Staff Feedback Staffers abuse their roles here

[kiely]

Yah you are just in the cross fires of it all

But please don't Troll everybody so much ali

I never did anything ANYTHING to you Intentionally.


And I seriously doubt if you want to see my fuckin ass or clit either

Fuck I don't even wanna look at it at this point

And I DON'T TAKE IN SQUATTERS

but thanks anyway, RIGHT

 

[alasdairm]

I never did anything ANYTHING to you Intentionally.

again, i have no idea what you're talking about nor what you might be trying to imply.

alasdair

 

[alasdairm]

now i'm going to get banned by big bad admin because I spelled ALASDAIR

neither you, nor anybody, will ever be banned for simply providing feedback and criticism as long as it's civil.

i've removed a handful of off-topic posts.

please keep this thread on topic.

ty.

alasdair

 

[kiely]

Thank You.

 

[Shambles]

perhaps people would prefer to have machines as mods

This is an underrated comment.

What exactly is the alternative? Afaik, AI cannot currently successfully moderate forums - even if some may prefer that. So it’s gonna be us humans for at least a while yet.

As humans, we have biases, blind spots, addictions - all manner of human foibles. Obviously we (at least in ideal circumstances) do our utmost to avoid letting such things interfere with our moderation work.

I don’t know any of the specifics of the complaints raised here, but I can confirm to anybody who has not been on staff here that many, many eyes are on pretty much all decisions.

It simply doesn’t seem feasible to me that any staff member could seriously harass any member, or indeed abuse their power significantly for any length of time without it being flagged by other staff. We are not a monolith and can and do call out any instances of staff abuses we witness.

Doesn’t mean it’s impossible for things to fall through the cracks, but it’s highly unlikely imo.

Are we perfect? Good lord no. But malice towards members is something I’ve honestly never come across. But, naturally, we continue to try to be better… until the machines take over

 

[helpingout]

neither you, nor anybody, will ever be banned for simply providing feedback and criticism as long as it's civil.

i've removed a handful of off-topic posts.

please keep this thread on topic.

ty.

alasdair

Hey,
Just wondering since you ignored my emails and closed my threads.

I understand how my statement fitting name malevolent could be interpreted as insult if it’s isolated. But it was part of a larger moral rebuke of eugenics.

How was it determined that my statement personally insults malevolent when I wrote it to rebuke the plausibility of eugenics scenario play?

It’s not an insult. The only thing I know about malevolent are public things I’ve read in
Posts over years. (sorry) I didnt attack them for anything regarding their character, their identity, nothing.

I was rebuking the morality of proposing scenarios where eugenics would be practiced by saying that the name malevolent fit the practice eugenics also the subject being discussed.

This was intended to say that planning scenarios where eugenics is practiced is malevolent.

Whatever dudes. If site policy is not to resolve user disputes by closing threads, ignoring emails, and just not caring then that’s fine.

The point is I’m not trying to insult malevolent as much as they weren’t trying to insult themselves when they called their account that.

Yours,

HO

 

[Jnowhere]

Never got any issues with mods or staff personal...got some deleted post in the past because was violating some BL rules-it's alright .....well idk nothin' about these Reddit mods of BL...or discord mods...may be there is different

You, haven't pissed 'them' off.

 

[mal3volent]

This was intended to say that planning scenarios where eugenics is practiced is malevolent.

Whatever dudes. If site policy is not to resolve user disputes by closing threads, ignoring emails, and just not caring then that’s fine.

The point is I’m not trying to insult malevolent as much as they weren’t trying to insult themselves when they called their account that.

Yours,

HO

You have no clue what the relevance of my username is to me.

One of the rules of cep is no ad homs. When you diverged from criticism of my opinions to criticism of me personally, that is the definition of ad hominem. I mean, you weren't ever engaging in good faith to start with. Your tone with me and others has been snarky and combative from the start and you were misrepresenting my words in this particular instance.

Since the post hasn't been deleted, and you claim you were never attacking my character, what do you suppose was the intent of this statement?

Of course you would call eugenics an attempt to improve genetic quality. Such a rosy view of everything despicable all the time

Of course me? You seem to be once again directing your energy towards the person rather than the argument. "Of course you, such a rosy view of everything despicable, fitting name malevolent..."

