Steriod vs non

[gymstud]

If for example (dont pick fault please) two identical twins with same work out and diet
And same starting point but one takes roids or prohomoans one doesnt

Will the steriod one gain more than the other even if the work out and or diet they both do isnt ideal

 

[flyhighk]

Depends what steroids he's using but the enhanced guy should gain more.
If the caloric needs of the steroid user were increased enough, that would put him in a deficit thus hindering his gains

 

[gymstud]

Do you think the steriod one would lose more fat too

 

[flyhighk]

Yeah on a cut he would lose less muscle and lose more fat

 

[-Guido-]

If for example (dont pick fault please) two identical twins with same work out and diet
And same starting point but one takes roids or prohomoans one doesnt

Will the steriod one gain more than the other even if the work out and or diet they both do isnt ideal

If the guy on steroids has a shit diet and shit routine the guy who is natural will gain more. You can't gain anything on steroids if you aren't eating right or training right. Steroids aren't fucking magic nor a remedy to the situation of having a shitty diet and routine.

TL;DR?

Get your fucking diet and routine on point, then use steroids. People seem to forget e92 and his shit diet and routine that resulted in 3 pounds of muscle.8(

 

[Tussmann]

If the guy on steroids has a shit diet and shit routine the guy who is natural will gain more. You can't gain anything on steroids if you aren't eating right or training right. Steroids aren't fucking magic nor a remedy to the situation of having a shitty diet and routine.

TL;DR?

Get your fucking diet and routine on point, then use steroids. People seem to forget e92 and his shit diet and routine that resulted in 3 pounds of muscle.8(

You're right. Diet and routine are a absolute necessity. But.... It appears you CAN make significant gains taking AAS as sitting on your ass...

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101


Of course in the long run, your choice would definitely win.

 

[-Guido-]

You're right. Diet and routine are a absolute necessity. But.... It appears you CAN make significant gains taking AAS as sitting on your ass...

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101


Of course in the long run, your choice would definitely win.

Pshhhh... Those are not significant gains. For those guys who weren't lifting most of the size they put on was nothing more than water retention and I guarantee all that size vanished in the weeks after coming of the Testosterone. I can pop 100mg of Anadrol, sit on my ass, and put on 15 pounds of size in five days.

 

[gymstud]

If the guy on steroids has a shit diet and shit routine the guy who is natural will gain more. You can't gain anything on steroids if you aren't eating right or training right. Steroids aren't fucking magic nor a remedy to the situation of having a shitty diet and routine.

TL;DR?

Get your fucking diet and routine on point, then use steroids. People seem to forget e92 and his shit diet and routine that resulted in 3 pounds of muscle.8(

So the natural guy would gain more even thought his diet and routine shit too
Cos thry doing same thing

 

[Bone14]

There are studies that show that a guy who ain't working out and doing steroids and a guy who is working out properly and dieting. The one who is doing steroids will gain more muscle than the guy natural dude. Sorry, but steroids are freaking potent -Guido-. I'll try finding the study if someone is interested.

 

[-Guido-]

There are studies that show that a guy who ain't working out and doing steroids and a guy who is working out properly and dieting. The one who is doing steroids will gain more muscle than the guy natural dude. Sorry, but steroids are freaking potent -Guido-. I'll try finding the study if someone is interested.

No. Absolute bollocks.

Sorry bro, but steroids aren't fucking magic.

 

[gymstud]

There are studies that show that a guy who ain't working out and doing steroids and a guy who is working out properly and dieting. The one who is doing steroids will gain more muscle than the guy natural dude. Sorry, but steroids are freaking potent -Guido-. I'll try finding the study if someone is interested.

Id like to read of u can find

 

[Neoprimitive]

if you could just sit on your arse and gain muscle buy eating a few tabs and jabbing your self a few times a week there would be a hell of a lot more guys in better shape.

 

[Tussmann]

In that study the AAS couch potatoes developed larger muscles and almost as much strength as the guys who busted their ass for 10 weeks on placebo. The fact that you can literally inject --sit on your ass -- and NOT ATROPHY, but rather gain appreciable strength kind of makes AAS magic in some regards.

But, please don't do this. If anything, this just alludes to how much more careful and knowledgeable you have to be using this stuff.

