State lawmaker proposes comprehensive approach to banning synthetic drugs

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FRANKFORT, Ky. — A western Kentucky legislator has proposed a measure that would take a comprehensive approach to cracking down on synthetic drugs that simulate the effects of marijuana, cocaine and other natural drugs.

Rep. John Tilley, a Hopkinsville Democrat, spoke about the bill at a news conference Tuesday in the Capitol Rotunda. Others who spoke included other legislators, law enforcement officers, a prosecutor, the head of the Justice Cabinet and a toxicology expert.

Tilley said in 1992, the General Assembly tried to address the synthetic drug problem by banning certain formulas. Chemists got around the law by altering those formulas. His legislation would correct that problem by banning whole classes of compounds that can be used in different ways to create drugs.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/8c61c08133ed42c698b9dcfe68983e36/KY-XGR--Synthetic-Drugs/
 

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I posted this article because the legislation it refers to is the first of its type I've seen in the US. The draft is attached. Underlined text is what you want to pay attention to.

OK so this essentially bans compounds by chemical class. For instance, it bans all cathinones, as well as all thiophene analogues of cathinones, with this language:

(45) "Synthetic cathinones" means any chemical compound which is not approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration, or if approved, which is not dispensed or possessed in accordance with state and federal law (not including bupropion or compounds listed under a different schedule) structurally derived from 2-aminopropan-1-one by substitution at the 1-position with either phenyl, naphthyl, or thiophene ring systems, whether or not the compound is further modified in one (1) or more of the following ways:


(a) By substitution in the ring system to any extent with alkyl, alkylenedioxy, alkoxy, haloalkyl, hydroxyl, or halide substituents, whether or not further substituted in the ring system by one (1) or more other univalent substituents. Examples of this class include but are not limited to 3,4-Methylenedioxycathinone (bk-MDA);

(b) By substitution at the 3-position with an acyclic alkyl substituent. Examples of this class include but are not limited to 2-methylamino-1-phenylbutan-1-one (buphedrone);

(c) By substitution at the 2-amino nitrogen atom with alkyl, dialkyl, benzyl, or methoxybenzyl groups, or by inclusion of the 2-amino nitrogen atom in a cyclic structure. Examples of this class include but are not limited to Dimethylcathinone, Ethcathinone, and -Pyrrolidinopropiophenone (-PPP); or

(d) Any other synthetic cathinone which is not approved by the United States Food and Drug Administration, or if approved, is not dispensed or possessed in accordance with state or federal law.

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If it passes, I think this is the immediate future of drug legislation in the US. Expect copycat laws in other states.
 
I doubt the science industry would at all support this bill. If it passed it would be sad day.
 
i wonder how much this will cost to actually cost the states to prosecute this law.
 
^ Ungodly amounts of money considering that any money wasted on the drug war is way too much imo.

I just don't see the point in creating loads of tests for LEO's to get confused over along with backing up testing labs because there are such a wide variety of cathinones. I don't know a whole lot about the science of testing but I guess the easiest way for them to do this would be to create a test that detects drug that fall into the class of cathinones except I don't know if that is possible, like I said, not sure if they'd have to create a test for each one-which would be insanity, or if they'd have a blanket test but from my current understanding, I'd guess the prior would be the case rather than the latter.
 
^ That was an interesting ep, I saw it maybe a week or two ago. I'm both glad and not glad they didn't cover any of the psyche RC's-glad because they don't need any attention, not glad because they completely focused on the horror stories of RC stims and that isn't the only thing that has come out of the RC scene, not to belittle the deaths and whatnot, I just know people that have had some very important, enlightening 2c-e trips; and that is just one of the psychedelic RC's.
 
I hadn't seen this posted yet so sorry if it has been:

New Jersey executive order banning *all* synthetic cannabinoids (press release)
PDF of order

I definitely think this is going to be the future of US RC legislation.