The rules in cep are there for a reason, to make sure threads don't get derailed with arguing and bickering. If you want to troll me a bit go to the lounge where I'm free to return the favor.

Stop wasting staffs time with this constant bitching over a single point you clearly deserved.

 

[Kellsee]

All of this reminds me of this game a teacher once played with her class.

She walked around the room and whispered into each student’s ear whether they were a witch or just a regular person.

Then she told everyone ….

Try to form the biggest group you can without a witch. If your group has even just one witch…everyone in that group fails

The energy of the entire room shifted. Everyone started interrogating each other.

Are you a witch?

How do we know you’re not lying?

Some students clung to one big group but most broke off into smaller… exclusive cliques….turning away anyone who seemed even the slightest bit uncertain, nervous or guilty.

All of the sudden everyone had became suspicious of everyone….whispering….finger pointing. Trust dissolved almost instantly.

Finally the teacher said,
“Alright, time to find out who fails. Witches, raise your hands.”

Not one hand went up.

The whole class exploded. “Wait! You messed up the game!”

And then the teacher asked
“Did I? Were there any actual witches in Salem, or did everyone just believe what they were told?”


That’s when it hit them. No witch was ever needed for the damage to happen. Fear had already done its work. Suspicion alone had divided the entire class… turning community into chaos.

This is exactly whats happening everywhere today.
Different words, same playbook.
Instead of “witch,” it’s liberal….conservative… vaxxed…unvaxxed…pro-this… anti-that.
The labels may change but the tactic is still all the same.

To get people scared….get them suspicious….get them divided.

Then just sit back while all the trust crumbles.

It wasn’t even the witches that were dangerous. It was all the rumors….the suspicion…the fear

We just keep falling for it. We’re killing each other. For absolutely no reason. We’ve got to stop playing these games. Refuse to hear the whispers.

Because as soon as we start hunting for witches….we’ve already lost.

 

[Kellsee]

And @kiely I totally get everything you said and feel exactly where you were coming from. It probably just went over a few heads is all lol. I get and love your sarcasm. Even it comes with good intent. You are intense and passionate. But it’s because you really care and you’re very genuine. Integrity doesn’t waver. You either have it or you don’t. Theres not much middle ground. You’re so totally solid and I just love you too pieces always

 

[alasdairm]

Just wondering since you ignored my emails and closed my threads.

when you received the warning, you received an automated dm from the moderator who issued it. if you have questions, you can pick them up in that dm.

The point is I’m not trying to insult malevolent as much as they weren’t trying to insult themselves when they called their account that.

as mal notes here, you have no idea what his username means to him.

alasdair

 

[alasdairm]

i'm traveling and still don't have as much access as i usually do. i am going to try to unpack some of this and provide some answers and some comments. addressing everything may take some time so please bear with us.

Say something a staffer doesn't like? They'll issue you a "warning" & remove your shit.

you were not warned because some staffer didn't like what you wrote. you were warned - and the comment removed - because this is what you wrote:

"STFU. Your responses to me are always condescending bullshit.
Yeah the TQ+ went around calling themselves pedophiles for 10+ years.

R/NotADragQueen

Kinda scary that some one with your attitude is allowed to be "staff" at a harm reduction website. I'd say people like you are a liability here.
Keep licking those boots." (my emphasis)

if you choose to post insults, you - and anybody else - will be warned and edited. simple as.

if you, or anybody else, feels i am minimising your complaint i am sorry but it's just laughable that you chose to characterise this as oppression. you broke the rules, clearly and simply, and foreigner dealt with it by the book.

alasdair

 

[helpingout]

You have no clue what the relevance of my username is to me.

One of the rules of cep is no ad homs. When you diverged from criticism of my opinions to criticism of me personally, that is the definition of ad hominem. I mean, you weren't ever engaging in good faith to start with. Your tone with me and others has been snarky and combative from the start and you were misrepresenting my words in this particular instance.

Since the post hasn't been deleted, and you claim you were never attacking my character, what do you suppose was the intent of this statement?



Of course me? You seem to be once again directing your energy towards the person rather than the argument. "Of course you, such a rosy view of everything despicable, fitting name malevolent..."

The rules in cep are there for a reason, to make sure threads don't get derailed with arguing and bickering. If you want to troll me a bit go to the lounge where I'm free to return the favor.

Stop wasting staffs time with this constant bitching over a single point you clearly deserved.

