I have been listless and depressed for as long as I can remember. Sober since age 26. Now at 55, using SRRI (Venlafaxine) but not doing its job (anymore). Was on fluoxetine for over 10 yrs prior. Starting to wean off Venlafaxine without bad comedown. Down from 150 to 75 mg now. I am in ok physical shape, but not more than that. Wish I had more interest in working out and getting into good health. IF I were to look into a steroid and or HGH to kick start me, what would you recommend? Btw, I will be living in Thailand in a few weeks, for the longterm. Got everything to live for. Thanks in advance for all input
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Steroid for health - anti depression for older guy?
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Sounds like testosterone replacement would be your best option. Talk to your dr about it and he may be able to set you up for testing to see where your hormone levels are and get you on a proper regime.
In my opinion I think testosterone is a lot safer mentally and physically compared to anti depressants as prescribing anti depressants is a guess and test kinda thing :/ and they have potential for horrific side effects and withdrawal can be bad from them. Congrats on staying sober through all of this.
In my opinion I think testosterone is a lot safer mentally and physically compared to anti depressants as prescribing anti depressants is a guess and test kinda thing :/ and they have potential for horrific side effects and withdrawal can be bad from them. Congrats on staying sober through all of this.
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I encourage the use of hormones as opposed to SRRI's. Why would you take something that suppresses you, and what makes you feel good, for the sake of 'stability' when you could merely increase the one thing will make you feel good? I've been on gear for nearly three months now, and I have not hada single fucking day where I have been in a bad mood.
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lol yeah man i would look into TRT as opposed to ssri or maoi's. Think about the side effects from the anti depressants, the ones that might really screw with an older male, and loss of libido and sexual dysfunction: Sound like that may add to the depression right? Just have some blood work done and talk to your doc about it.
@ Animal; I hear ya brother, I had some serious depression issues readjusting back to civilian life but aside from that since I have been running gear Blast and Cruise style I have 99 good days before i have a shitty day. And My girl loves it, been with me almost 10 years now and the last 3 have been like it was when i was 21. It is certainly overlooked by most doctors when looking at men that are approaching 30 or older then 30 as a factor in depression and fatigue.
@ Animal; I hear ya brother, I had some serious depression issues readjusting back to civilian life but aside from that since I have been running gear Blast and Cruise style I have 99 good days before i have a shitty day. And My girl loves it, been with me almost 10 years now and the last 3 have been like it was when i was 21. It is certainly overlooked by most doctors when looking at men that are approaching 30 or older then 30 as a factor in depression and fatigue.
Thanks for you replies guys. I will certainly be looking into a hormone booster ( see a doc in Thailand). Plenty of sun and stress free life and motivation to get to the swimming pool and gym. I have a good feeling about this and it so seems to make sense.
yes and no. you just have to be careful because testosterone replacement can have a double edged sword.
increasing test can help confidence, sense of well being and all round general health as testosterone is a very important factor in key immune and health systems
but when adding extra test, you can convert that to extra estrogen, and then you could get severe mood swings and depression. Fluctuating hormones give negative sides, you'll get up and down swings, feel good then feel flat etc etc. watch a movie and find yourself crying! yes it can happen, and not advised for someone who is already battling depression and feeling down in the dumps.
essentially, you should be a fairly mentally strong individual to be able to control your mind while these hormones make you feel all 50 shades of grey, so to speak. and a good idea to avoid alcohol.
increasing test can help confidence, sense of well being and all round general health as testosterone is a very important factor in key immune and health systems
but when adding extra test, you can convert that to extra estrogen, and then you could get severe mood swings and depression. Fluctuating hormones give negative sides, you'll get up and down swings, feel good then feel flat etc etc. watch a movie and find yourself crying! yes it can happen, and not advised for someone who is already battling depression and feeling down in the dumps.
essentially, you should be a fairly mentally strong individual to be able to control your mind while these hormones make you feel all 50 shades of grey, so to speak. and a good idea to avoid alcohol.
With a TRT dose its unlikely.... Peaks and troughs in blood levels should be avoided, therefore if injecting more frequently than once per half-life everything should be OK..
Problems can arise when pinning once every 2-3 weeks as most TRT protocols suggest...
even trt will shut you down
when your shut down your not producing natural testosterone. we need some to stay normal
so supplementing testosterone when taking other anabolics is absolutely necessary (like deca or tren)
once its gone, you gotta wait for your natural system to upregulate. we like homeostasis, add extra T and we stop making it to keep a level, stop taking T and it starts making it to keep a steady level.
problem is the times between can be rough. this needs to be acknowledged and not swept under the table. go forth with your cards on the table.
there are positive and negatives. thats truth.
when your shut down your not producing natural testosterone. we need some to stay normal
so supplementing testosterone when taking other anabolics is absolutely necessary (like deca or tren)once its gone, you gotta wait for your natural system to upregulate. we like homeostasis, add extra T and we stop making it to keep a level, stop taking T and it starts making it to keep a steady level.
problem is the times between can be rough. this needs to be acknowledged and not swept under the table. go forth with your cards on the table.
there are positive and negatives. thats truth.
I know where you are coming from bro. Nothing strange perceived my side. I have heard of ppl coming out of depression after an E experience (just one or so, not like a therapy session of several). Same with Lsd, would do a similar job in some ppl. I did a few acid trips back in the day, did me no harm, but didnt realign my consciousness to a state of ONE and save me from the pits of lifes turmoils. I am however open minded, and I will keep it as an option; Ketamine. But I do see the TRT and HGH releaser option as the first. I am ok with trying that (under docs supervision). Your input much appreciated bro.
even trt will shut you down
when your shut down your not producing natural testosterone. we need some to stay normal
once its gone, you gotta wait for your natural system to upregulate. we like homeostasis, add extra T and we stop making it to keep a level, stop taking T and it starts making it to keep a steady level.
problem is the times between can be rough. this needs to be acknowledged and not swept under the table. go forth with your cards on the table.
there are positive and negatives. thats truth.