The Order announced today bans ten entire classes of synthetic compounds that imitate the effects of marijuana, and all known or unknown variants of the drug that would fall within each class. The Order also expressly includes "any other synthetic chemical compound that is a cannabinoid receptor agonist and mimics the pharmacological effect of naturally occurring cannabinoids" - in other words, any synthetic chemical that mimics the effects on the brain of marijuana's active ingredient.
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The sad thing is I don't think even the blanket bans will stop spice/bath salts, it'll just drive it underground. They'll still get smuggled in or made clandestinely, quality will drop.Chemist will make even more exotic, possible more dangerous compounds to bypass the laws.All the problems from prohibition of other drugs will be present with these new bans. We may be in a new age of designer drugs.
 
They can ban all cannabinoid receptor agonists, but they can't do the same with stims (i.e. banning all monoamine releasers / reuptake inhibitors) [anyone wanna guess why not?]

What they can try to do is ban all tryptamines, all phenethylamines and all phenyltropanes. Even that can get mad tricky for them, but they may try.

In the meantime, banning all cathinones is legally feasible. I don't think there are any naturally occurring cathinones that may get accidentally caught up in that process.
 
235360287471352662 said:
FRANKFORT, Ky. — A western Kentucky legislator has proposed a measure that would take a comprehensive approach to cracking down on synthetic drugs that simulate the effects of marijuana, cocaine and other natural drugs.

Rep. John Tilley, a Hopkinsville Democrat, spoke about the bill at a news conference Tuesday in the Capitol Rotunda. Others who spoke included other legislators, law enforcement officers, a prosecutor, the head of the Justice Cabinet and a toxicology expert.

Tilley said in 1992, the General Assembly tried to address the synthetic drug problem by banning certain formulas. Chemists got around the law by altering those formulas. His legislation would correct that problem by banning whole classes of compounds that can be used in different ways to create drugs.

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/8c61c08133ed42c698b9dcfe68983e36/KY-XGR--Synthetic-Drugs/
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oh look, another anti-medical-research anti-cognitive-freedom bill.

this one looks like a good one. it'll make entire classes off limits except to the wealthiest-backed scientists, and it'll force anybody buying synthetic cannabinoids to enter the grey market, where they can be introduced to things like muggings and heroin.
 
sekio said:
This looks frigteningly similar to the UK Phenethylamine Ban, and that passed just fine.
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Seems like the reason the UK is the #1 drug using country is because of the draconian measures used to prevent them. This is why the UK created such an insane 4MMC market that it made rc's all over the world look like the new meth.

I hope that this tactic is not adapted, and as someone else stated, it would be devastating to science (we all know what happens when a chemical becomes schedule I, and im sure even the fucked jwh cannabinoids have SOME medicinal use)

MDAI clearly has therapeutic potential as well, and surely the 2c's

2-FMA could be patented as the next cure for adhd...on and on.
 
235360287471352662 said:
They can ban all cannabinoid receptor agonists, but they can't do the same with stims (i.e. banning all monoamine releasers / reuptake inhibitors) [anyone wanna guess why not?]

What they can try to do is ban all tryptamines, all phenethylamines and all phenyltropanes. Even that can get mad tricky for them, but they may try.

In the meantime, banning all cathinones is legally feasible. I don't think there are any naturally occurring cathinones that may get accidentally caught up in that process.
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I really dont think any tryptamines (at most, maybe a 5-methoxy) will get banned anytime soon. They already have their hands full with these current bills, which do contain the 2c-x compounds but not 4-subs. And hopefully even that won't pass. If we're lucky, we'll just get a bunch of state laws against blends, and that suits me just fine. This really should just be an issue for the gas stations that sell random crap in fancy packages. WHICH BTW i dont see much of around here (US, Northeast)

This is not the UK= I dont see stores with party pills and bath salts everywhere, so I dont see what the problem is. Maybe somewhere in the midwest, but I have yet to see anything besides headshops with incense.
 
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