You have no clue what the relevance of my username is to me.

One of the rules of cep is no ad homs. When you diverged from criticism of my opinions to criticism of me personally, that is the definition of ad hominem. I mean, you weren't ever engaging in good faith to start with. Your tone with me and others has been snarky and combative from the start and you were misrepresenting my words in this particular instance.

Since the post hasn't been deleted, and you claim you were never attacking my character, what do you suppose was the intent of this statement?



Of course me? You seem to be once again directing your energy towards the person rather than the argument. "Of course you, such a rosy view of everything despicable, fitting name malevolent..."

The rules in cep are there for a reason, to make sure threads don't get derailed with arguing and bickering. If you want to troll me a bit go to the lounge where I'm free to return the favor.

Stop wasting staffs time with this constant bitching over a single point you clearly deserved.

The site has been overrun by idiots who want to play word chain games and fantasize about football and what other users look like naked and discuss their twisted political perspectives with other like minded individuals while reporting individuals for any violation they can identify.

I engaged with your arguement despite your ignorance to that. The thing in your quote I referred to as despicable was eugenics and of course you, the individual with opinions which are despicable, would suggest that the eugenics scenarios were not eugenics scenarios but just standard on topic responses to what to do about welfare. Of course you would vehemently believe that statement was about you the individual when the statement was about the opinion you the individual had shared on the topic of eugenics. Criticizing your opinion isn’t a criticism of you the human being.

People are actively seeking harm reduction advice and good people are here providing that.

Good people consistently go into ce and p and try to offer a sound rational perspective like maybe eugenics isn’t the solution. Maybe we should just feeed people. And then get rick rolled into a conservative Chinese finger trap of worthiness and deservedness and playing god on who goes to sleep hungry at night.

Your crude insult by attacking my raising concerns about my warning point as bitching is actually an insulting insult.

Maybe you get a point for it, but I won’t report you, I find it typical of your behavior on the site.

You and your guys can have this website

All the problems I ever had on bluelight had nothing to do with harm reduction and everything to do with my chance encounters with you and your friends on c e and p.

I’m done attempting to reduce the harm of opioid addiction on bluelight.

Let misinformation and malevolence reign.

Goodbye.

 

[Foreigner]

The site has been overrun by idiots who want to play word chain games and fantasize about football and what other users look like naked and discuss their twisted political perspectives with other like minded individuals while reporting individuals for any violation they can identify.

I engaged with your arguement despite your ignorance to that. The thing in your quote I referred to as despicable was eugenics and of course you, the individual with opinions which are despicable, would suggest that the eugenics scenarios were not eugenics scenarios but just standard on topic responses to what to do about welfare. Of course you would vehemently believe that statement was about you the individual when the statement was about the opinion you the individual had shared on the topic of eugenics. Criticizing your opinion isn’t a criticism of you the human being.

People are actively seeking harm reduction advice and good people are here providing that.

Good people consistently go into ce and p and try to offer a sound rational perspective like maybe eugenics isn’t the solution. Maybe we should just feeed people. And then get rick rolled into a conservative Chinese finger trap of worthiness and deservedness and playing god on who goes to sleep hungry at night.

Your crude insult by attacking my raising concerns about my warning point as bitching is actually an insulting insult.

Maybe you get a point for it, but I won’t report you, I find it typical of your behavior on the site.

You and your guys can have this website

All the problems I ever had on bluelight had nothing to do with harm reduction and everything to do with my chance encounters with you and your friends on c e and p.

I’m done attempting to reduce the harm of opioid addiction on bluelight.

Let misinformation and malevolence reign.

Goodbye.

I'm sorry to see you go, but I just wanted to reiterate that your posts in CEP were well-written besides the ad hom attacks. Even in your post above, you make very valid argument about the conflict of "welfare worthiness" when in fact people just need structural supports. It's important for posters to be willing to receive feedback and reflect on their approaches to posting so that the community can function better. Your infraction was not intended as a personal attack on you, or to suggest that you are unwelcome here. It was an opportunity for self-insight and how to work better with this community. You are not hated, quite the opposite.