I understand I need to take more than one steroid to get best effect. I have read enough to understand that. There is also no free "feelgood factor", it always comes at some kind of price. Sometimes the price is affordable and a good tradeoff (hormone swings/feeling imbalance vs. permanent lethargy and listlessness). That is what we are basically aiming for, if I can get myself up and running, I will handle the swings better than sitting at home staring at the ceiling, (because putting on my trainers just seems like too hard work). I am pretty hardened in tolerating rough times, so I am not too worried about some kind of comedown, if permanent damage can be avoided.
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um you don't need to take more than one, i saw just makeing a more general response for other readers.
all you need is testosterone, but you read about people wanting winny to cut weight, well those need test also. thats what that paragraph was about.
if your taking testosterone for health reasons, its all you need, maybe an anti-estrogen controller like an AI or some nolvadex on hand.
Also, HGH is released in our slow wave sleep, we only spend around 20% of the total night in this deep, slow wave sleep. the length of time in SWS is directly proportionate to the pulse of HGH released.
So getting a good, long, uninterupted sleep is actually your best way to naturally boost your testosterone and hgh to its maximum. with healthy eating and regular exercise.
Don't over think it too much, this stuff of optimizing our body is pretty easy, its just the media and magazines and supplement companys put up smoke screens to trick you into paying for products with false promises.
all you need is testosterone, but you read about people wanting winny to cut weight, well those need test also. thats what that paragraph was about.
if your taking testosterone for health reasons, its all you need, maybe an anti-estrogen controller like an AI or some nolvadex on hand.
Also, HGH is released in our slow wave sleep, we only spend around 20% of the total night in this deep, slow wave sleep. the length of time in SWS is directly proportionate to the pulse of HGH released.
So getting a good, long, uninterupted sleep is actually your best way to naturally boost your testosterone and hgh to its maximum. with healthy eating and regular exercise.
Don't over think it too much, this stuff of optimizing our body is pretty easy, its just the media and magazines and supplement companys put up smoke screens to trick you into paying for products with false promises.
Thanks Cityturbo, you seem to have your head screwed on the right way. I know from experience that when I move to Thailand I will mellow out, sleep better, be less stressed. I could say I was going on doctors orders (my GP did write me a chit for rehabilitation). I will be working full time on getting myself together, mentally and physically. Its gonna be my (paid) job no less. Because of my laziness, depression and lethargy I have suspected my testosterone levels being out of whack. But if my doc (in Thailand) tells me my levels are not wanting, I will not press on to use any test supplements. I am just going for general health and wellbeing, not to compete in Mr Atlas. But having said that, I am a little curious as to what kind of effects/benefits I can obtain from test sups. But that is also a part of my addictive personality coming into play. "if you´re gonna make a mistake, make one you haven´t made before"
even trt will shut you down
when your shut down your not producing natural testosterone. we need some to stay normal
once its gone, you gotta wait for your natural system to upregulate. we like homeostasis, add extra T and we stop making it to keep a level, stop taking T and it starts making it to keep a steady level.
problem is the times between can be rough. this needs to be acknowledged and not swept under the table. go forth with your cards on the table.
there are positive and negatives. thats truth.
This is a pointless and misleading post.... We are discussing TRT... With TRT natural test will be already suppressed thats the reason for TRT..
I've already discussed this point.... TRT is meant to replicate normal hormone levels in the blood (testosterone) this should if done correctly, negate the need for estrogen control, as estrogen isn't normally an issue with most people on normal range blood plasma test levels....
Problem can occur when doctors prescribe Depot-Test-Cypionate for TRT with too longer spacing between injections (once per several half-lifes)... Doctors don't seem to understand the basics of esterification and steroid half-lifes...
When on TRT or any cycle, steady state blood plasma concentrations are preferable... Peaks and troughs in blood levels should be avoided, therefore injecting more frequently than once per half-life will better manage steady state blood levels...
Problems can arise when pinning once every 2-3 weeks as most TRT protocols suggest...
younger people need to be aware its a full time commitment.
shutting yourself down permanently, even at 35 is not the correct answer, at 45 it may be.
DEFINITELY not 25 or 26!!! There are better options right now than taking testosterone for the rest of your life.
those shots get old very fast, trust me. you want to prolong that decision as long as possible.
read around, cut out dairy, processed food, lower your carbs to just fibrous vege's for 1 week and re-titrate with couscous or quinoa till your muscles fill and you know your carb intake for the day.
sleep and low stress is vital for hormone support.
shutting yourself down permanently, even at 35 is not the correct answer, at 45 it may be.
DEFINITELY not 25 or 26!!! There are better options right now than taking testosterone for the rest of your life.
those shots get old very fast, trust me. you want to prolong that decision as long as possible.
read around, cut out dairy, processed food, lower your carbs to just fibrous vege's for 1 week and re-titrate with couscous or quinoa till your muscles fill and you know your carb intake for the day.
sleep and low stress is vital for hormone support.
^some bitch tried to argue about that to me saying you can't live without carbs. Lmao, obviously she doesn't know keto diets. Hell lots of inuit/eskimos have virtually 0 carbs In their diets and live just fine.
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