Steriod vs non

[-Guido-]

Can't we keep the discussion in a sober way? - I feel kinda silly telling a moderator this.
This is an exciting discussion.


What you are saying is "I don't give 2 shits about what some bunch of professors think about this, because I do steroids myself."

And just for the record: it is NOT an argument for anabolic steroids efficiency, or lack thereof, that you know some guys with shitty genes training with their head up their asses, and dieting on McD food. It is clear that steroids do not work equally well on people, as many factors come into play here. However, if two identical people follow the same sound program and diet plan, and one additionally supplement with a good AAS cure, the person on the AAS would gain alot more. A drug-free Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler would look VERY different.

A good example on the potency of steroids is Justin Campton.

Justin Compton 2008 vs 2012

Don't ever feel silly telling me anything, even if it's an insult. I run this forum with free speech in mind. You guys can disagree with me all day, tell me I'm wrong, and argue until the cows come home. I actually encourage it.

 

[-Guido-]

Did you not read my post?...If I sat on my ass for 10 weeks, the strength of my core lifts would be cut in half. These guys didn't atrophy, but actually gained strength...It wasn't all water.

Look, I'm not trying to offend you or anyone for that matter. But, these results -- and the post above me -- definitely allude to the magic behind supraphysiological hormones.

I'm not arguing about strength. If you were next to me right now, and I gave you a 400mcg Cheque Drop (Milberone), your strength would increase significantly in the next 30 minutes along with your aggression. I could take 50mg of Anadrol for a week and sit on my ass, my strength would increase as would my weight but it would be water. I'm arguing in terms of lean conditioned muscle, the shit bodybuilders strive for. Of course they wouldn't atrophy, that's what steroids are meant to medically do, preserve existing muscle. Strength will increase yes because Testosterone creates an anabolic environment that consists of intracellular water retention and binds to androgen receptors but muscle will not increase in size unless properly stimulated.

 

[Tussmann]

I'm not arguing about strength. If you were next to me right now, and I gave you a 400mcg Cheque Drop (Milberone), your strength would increase significantly in the next 30 minutes along with your aggression. I could take 50mg of Anadrol for a week and sit on my ass, my strength would increase as would my weight but it would be water. I'm arguing in terms of lean conditioned muscle, the shit bodybuilders strive for. Of course they wouldn't atrophy, that's what steroids are meant to medically do, preserve existing muscle. Strength will increase yes because Testosterone creates an anabolic environment that consists of intracellular water retention and binds to androgen receptors but muscle will not increase in size unless properly stimulated.

ahhhh there we go. Thank you.

 

[ProjektBane]

I hate to incite any sort of butt-hurt here, but 99% of the big, gym junkie guys where I live are relying on steroid "enhancements". They do great when using, but when they let up even a little they go from superman to shaggy from the cartoon with the poorly communicative talking dog. I know some people have gotten great gains without abusing steroids, but relying on external enhancements to get bigger and stronger seems contradictory to trying to get bigger and stronger. You must keep using to keep the size and increase it, and you do so with the possibility of ruining your body. Myself and my training partners may not be huge and covered in monster muscles, but we maintain easily and when we gain muscle, we keep it. I know some of you may enjoy the benefits of smart steroid use, but for me it is not worth the temporary gains and the lifestyle that requires me to continually obtain illegal substances. If a user gets arrested and does much time, there go most if not all of what they risked so much to get in the first place. This is my opinion, no offense intended, but I prefer using "enhancements" that allow me to keep what I gain, and that do not risk my health and freedom. To each their own.... I choose to use carefully formulated non-steroidal enhancements. Rock on.