CEP has more stringent guidelines about ad homs because the entire sub was previously shelved due to the nature of some of the discussions, and there was no clearly established path on how to bring it back. The staff decided that in order to keep it civil and to avoid posting that was problematic to the general inclusive mission of Bluelight, it needed more guard rails than other subs on the site. For the most part these limitations have been functional and successful. Compare that to some of the other political forums I partake in online, which are very intense battle grounds with all kinds of hurtful mudslinging. It's not for the faint of heart. Whereas here, on BL, people come here for harm reduction advice from all walks of life and are in varying states and sensitive headspaces. We have to account for that and take a more soft approach here. CEP is a social sub-unit of a harm reduction website, which is why it can't function as a total free speech zone like on other sites which are dedicated purely to politics. I hope you can appreciate that. There's no conspiracy against you, we just have to take care.

I invite you to stick around and continue posting your political thoughts. Just don't make digs at people in CEP and all will be well. Perhaps you can turn your "goodbye" into a temporary break, and then come back to join the community. I believe I can speak for all of the staff when I say that nobody is going to think less of you just because you got an infraction. You should see my infraction history... yes I have one. And now I'm a mod. *Shrug* Shit happens. Cleanse and move on.

 

[deficiT]

I'm not even on staff anymore and this stuff is still just as exhausting.

Every perceived personal slight on here turns into a point of contention and a new reason to scream about the unfair mods and heap inaccurate criticisms on the people that keep the site functioning. And then the other long time jaded users get a renewed sense of self importance so they can start harping on the same shit they've been harping about for years, and it always just turns into this obnoxious public spectacle. I'd argue this does more damage to the site than "biased moderation".

I think people just need to get over themselves and learn how to let shit go and interact in public settings. It's a community that's ran democratically, it's not your personal platform to use however you want. You're still posting, right? So nothing the mods did could really be all that serious. Everyone has this nauseating victim complex and inflated ego, and it makes the site difficult to even login and contribute to. Did you even try reaching out to senior staff privately before making a thread bitching about this?

People aren't capable of seeing those on the other side of the screen as a fully realized and nuanced human being, and every other user or mod is just a strawman to place your preconceived notions and opinions about the world onto. Ultimately this is all such heinous and antisocial Karen behavior. It's like this on every website and platform now, Bluelight is just a microcosm of that.

Managing a massive community of people that use drugs is inherently chaotic, and it's impossible to please everyone and not have human error or bias in rendered judgement. But the mods are all people, who have contributed a lot of time to maintaining the site.

Instead of lashing out at everything that makes you upset, you could always volunteer to help implement the changes you want to see. Or use your time here to make the community more positive or supportive, instead of a podium for airing your personal grievances.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Damn, I did not expect this thread to take off the way it did!

I took a break from BL & almost contemplated not coming back, although this has happened numerous times now & I always end up coming back, usually. I'm too devoted to the topic of pharmacology, harm reduction & there just aren't any other places like BL out there where I can go be myself & not look like junkie scum to the average person in society.

@Quasimoto I really appreciate your words! I'm actually glad I came back or I would not have seen what you said. I actually didn't know all that about the admin & all the changes. I definitely agree it's gotten worse over the past several years. I think we should be allowed to ignore/block a staff member if they're on your ass for no reason or being a douche. After all they're still humans with flaws, but it's important that BL creates a place with a little less hostility. Especially from staffers. Cause then it just pushes good people away from this community & away from learning or even helping other people. I think I've helped quite a lot of people. I've had people message me personally & thank me for helping them get through withdrawal or for helping them do something safely. Or helping them learn something. That's why I'm truly here. I'm always in search of new information & knowledge about medicine, biology, harm reduction, etc...But some times the shit that goes on on this site can really piss me off & I've debated so many times on just never even bothering to come back.

@alasdairm I'm a little lazy at the moment, it's almost 2am here. But once instance was a couple years back & me & Mal3volent got into over the vaccine debate & he gave me a warning point. This was because I did not agree with the consesus surrounding covid & the vaccines at the time. But I love Mal3volent now ironically, so it's whatever, but it's an example. A few people who attacked me back then ended up actually coming around & being decent people to me in the end.