 

[Bone14]

In that study the AAS couch potatoes developed larger muscles and almost as much strength as the guys who busted their ass for 10 weeks on placebo. The fact that you can literally inject --sit on your ass -- and NOT ATROPHY, but rather gain appreciable strength kind of makes AAS magic in some regards.

But, please don't do this. If anything, this just alludes to how much more careful and knowledgeable you have to be using this stuff.

My point exactly, I'm not calling people who do steroids for lazy couch potatos at all, but I'm just saying many people who do steroids are underestimating it's effect - again I'm not calling you lazy, I'm sure you are busting your ass off at the gym and your results are well deserved - steroids or not.

I'm currently looking for the study, I'll post it asap.

And for good manners sake, I have nothing against steroids, hell I might use them myself one day, but currently I am not because I got a lot of gains to go naturally before even considering roids.

EDIT: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199607043350101 - Here is the study that proves my point. Remember to click on the "Full text of background" for the full study.
Steroids are not just a "little" help. The difference of a bodybuilder who is doing steroids, and a bodybuilder who is not, is night and day. If claimed otherwise, then you are probably lying towards yourself.

 

[-Guido-]

Just like I said earlier, yeah the non exercising guys who were given 600mg of testosterone indeed developed bigger muscles, BUT IT WAS ALL INTRACELLULAR WATER RETENTION. 600mg of Test while sitting on you ass will blow anyone up with water and give a mushy bloofy physique water logged by estrogen. I bet their fucking nipples were the size of dinner plates. Suddenly because some asshole sits on his ass and inflates with water on high dose of Test, suddenly it's fucking muscle.

The fucking conclusion of the test was "Supraphysiologic doses of testosterone, especially when combined with strength training, increase fat-free mass and muscle size and strength in normal men."

That study was bad and you should feel bad.

 

[-Guido-]

if you could just sit on your arse and gain muscle buy eating a few tabs and jabbing your self a few times a week there would be a hell of a lot more guys in better shape.

My point exactly.8(

If such a thing was true then probodybuilders who inject grams upon grams of steroids a week, take countless oral steroids a day, inject a vial of HGH a day, inject insulin after every meal, and inject IGF-1 LR3 multiple times a day shouldn't have to fucking lift.

 

[gymstud]

What would be the fun in that
Also dont men get bigger in pubity without exersise

 

[Bone14]

That study was bad and you should feel bad.

Can't we keep the discussion in a sober way? - I feel kinda silly telling a moderator this.
This is an exciting discussion.


What you are saying is "I don't give 2 shits about what some bunch of professors think about this, because I do steroids myself."

And just for the record: it is NOT an argument for anabolic steroids efficiency, or lack thereof, that you know some guys with shitty genes training with their head up their asses, and dieting on McD food. It is clear that steroids do not work equally well on people, as many factors come into play here. However, if two identical people follow the same sound program and diet plan, and one additionally supplement with a good AAS cure, the person on the AAS would gain alot more. A drug-free Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler would look VERY different.

A good example on the potency of steroids is Justin Campton.

Justin Compton 2008 vs 2012

 

[Tussmann]

Just like I said earlier, yeah the non exercising guys who were given 600mg of testosterone indeed developed bigger muscles, BUT IT WAS ALL INTRACELLULAR WATER RETENTION. 600mg of Test while sitting on you ass will blow anyone up with water and give a mushy bloofy physique water logged by estrogen. I bet their fucking nipples were the size of dinner plates. Suddenly because some asshole sits on his ass and inflates with water on high dose of Test, suddenly it's fucking muscle.

The fucking conclusion of the test was "Supraphysiologic doses of testosterone, especially when combined with strength training, increase fat-free mass and muscle size and strength in normal men."

That study was bad and you should feel bad.

Did you not read my post?...If I sat on my ass for 10 weeks, the strength of my core lifts would be cut in half. These guys didn't atrophy, but actually gained strength...It wasn't all water.

Look, I'm not trying to offend you or anyone for that matter. But, these results -- and the post above me -- definitely allude to the magic behind supraphysiological hormones.

 

[-Guido-]

This was the conclusion reached after the test.

Conclusions

Supraphysiologic doses of testosterone, especially when combined with strength training, increase fat-free mass and muscle size and strength in normal men.