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Staving Heroin Addiction

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d00d557

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Aye gents, stumbled over here from 420chan and finally made an account after visiting various threads from this website. I come to you because generally you are more mature and knowledgeable with opiates, especially Heroin. What are your experiences as far as attempting to stave off psychological addiction? Besides the obvious, i.e. not using it as an escape, or reward system, or more frequently than 4 times a month, or IV usage. I actually myself was blessed enough to come off the needle, and was just wondering how many of you have managed chipping. Yes my dumbass actually indeed considers once/twice a month usage even after all that. I also know the dangers of using again are starting the rationalizing game where I attempt to justify breaking my boundaries already set. I'm not asking if it's possible to be a functional addict, I know it is in rare cases. However it always seems that if you don't watch that monkey it will claw your fucking eyes out. It is a very shaky truce eh?
 
I also plan on not using IV ROA ever again. As much as i'd love to, it seems that it would increase the risk of slipping back down that slope even more so than plugging. It really is only being a whore for the rush after all no?
 
i don't know how all you guys use twice a month and still feel fine. I was using like that for a while and I've been off the shit for a month and I still don't feel back to normal. IMO 2 weeks is not enough time in between doses....at least for me.
 
2 weeks, is more then enuff.. b/w doses... if thats true then your not even really considered a "user" if you really do only use H once every 2 weeks..
 
Yea I don't ever plan on using this drug the way I was ever again,either in frequency or the ROA. two times a month is a stretch even I feel so I shalnt be breaking that rule, too much effort went into getting me clean. also I have a way better perspective now because before I didn't have shit for willpower, and didn't care how much I did the drug. not suprising I ended up where I was:|
 
Just cause you dont plan to do something dont mean it probally wont happen. I bet you didnt plan to get addicted in the first place or plan on shooting up either did you? fact is..once you're addicted to a drug and get clean and think you can go back to chipping..it is very likely that you will eventually, or shortly even go back to using how you were in the past..so no it is not a good idea if you wish to not get addicted again.
 
Georgie25 said:
Just cause you dont plan to do something dont mean it probally wont happen. I bet you didnt plan to get addicted in the first place or plan on shooting up either did you? fact is..once you're addicted to a drug and get clean and think you can go back to chipping..it is very likely that you will eventually, or shortly even go back to using how you were in the past..so no it is not a good idea if you wish to not get addicted again.
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Listen to this^^^

It is basically a "pipe dream" to think that you can "chip" heroin, especially after you have allready had an IV heroin addiction in the past.

It's not like you learned your lesson the first time you were addicted and then got clean, allowing you to use occasionally from now on and not get tempted to do more and more(just like the last time). The only lesson you learned was that heroin is extremely addictive and when you use it, no matter how often, it's like playing with fire.....you WILL get burned. I would think that since you allready had a heroin addiction and stopped that you would have known this by now and would not wish to play the same game again, but apparently not. Maybe you just didnt hit rock bottom last time around and thats what you need to do to truly leave the shit alone.

I bet you if you try to "chip"....you will eventually hit rock bottom and then wanna quit again, but it will be even harder that time.

....speaking from experience.
 
It is basically a "pipe dream" to think that you can "chip" heroin, especially after you have allready had an IV heroin addiction in the past.
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I agree. Javing tried that several times in the past and it always lead back to daily If you google heroin;nueroadaption and/or neurogenisis you will find out why this is impossible for people to use again without problems Basically if you stop all drugs and (I have no idea what others you are/were using) and wait for about 6months you well start to feel better. A lot better actually. It is just making through PAWS (which is something else to reseach if you already haven't,

Personally I have been off for 73 days now (well 1 slip of one shot) and I have found that since then I have a pretty serious lack of dopamine or something. I have to take ritalin and/modafinil to function at work.Without I am a depressed person who cannot remember shit, problem solve so basicaly my executive functions are completely shot. However it is nice to know I don't need to take something to keep from getting sick.
 
I agree, Lefty and Ocean does as well. I hope you get some good responses over there!


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^^ If I may eleborate on that point:
d00d, I think you know that it's not very likely that you will be able to limit your usage to only one or two occasions per month. It's a nice idea in theory, but in reality anyone who has been addicted to opiates can't usually limit their usage in such a manner. Usually it's all or nothing. I know how scary and depressing it might be to think about complete sobriety from opiates but it's the best and safest option for someone in your position.
 
i would of been considered a 'chipper ' most of the time in the past.
i think this was possible because of other circumstances aswell, like i was too into coke, but i always swayed off ahead of time, usually i would wind up in some kind of trouble, bad kind of trouble.