My latest issue was with Foreigner. He/she/whatever has been quoting me in other people's posts & responding in really condescending manners. Being really dismissive & rude. The other day on a post I brought up how right-wingers have a problem with calling LGBTQ people pedophiles & they said it was the "TQ"'s fault for that (I'm sure if anyone wants to go back through my posts/comments it's gotta be in one the most recent ones unless they deleted it). And I told them to stfu. I probably did break BL rules in that reply (not by much) but of course I'm gonna be pissed at some one making a stupid transphobic comment like that. And especially saying it's "trans" people's fault that right-wingers call us all pedophiles? Really? And then of course he (i'm assuming Foreigner is a he) turned around & removed my comment & gave me a warning point for it. And that's bullshit. Not being able to ignore/block this jerk means they can reply to everything I say & try to push my buttons so they can keep issuing me warning points. It's ridiculous. I've been here a long time & I have a little bit of pharmacology knowledge & I have tons of experience with things, so I'm here to help people & learn & just share my views. I've helped correct & report any kind of misinformation that I see that can either harm or just mislead people (i.e. - I once saw some one saying clonazepam causes liver failure in a thread & it had been there a long time until I reported that it was complete misinformation).

I'm never on here intentionally being mean to people or blaming trans folks for their own oppression or anything like that. So even if I did break some BL rule out of anger in my reply to this dude, I still don't believe it's fair to issue me a warning point for it. Especially from himself. Remove my comment if you want, but Foreigner needs to leave me the hell alone. None of his replies to me are ever about helping me learn or correcting anything, it's always just condescending smug attitude. It would be nice to be able to block/ignore a staffer just like any other poster, cause some of them just love the power of being able to do shit like that to people. And I've contributed a lot to BL over the years. I don't need anybody on my ass constantly condescendingly replying to everything I say, because then it just makes me not want to even get on here & check my notifications. And if that can happen to me, then how many other good-natured & well intentioned people are getting bullied or turned off from this site?

I've dealt with similar things from other people in the not too distant past, but they weren't staffers. Just people who would gang up on me & tell me my information was wrong when it's clearly not. And then they'll turn around & end up saying the same information I said, just worded slightly differently, to try & make me look like I'm fucking stupid. Thankfully that hasn;'t happened in awhile but it was getting beyond ridiculous at one point. And to be fair, if I had posted wrong information, I'm all for being corrected. Misinformation SHOULD be corrected. Except that's not what was happening in any of the instances, it was just people with huge ego's who desperately wanted to feel like they were intellectually superior & targeted me for that. And then of course because I don't enjoy putting up with bullshit, they're arguing with me would always get me to a place where I would start saying thinigs that would get my replies removed. Dealing with this pushed me off this site for a few months awhile back.

So I'm not sure what can really be done about it, but it would be nice if there was a way to make BL a less hostile-place, while still allowing people to express themselves. I mean if Foreigner can say trans people are pedos, why am I in the wrong for telling him to shut the fuck up or calling him ignorant? I violated BL rules but saying the "TQ" folks are why right wingers call us all pedophiles is okay? I'm sure a transgendered drug user is really gonna love coming across something like THAT from a staffer on here.

I don't particularly understand transgenderism myself, but I don't have to understand it to realize that trans people are people just like everybody else & deserve compassion & to be treated kindly, just like how I would want to be treated. I'm also not here to make transphobic comments that have absolutely fuck-all to do with drugs or harm reduction.

Personally, I think staffers should refrain from political & identity discourse at all really. If I know a staffer here is transphobic & I'm a trans person, I might not feel comfortable taking their advice about drugs or a serious situation. Nor do we know if a staffer harbors that kind of vitriol what kind of things they might do to a user on here that they don't like. That's the biggest thing about this last incident that ruibbed me the wrong way & made me feel like posting this.


Over all though, I truly loved BL at one point. I actually have BL to thank for helping me learn a lot of what I know now. I was actually here long before I even made this account. People like @plumbus-nine for example are incredible. Perfect example of a normal person who's goal is to help educate others about pharmacology, biology, pharmacokinetics. Not whatever crap people like Foreigner & deficit love doing. Always helping me learn & sharing information with me, never attacking me or starting arguments over whatever political or cultural differences we might share. I've made friends on here who I now speak to offline, almost daily some times & mean a lot to me now. In the end, we're all drug users here (mostly) and we all need to stick together & help each other. Being a staffer & being condescending & rude to people (especially people who have been here for a long time like I have) for no reason or because you don't like their politics is just ridiculous behavior & unprofessional. Although that's just my opinion. And for the record, even if there are crazy people in the "TQ" crowd, it still doesn't make whatever hate ALL LGBTQ people get acceptable. And it certainly isn't trans or queers folks fault that we get it either. It's the fault of ignorant people who are afraid of anyone different than they are. I take it quite personally being a gay man myself. I will always stick up for the underdogs in our society & the people who arer different. I'm an extremely unique character myself, although nobody would know it just looking at me from the outside, since I appear like a relatively normal "straight" man. But even in the gay community, I'm quite different. And I think it's important to speak up for others because I wouldn't have my rights today as a gay man if others hadn't of stuck up for & spoken out for gays before me.

