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Staying safe on cocaine?

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So I was planning on going to a dubstep concert soon and was thinkin of picking up 2 or 3 grams of powder. I'm not very experienced (I've only done blow 4 or 5 times) and just want some tips to make sure im being safe about it. How much should I limit myself to an hour? I'm also gonna probably be drinking all through the night, will that cause any issues? Also one of the past times I've done cocaine, while coming down off a lot of MDMA and began hallucinating eyeballs looking at me. I suppose this was probably due to be being tired and already doing too many stimulates, but just in case is there any way to prevent or stop the come down coke hallucinations? I've heard xanax helps?
 
Don't do all that cocaine in one night, especially if you know you're going to be drinking. Being that you previously had a bad experience with hallucinating, try not to go nuts with the coke. You could use Xanax if you're having a bad comedown but being that you're already having drinks you probably won't need it.
 
Mixing alcohol and cocaine is already a problem when it comes to health. When cocaine and ethanol coexist in the blood it creates a new drug called cocaethylene. Which is a lot more cardiotoxic than cocaine already is. In all honesty cocaine is one of the few drugs that no matter how you really look at it, even in moderation is fairly dangerous. Have you ever thought of a different stimulant? Maybe amphetamines? Lasts longer, isn't nearly as dangerous, costs less, and is more euphoric and suitable for electronic music.

If you want to do cocaine, I suggest you not drink at the same time. If I were you seeing as how you care about your health, find a different drug. ;)
 
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Mixing alcohol and cocaine is already a problem when it comes to health. When cocaine and ethanol coexist in the blood it creates a new drug called cocaethylene. Which is a lot more cardiotoxic than cocaine already is. In all honesty cocaine is one of the few drugs that no matter how you really look at it, even in moderation is fairly dangerous. Have you ever thought of a different stimulant? Maybe amphetamines? Lasts longer, isn't nearly as dangerous, costs less, and is more euphoric and suitable for electronic music.

If you want to do cocaine, I suggest you not drink at the same time. If I were you seeing as how you care about your health, find a different drug. ;)
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How come cocaine is so much worse than amphetamines, i mean i know it is. But do you know why?
 
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How come cocaine is so much worse than amphetamines, i mean i know it is. But do you know why?
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Here's a legitimate source highlighting how cardiotoxic it is.

Cocaine blocks sodium channels, which by blocking sodium channels cocaine interferes with the propagation of action potentials. Sodium channels are responsible for the rising phase of action potentials. From what I've read it seems that the majority of the issue arises from the sodium channels rather than the stimulant effect.

While meth/amphetamines may not be all that dangerous physically they can be very neurotoxic. However sparse use and lower doses along with correct 'route of administration' (oral dosing) neurotoxicity isn't that big of a concern. Which is why I concluded that OP chooses another stimulant such as amphetamines. Perhaps a moderate dosage of Adderall or Dexedrine?

Not to mention amphetamines are considered much more enjoyable/euphoric. It seems like the answer should be pretty obvious.
 
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Well I've done my fair share of amphetamines and in all honesty I'm through with them for the time being. Whenever I roll whatever I'm doing usually ends up becoming about the drugs. Amphetamines seem better in rave situations, but this is more of a harder electronic show at a theater venue. Knowing me I'd have way more fun with blow+liq in this environment. I'm not quite looking for big time euphoria. :)
 
goinginfected said:
Well I've done my fair share of amphetamines and in all honesty I'm through with them for the time being. Whenever I roll whatever I'm doing usually ends up becoming about the drugs. Amphetamines seem better in rave situations, but this is more of a harder electronic show at a theater venue. Knowing me I'd have way more fun with blow+liq in this environment. I'm not quite looking for big time euphoria. :)
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Well if you're concerned about your health, I'd stay away from cocaine. Especially when mixing it with alcohol.
 
goinginfected said:
So I was planning on going to a dubstep concert soon and was thinkin of picking up 2 or 3 grams of powder. I'm not very experienced (I've only done blow 4 or 5 times) and just want some tips to make sure im being safe about it. How much should I limit myself to an hour? I'm also gonna probably be drinking all through the night, will that cause any issues? Also one of the past times I've done cocaine, while coming down off a lot of MDMA and began hallucinating eyeballs looking at me. I suppose this was probably due to be being tired and already doing too many stimulates, but just in case is there any way to prevent or stop the come down coke hallucinations? I've heard xanax helps?
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With top quality coke and a low tolerance, 0.5g is enough for the whole night (40mg lines every 45 mins= 6+hrs of partying).
So if you are getting 2-3 grams at a low price, it's probably cut quite a lot. Still, start small and make bigger lines if you feel like the coke is weak. Maybe ask your friends which know how to determine cocaine quality to test it. With top quality coke i personally limit myself to 100mg max.

If I were you, I'd ask around and try to get some pure stuff even if the price is much higher, trust me it's worth it. Shitty cocaine can be cut with substances which you can overdose on, so if the coke is weak you could end up doing a lot and overdosing on other substances which the coke is cut with.

About the hallucinations, MDMA in high doses will make anyone hallucinate at least a little. I have a tripped quite hard on high doses of mdma and know others who have. When I take psychedelics, I usually see 'eyes' as well, especially in between the kaleidoscopic patterns and know others who have as well. So I assume you had a mild psychedelic trip from the mdma.