there are some big, "what if's?" involved in this avoidable recipe for disaster. this stuff is the stuff of fairy tales/romance of all sorts, an old epic one; this is for a reason: blind twisted devastation, false love, a major promise gone wrong, morals/charector traded. you can swap out the lead charector in almost any tragic love story, for opiates, and it would be fitting.

this is also part of the "mystic" and lure. with chippers, it is usually the same thing, a shot/sniff of something different.... IME, the tar heroin in the NWUS, is drastically different then the stuff in austin/houston/new mexico. a 1/4g shot of NW sure, 1/5-1/3 of a SW 1/4g would be much stronger.

im just saying getting random batches, with or with out a tolerance can get'cha. has friends of mine, and left me with lost hours waking up next to my works as they were.

now that i need them for chronic pain issues, i catch myself every few weeks thinking "i neeeed a break from thiiis..." but not a chance.

you swayed from the needle, thats usuallysome of the final fixations heavy users will cling into after kicking, this is definitely good, doesnt mean another time will be easier, but a big step.


just go on with your life, you've experienced the epic heroin, now live your life as you feel you should and deserve to.
 
im sure chippers exist but i seriously doubt they were former hardcore heroin addicts that got clean, then proceeded to chip..it simply is not going to work...here is what i remember happening to me after i got clean from oxycontin years ago...it had been 2 months away from oxys so i too some vicoden and i enjoyed the high very much..problem is, those few pills of vicoden put me into a very bad and depressed mood for at least a day or so...so is it worth it as those mini withdrawals will just get worse and the high u get will just be less..that right there told me my brain chemistry was altered probably forever when it came to opiates...

edarrin-i was like that as well...just groggy and foggy thinking after getting clean..months and months after getting clean i remember just not feeling 'right'...hard to explain unless u have been there..
 
belfort said:
here is what i remember happening to me after i got clean from oxycontin years ago...it had been 2 months away from oxys so i too some vicoden and i enjoyed the high very much..problem is, those few pills of vicoden put me into a very bad and depressed mood for at least a day or so...so is it worth it as those mini withdrawals will just get worse and the high u get will just be less..that right there told me my brain chemistry was altered probably forever when it came to opiates...
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How many mg of oxycontin were you doing while addicted and for how long? I'm trying to come off oxy right now and really would love to be able to use every 2 months or so, but I know these "mini-withdrawals" you speak of, they're a bitch.
 
RU KIDDING????
As you can see from the various responses; you are not fooling anyone here; especiallly anyone who has done/is doing this shit. IT OWNS YOU.....4EVER. It will take you down every single time.
Stop trying to fool yourself!!

I'm not trying to offend you or anyone else here., just being real.
 
How feedback usually goes:

The people who couldn't control thier own addictions to heroin are the same people who will tell you that you can't.

The people who CAN control thier own addictions to heroin would likely not be on this site to begin, and would prob tell you that you can learn control over time, but thats just my speculation.

Whether or not you do depends on whether or not you group yourself with the 90% of addicts who don't have control over thier addictions. But there ARE some people who live by thier own rules, have a strong identity, and don't let other peoples experiences become their own.

Heroin IS one of the most addictive drugs out there however, so I'd have to go with the NA hype on this one. However, if it was a lesser opiate I would say control is much more possible.
 
I have to take ritalin and/modafinil to function at work.Without I am a depressed person who cannot remember shit, problem solve so basicaly my executive functions are completely shot. However it is nice to know I don't need to take something to keep from getting sick.
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I am the same way with remembering shit, problem solving, etc. To the point it is almost scarey. I to have been trying to convince myself that I REALLY should go pick up a new script for adderall to help me. My last run with amp's ended horrible and I dont know why I am thinking about it so much. I have been blowing off this kid who I see at NA meetings who can get it for me whenever but truthfully he is always asking me to 'help him find something' that shit drives me crazy. I dont do shit anymore. He has called probably 15 times this week.

Anyways I could just go to a doctor but I know pills will just end up hurting me. I also have a bottle of 120 30mg IR pills I have stashed at my parents house. I kinda got into a argument with my mom the other day when I was feeling like shit and I start demanding that she give me the pills. It is almost like arguing is how I communicate these days. Just a bad evening tonight I guess?
 
xxkcxx said:
It has nothing to do with letting other people's experiences change them...it is scientific fact that after using and becoming addict to addicted substances, your brain's pleasure reward center is altered. You are biologically more susceptible to future addiction, including to other drugs and process addictions.
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Addiction is not a one part process. It is two fold. That means both psychology and biology equally . Psychology has been scientifically proven to change biology. As well as biology changing psychology.

You saying "it has nothing to do" is you saying it has nothing to do with 50% of what causes addiction. And you most likely do not realize how much other peoples experiences alone have changed you. Thank you for sharing your opinion. Just because *1* thing is a fact, does not mean 2 things can't make a new fact.

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