Maybe I'm being a party pooper for those who enjoy getting on here & spreading their political & identity politics stuff, but I'm mostly here to talk about drugs, human rights, bodily autonomy, pharmacology, pharmacokinetics, biology, drug laws, chemistry, etc...

I appreciate everyone else here who responded to me personally or shared their experience with issues they're having on here. I would tag you all but you all know who you are & it's waaay past my bed time!

Happy Thanksgiving as well, to all who celebrated it today!
Cheers!


Let's try to do better, Bluelight. Or all the OG's & people with all the knowledge & the nice people, are gonna leave in droves. I've noticed a handful of people I use to enjoy seeing around completely gone already. And we need all the brains we can get here to keep harm reduction possible & maybe even change the world's perceptions on drugs & the people who use them as a whole!

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Instead of lashing out at everything that makes you upset, you could always volunteer to help implement the changes you want to see. Or use your time here to make the community more positive or supportive, instead of a podium for airing your personal grievances.

Your condescending attitude is exactly what I'm talking about.
Yeah, calling trans & queer people pedophiles is just a "slight perceived aggression".

Take that horse shit elsewhere. This is a drug forum, not a place for bigots to spew their ignorant BS. And of course the person who did this "liked" your comment because they're glad you agree with their abuse of their staff duties. (Foreigner).

I've had numerous people approach me & thank me for helping them with the bernese method & withdrawing off opioids & benzos & all kinds of shit. But yeah all I do is "turn BL into a podium to air my greivances". This is literally the first post of this nature that I've ever even made. But of course you need to exaggerate & be extra dramatic about it.

You just make up shit as you go long to fit whatever bias narrative you're pushing. I've had numerous problems with you as well, thank god you aren't staff anymore either. Weren't you one of the ones who called me a mass killer / terrorist for not getting vaccinated a few years back? It might've been F.U.B.A.R. at the time, there's been so many of you harassing me for years that it's hard to keep track at this point. You have a lot nerve talking about turning BL into a podium for your grievances when you go around attacking people you don't like FOR YEARS. As a matter of fact, you literally WERE one of these types of staffers I speak of back during the whole pandemic bullshit. I don't get on here to attack anybody.

"People need to just let me harass them & insult them & then let it go, but when they do it back to me, they need to be censored & given a warning" - Foreigner, Someguyontheinternet & Deficit

Think ya'll missed the point. You're literally telling people they need to "let it go", well maybe ya'll need to "let it go" when people give you a taste of your own medicine back. Instead you abuse your staffer duties by harassing people to the point where they get pissed, so you can issue them a warning or remove whatever they say, while leaving what you said up. But what happened to "letting it go"??? Rules for thee but not for me, obviously.

You know you have the choice to just shut up & not say anything if you have nothing nice to say to people right? Why would you purposefully wanna create a a hostile environment on a site where people seek out help & information anyway? Calling people terrorists or pedophiles is "perceived aggression" to you? Nice way to downplay your bullshit. Harassing people who aren't even speaking to you by constantly replying to everything they say in a post is just "perceived aggression". Yet you're telling me to shut up & not speak out or talk back to anyone who comes at me with an attitude or talks shit? Fuck that dude. You really have a lo to nerve.

It's a little hard to volunteer on a site when all of the information, help & time I have volunteered isn't even acknowledged by people like you. Not to mention the fact that I have to take extended breaks in order to deal with people's bullshit on here in order to not get my account banned entirely. It's ridiculous. Why don't YOU create a better environment for people to want to be in? More positive & supportive? Sticking up for trans people IS positive & supportive! Wtf drugs are you on dude? Lots of projection & delusions coming from you, deficit. Why don't you go tell Foreigner to be more "positive & supportive" when he's throwing queer & trans people under the bus.