Try and get pure product, limit yourself to 100mg/hour if it's pure, and have fun!:D
 
Dysphoric said:
Here's a legitimate source highlighting how cardiotoxic it is.

Cocaine blocks sodium channels, which by blocking sodium channels cocaine interferes with the propagation of action potentials. Sodium channels are responsible for the rising phase of action potentials. From what I've read it seems that the majority of the issue arises from the sodium channels rather than the stimulant effect.

While meth/amphetamines may not be all that dangerous physically they can be very neurotoxic. However sparse use and lower doses along with correct 'route of administration' (oral dosing) neurotoxicity isn't that big of a concern. Which is why I concluded that OP chooses another stimulant such as amphetamines. Perhaps a moderate dosage of Adderall or Dexedrine?

Not to mention amphetamines are considered much more enjoyable/euphoric. It seems like the answer should be pretty obvious.
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Firs time I have heard the opinion that coke is better them meth, in terms of health etc. I like it. Didn't know this info thanks.
So coke is more cardiotoxic and meth more neurotoxic? Are these with any dosages or more like possible results if at risk or with high doses?

Personally cocaethylene works out great, a bonus feature ime, makes the coke last longer when you drink with it due to its extended duration. Besides the known health risk I haven't noticed any issues of regular usage maybe one a month over 6 years always with drinking. Goto drink with stims to take the edge off unfortunately. But still, if its less safe dont do it unless you have to.

How is alcohol and meth on health? Seems to improve it for me as well.
 
^I'm not sure how healthy it is, but they cancel each other out according to some studies.

I was actually about to search BL here again regarding the combo, so I'll post back in a sec.
 
Thanks for that. Ok dehydration, got that covered, since beer has lots of water in it :).

It was the heart thing i was unsure about, it seems there is not certainty on this. Something about the different effects confusing the heart and causing stress, like not taking beta blockers on stims? Not sure how legit this is with alcohol though.

Contrary to a post on that thread i find that only a few beers on meth, even only 1 beer every 2 -3 hours definitely has a beneficial and noticeable effect, not in terms of feeling the alcohol but making everything feel better, the meth high feels better, less negative symptoms, takes that edge off perfectly. No need to go crazy with spirits and the like.

I find alcohol with meth can cancel out stimulation type effects mostly physical but never the meth euphoria, which is what really matters, so its a good combo. Also recently tried a valium and ambien before meth and that works great as well, no cancelling of any of the good stuff.
 
blight12 said:
Firs time I have heard the opinion that coke is better them meth, in terms of health etc. I like it. Didn't know this info thanks.
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You mean meth/amphetamines being safer than than cocaine? Also, I wouldn't really consider it an opinion. :\

Also meth/amphetmaines and alcohol is a no no as well. Not only do they both dehydrate, but the concurrent administration of methamphetamine and ethanol increase cardiac work, which could produce more adverse cardiovascular effects than either drug taken alone.
 
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Well your post implied in that case meth was better. Obviously just in terms of the health issue discussed. So no take backs or edits, your opinion is now logged forever. Score 1 for team meth. :)

I just queried the exact same alc meth thing in another thread, ive been trying to find the details around the alc/meth heart thing. What are the specifics of this risk, what is it doing to cause this issue? Is it like the danger of taking beta blockers with stims due to the heart getting confused over differing instructions? Is it only alcohol and meth or, other sedatives/gaba drugs and/or stims as well? Why doesnt it do it with coke?

I drink all the time on meth, I have to so, Id like to know the level or risk. Is it a "well hell your taking meth and meth has risks so who cares" type risk or a "damn boy, thats dangerous even for a crazy tweaker" risk? Basically is it a real risk considering it has caused not issue sin the past.

My heart always seems to thank me when its going strong on meth and i give it some beer to calm down. Things seem to improve.

Though I have fainted twice on high dose meth plus high dose spirit alcohol, but now literally have 1 beer every two hours, its all i need and i find more messes with my high but none is worse.
 
For sure coke is not gonna mix well with a rave. Drinking, dancing, sweating, alcohol = dehydration. I totally disagree that amphetamines would be good alternative though. Also disagree that amphetamines are more euphoric than coke. Either way moderation and hydration are gonna be important.
 
Dont go ham I havnt had coke before and dont really plan to as it sounds shit but I would say try not to have more than maybe quarter of a gram at max every hour or possibly just 100mg max if you get a good high from that much which you should from the sounds of things and dont drink too much alcohol as I can imagine a lot of coke and alcohol as not just dangerous but creating a nob head and keep hydrated as well drink at least half a pint of water every hour and I dont really know how to stop hallucinations but if your feeling ill and agitated then I think you should be fine taking xanax just dont take too much as you will have been drinking alcohol
 
My opinion for whatever it is worth - save the coke for another occasion. You'll have a MUCH better time taking MDMA at a dubstep concert. Have you ever used coke in a crowded environment like a concert before? If not you may get very paranoid. But if you insist on going with coke I would DEFINITELY make sure to have some xanax on hand. Not a lot, just enough to make the comedown bearable. The hallucinations you had from taking coke while coming down from MDMA were due to the fact that you were coming down from MDMA lol. I don't recommend using the 2 in the same night. As for amounts - it's hard to say. Drink first and just take small bumps throughout the night after that. I have no way of knowing how pure the coke is. But like I said, I highly recommend MDMA at a dubstep concert [assuming you can find some]. You'll have a much better time with that and a little weed [if you smoke]. The smoke would just be a bonus.
 
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