unless your injured or an old woman, you should use only freeweights.
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Until I needed to use certain machines as part of a physical rehab program, I tended to have the same view. I would scorn machines. But, frankly, even now, I find them extremely useful for various purposes. If I'm pushing a muscle to absolute exhaustion, and don't have a spotter, a machine can be a great tool to push myself beyond where I could if I had to worry about getting a barbell back to set or dropping a dumbbell on my foot (or dropping one at all). Machines can also be much, much faster. If I'm pressed for time, and need to bang out a number of sets quickly, machines are great.

Yeah, there are some issues with range of motion and uneven resistance, though these tend be to overstated, in my opinion, and are also pretty well addressed by newer equipment. If his legs are properly exhausted following a workout, and he's pushing/pulling against the type of resistance he wants (heavy or light), I don't think it matters all that much.

Now... deadlifts and squats can be more fun than machines, but that's something different.

My only advice to the OP would be, if he's never done squats or deadlifts before, start light, and have someone, preferably a trainer, evaluate your form for a couple of weeks. Once the form is there, you can start going heavier... though, again, if you're getting what you need from the machines, that's fine.
 
Cardio huh? I ride my bike what would come to about... probably 4 miles everyday, and this isn't slow riding, this is hard pedaling for fast acceleration (BMX) riding. Should I get on the treadmill also?
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Sounds to me like you are getting plenty of cardio, but you could try the treadmill, it wouldn't hurt. I'd still figure out your muscle / fat percentage though, because if you have no fat covering your muscle's and you still aren't getting that defined look, then it might be another reason (diet, types of lifts/workouts you're doing, etc).
 
not enough for what? Fat loss is a function between calories in and calories expended. It has nothing to do with how long you ride on a bike.
 
You're not burning much if you're doing 4 miles. If that's where his body is at right now, then 4 miles is of course fine, but I'd focus on improving that.
 
hey bro, out of curiosity do you run cycles? Just curious on where you are coming from experience wise.

This forum has been lately growing to be like a physical fitness forum. There seems to be an inundation of people posting who are just interested in talking about different lifts and protein shakes and random stuff like that. its kind of annoying because I'd really love to see some discussion of using steroids.
 
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