I spent over a month talking to one person daily in private messages & helping them get off fentanyl with Suboxone & subsequently off opioids altogether. A complete stranger. And they're not the only ones I've given my time to & helped. Not to count all the ones I've also helped openly on their threads when they posted about it. So your little comment about me being completely useless here is not only a lie, but incredibly disingenuous & fucked up. You clearly did nothing but make assumptions for your entire response about me, to fit the bias you already hold against me. Which also goes to show that your whole "perceived aggression" aren't "perceived" & are in fact, intentional. Especially when you gotta bend the truth to even say what you want to say.

I'm here to learn & help people who use drugs. You're here to piss people off & then act condescending & "holier than thou" when they bring it up for once.
And this is another example of the absolute gaslighting that goes on here on BL. You bring up an issue & they'll literally sit there & make shit up to make you look like you're just a whiner. This shit is so annoying.


I've never ONCE been an asshole to anyone on here for NO REASON. And that speaks more to my character than people like deficits, someguyontheinternet & foreigner. Ya'll sit there & fuck with people & then downplay it when they get pissed & then talk even more condescending bullshit rather than being real men & saying "Shit, yeah that was wrong of me to do to you, sorry".

It's VERY clear to me staffers (and their non-staffer cronies) pull this shit on people, because it's the only way they get any sense of power, like a damned reddit mod or something. For the thousandth time, I'm here to learn pharmacology & help other people, not here to deal with your annoying, condescending smugness. No one's FORCING YOU or Foreigner to need to reply to every damn thing I say in a post, yet ya'll do it anyway. And it's never anything POSITIVE OR SUPPORTIVE, it's always condescending attacks, just like this crap you posted here! How about following your own advice & expectations first before telling others to?

@Quasimoto & @alasdairm Some of the friends I've made & speak to offline refuse to come back on here because of these 3 & their harassment, along with others. None of them have taught me anything, helped me with anything or even had anything nice to say to or about me, yet here they are acting intellectually & morally superior, like always. While making shit up as well. I'd say I helped at least 5 people this year alone, who needed somebody to help them get through withdrawals, mostly from fentanyl. I didn't have to give those people my time, but I did. And I ain't a staffer or being paid, I'm just not an asshole to people. I've also commented on countless posts adding correct pharmacology & information. Or asked for information. But then I have people like deficit sitting there saying I do nothing positive or supportive. It's complete bullshit.


I think I might be done here. I can always finish my research on pharmacology & chemistry on my own. I did get on here today to ask a post about long term intranasal drug use & reoccurring chest infections but I assume everyone will be too busy either talking identity politics or condescendingly harassing some one so they can feel better about themselves, so who has time for genuine harm reduction on here anymore right?

 

[alasdairm]

Being really dismissive & rude.

as i've said, report problematic posts and we'll take a look.

you've been a bluelighter 5 years and have reported 3 posts - less than 1 a year.

i'm not dismissing or minimizing your complaint but, on paper, it's not happening.

help us to help you?

i'd also tell you the same thing i'd tell anybody. if you think people are rude, the best way to begin addressing that is to stop being rude yourself.

be the change you wish to see.

i'll give some other thoughts when i'm home i am traveling across the world today )

happy thanksgiving.

alasdair

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

@DeathIndustrial88 @helpingout @Quasimoto - I hope you continue to participate here and help keep bluelight alive and contributed to by your thoughts and ideas.

Thanks @tryptakid ! It's questionable if I'll stay. Tired of the constant harassment & then subsequent gaslighting by people here. I'm here to learn, correct misinformation & help others. I've had numerous people come to me for help with withdrawal or getting on Suboxone & I never left any of them hanging. But according to people like defiZIT, I do nothing but whine & bring nothing positive or supportive, while people like Foreigner make condescending & transphobic comments. That's all these people have is projection, delusions, lying, gaslighting & harassment & it makes me not even want to come on here.

When my notifications are nothing but reply after reply from the same person harassing me, it makes me say fuck it. And then to have people like deficit get on here & gaslight me is just UN-fucking-believable.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

as i've said, report problematic posts and we'll take a look.

you've been a bluelighter 5 years and have reported 3 posts - less than 1 a year.

i'm not dismissing or minimizing your complaint but, on paper, it's not happening.

help us to help you?

i'd also tell you the same thing i'd tell anybody. if you think people are rude, the best way to begin addressing that is to stop being rude yourself.

be the change you wish to see.

i'll give some other thoughts when im home i am traveling across the world today )

happy thanksgiving.

alasdair

Yeah this feels condescending as fuck too.

