Starting my first steriod cycle of sus 250

The only product I've found that has both the aromatase inhibitor and competitive antagonists in a natural supplement is LG Science's Formadrol
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You're gonna be using it for PCT right? AIs shouldn't be used for PCT.... You only need the antagonist.
 
Im really only researching at the moment i was more interested in the Resveratrol and Ellagic Acid...what ive read about formadrol is that it will only help with other pct drugs..what are thoughts on this subject???
 
Honestly, I think you should get nolvadex and clomid. Those drugs are KNOWN and PROVEN to work. The stuff you're researching might work just as good as nolva/clomid. Or they might not work at all. We don't have enough data about them. Resveratrol can increase test levels and sperm production in some cases, but how does it do this ? We need to know HOW it works, so we can know if it would work for PCT.
But why bother researching and using stuff that may not even help. Get nolva and clomid man. Go to a doctor, ask for a prescription. Or get them from other countries. They're worth it.
 
I'd go w/ aromasin over adex for e2/bloat during your cycle. It works better for most guys, no rebound and can be used during pct.
Letro is too strong it will take your e2 down to nothing, you should use that only if you're getting gyno problems.
And for pct you don't really need clomid and nolva, just one to jumpstart your balls. Different people have different preferences. Just go with what you can get easier/cheaper.
All this crap can be found all over the internet.

And pinning your sust. more often is better. I'd go every 3 days at like 200-250. That'd keep your blood levels more stable than splitting 500 bi-weekly.

Assuming you work out properly and your diets dialed in ~10lbs lbm would be considered decent.
 
Psychonomic said:
I'd go w/ aromasin over adex for e2/bloat during your cycle. It works better for most guys, no rebound and can be used during pct.
Letro is too strong it will take your e2 down to nothing, you should use that only if you're getting gyno problems.
And for pct you don't really need clomid and nolva, just one to jumpstart your balls. Different people have different preferences. Just go with what you can get easier/cheaper.
All this crap can be found all over the internet.

And pinning your sust. more often is better. I'd go every 3 days at like 200-250. That'd keep your blood levels more stable than splitting 500 bi-weekly.

Assuming you work out properly and your diets dialed in ~10lbs lbm would be considered decent.
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I personally wouldn't touch an AI on cycle if you don't need to.. your body needs estrogen, I can't see 500mg Test only being an issue...

Nolva and clomid work by a different mechanism of action, nolva blocks the estrogen receptor, clomid is better at stimulating LH:

Because of the antagonistic effects of enclomiphene, the drug has the potential to increase serum testosterone levels in men with secondary hypogonadism by restoring physiological endogenous testosterone secretion while maintaining testicular volume and, potentially, spermatogenesis. In clinical trials conducted to date, enclomiphene demonstrated significant efficacy in the physiological restoration of testosterone levels in males with secondary hypogonadism.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19204885

.... But as I stated before I'd probably taper:

Weeks 1-10: 500mg test/week
Week 11-12: 100mg
Week 13: 75mg
Week 14: 50mg

Arimidex .125-.25mg/day week 10, and continue till week 16. I would recommend tapering off this as well so that by week 16 you are only using .25mg eod.
 
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No it wouldn't and no you can't gain 10lbs of lbm in one week unless you're some genetic anomaly.

nolys said:
10lbs would be considered miniscule gains. I could gain that in a week on 30mg dbol (though how much of that is water I don't know, I never lost any of my dbol weight apart from maybe a lb or 2 out of 20)
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I dont no if this is true or not but a guy i work with sez he gained 10kg in 12 weeks on sus 250..there seems to be many claims through out the net on gains like this and not just sus 250 lots of different roids
 
yep thats the plan ill be going with i just dont no what or how im gonna go about the arimidex im worried if i order it on line it will get ceased at australian customs?
 
yep i agree ill be pinning twice a week for sure already ordered and received my needles 21s gauge 1 inch for sucking up the goods and 25s for injecting
 
If thats you in the picture bro you are a Genetic freak a fucken monster...looks like you could crush my head with one hand...lol
 
shakedamuss said:
I dont no if this is true or not but a guy i work with sez he gained 10kg in 12 weeks on sus 250..there seems to be many claims through out the net on gains like this and not just sus 250 lots of different roids
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10kg total yeah, 10kg lbm (pure muscle), no.

The ceiling is around 2lbs/month under ideal conditions (perfect genetics, training, diet, etc.) natty. No one has this growth except the perfect beginner.
Beat that with your planned cycle and you're doing good.

If you like anecdotes, consider Arnold, who's admitted to steroid use, has stated his biggest year ever was about 25lbs lean.

Ask your coworker what magically enchanted sust. he used to match those gains in one 12 week cycle.
 
Psychonomic said:
No it wouldn't and no you can't gain 10lbs of lbm in one week unless you're some genetic anomaly.
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Where did I say I gained 10lbs of lbm?
I actually never said that at any point of the comment? Please explain?

And yes it is... Anyone who gains 10 lbs from 12+ weeks of test is either not eating right or not training right or at all.
I could pull up a study that would say with a dose of 600mg a week you on average gain I think just around 10lbs lbm by sitting on your ass and doing nothing...
 
nolys:
Scroll up and re-read your post #27.
You quote me saying ~10 lbs lbm would be decent from the cycle and reply that would be miniscule and that you can do 10 lbs in a week. You leave out lbm, but your post infers you are also referring to lbm.
If you were not then why use 10lbs and why even quote me in the first place? 8)

GL with the cycle OP, I'm out of this thread before nolys derails it anymore.
 
nolys said:
Where did I say I gained 10lbs of lbm?
I actually never said that at any point of the comment? Please explain?

And yes it is... Anyone who gains 10 lbs from 12+ weeks of test is either not eating right or not training right or at all.
I could pull up a study that would say with a dose of 600mg a week you on average gain I think just around 10lbs lbm by sitting on your ass and doing nothing...
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Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy doesn't work that way.....
 
I got my gear but i spoke to the man he told me to have a couple of ml a week is this because of 250mg/ml meaning 2cc or 2ml of the testosterone will give you 500mg; you can inject all 500mg once per week or split it into two even 250mg doses approximately is this correct? if so i thought when you said 500mg a week that total amount to inject. i feel like a bit of a goose..
 
shakedamuss said:
I got my gear but i spoke to the man he told me to have a couple of ml a week is this because of 250mg/ml meaning 2cc or 2ml of the testosterone will give you 500mg; you can inject all 500mg once per week or split it into two even 250mg doses approximately is this correct? if so i thought when you said 500mg a week that total amount to inject. i feel like a bit of a goose..
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The problem with Sustanon 250 (if it is one), is that it contains a mix of 4 esters attached to the Testosterone molecule... Each of different amounts, with different half-lifes..

Propionate 30mg (2 days)
Phenylpropionate 60mg (2 days)
Iscaproate 60mg (4 days)
Decanoate 100mg (7 days)

It has been suggested to inject according to the ester with the shortest half-life Propionate + Phenylpropionate (2 days), to keep relatively stable blood levels and hopefully keep estrogen management under control (strong peaks and troughs can spike E2)

Bit of a pain pinning EOD so might be best off pinning twice a week rather than once IMO... Even better, every 3 days..!! but no drama if you don't...
 
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