You must not have read anything I said at all. I am never rude to anybody until they start it. And then ya'll sit there & say shit like "be the change you want to see". Uhh no how about ya'll stop being assholes to people & then expecting them to be nice to you back? Pretty damn simple. Or if you have nothing nice to say, don't say it at all! Find me ONE post of mine where I just start randomly attacking some one for no reason? I'll wait.

Maybe I've only reported 3 posts in a year because reporting doesn't do jack shit, obviously?? Not to mention staffers often go back & remove their own problematic posts, so how can I report that?

There you go, I reported it!

It's in this thread - https://www.bluelight.org/community...o-refuse-illegal-orders.950359/#post-16350473
From FOREIGNER -

But not surprising that republicans are ignorant hypocrites. They spent the last 10 years calling all LGBTQ folks pedophiles & then turned around and elected one into the Whitehouse.

Foreigner - "No, just the TQ+... the LGB was not part of that. Virtually all of the controversies of the past 10 years have been TQ+ related."

So me talking about how right wingers call LGBTQ people pedophiles is me being "rude"? Candace Owens literally had an episode where she said all gay men are pedophiles, so what foreigner said is actually demonstrably false. I like how they worded as "all the controversies" for plausible deniability. When really what they're saying is they think trans & queer people deserve/bring about being called pedophiles, as if that some how justifies it. I have every right to be rude when some one feels the need to butt into everything I say to try & be condescending. They could just.... not talk to me at all? Why keep following me around & replying to everything I say if it's just to be condescending? They did this just a couple weeks before this reply too. Yeah let's blame trans & queer folks for the hateful actions of others. How "supportive" and "positive". Respect is earned, not given out to bigots. Sorry I don't take calling people PEDOPHILES lightly, alasdair. Maybe you do, but I don't.

Yup. Fuck this site. Take this gaslighting bullshit elsewhere. I'm out. Just had to spend all this time defending myself from complete & utter bullshit. You people literally live in bullshit land no matter the facts,. Some one feel free to delete my account. I've asked for it to be deleted the last time I reported some one harassing me. I really don't give a fuck. Every single one of you have done nothing but try to turn shit back around on me some how every single time. "Oh no, maybe you're the one who's rude for being tired of people's bullshit". You think I wanna log in here to get constant notifications (that I don't ask for) from people like Foreigner, "kindly" letting me know trans & queer people are bad? Wtf. Or notifications from people telling me I'm giving out false information, only to ask them what the real information is & have them repeat back to me what I literally said to begin with?!?!?! It's fucking crazy!! Clearly some of ya'll have no fuckin' lives outside of bluelight.

Not a single thing I've done for this site has ever been acknowledge by most of you staffers. Just bullshit gaslighting & telling me that I'm the problem.

FUBAR, deficit, Elektrum, numerous other people whose names are slipping my mind (cause it ain't like they're important) & now Foreigner have all gone on harassment campaigns toward me & filled my notifications up with condescending replies & attacks & then alasdair sits there & is like "be the change you want to see". HAHAHAHAHAHAH.... Yeah, it's called never harassing people or being a dick to people in the first place!!!! If some one's filling my notifications up with their bullshit & I can't even ignore or mute them, how is that MY fault? I suggest we be able to ignore/mute staffers & get met with this garbage. I think that's a reasonable request to thwart unwanted contact by people with ill-intentions. What gaslight-ey BS.

See ya!

Much love to the folks who I enjoyed talking to & seeing! Thank you for years of educating me, helping me, which in return has allowed me to help others. Which I have! Ya'll might as well leave too, cause without me here, they'll have to find some one new to target & it could be YOU. If anyone wants to stay in touch, hit me up & maybe we can exchange emails, but idk when I'll be back to check this hellhole. I never have time to come here to learn or help anyone anymore because every few months I'm constantly having to defend myself from gaslighters & delusional people. It's exhausting, distracting & annoying. And frankly ain't even worth it anymore. Not why I joined in the first place. So for my own well-being, I'm done. Ya'll can have your transphobic staffers & users with superiority complexes, but it serves me no purpose in my life journey. Peace.