Stacker 2 and Creatine

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I've been taking creatine for about 2 months now and i started taking stackers about a week ago along with it (for SPRING BREAK)
Last night i had a horrible case of insomnia that kept me up all night tossing and turning. It wasn't just the caffeine in the stacker keeping me up because i took it at 7 pm. and it was more of like a very crazed insomnia. does anyone know of anything like this happening .
any info would help

 

[HYDRO_CHRONIC]

well it wasnt the creatine if thats what your askin,read the caution of the "stacker 2" im sure somwhere on it it will say that it can cause anxiety ..and possibly sleep distubances..but i dunno

 

[PhreeX]

Um, I am inclined to believe that it was soley the effects of the ECA stack.. you said you took it at 7pm? Sorry, unless you had just woke up thats going to keep you amped well past bed time.. I am willing to bet if you stopped iwth the combo you would rest easy...
Question - is it working? I mean, I understand that a 4-real-lethal-killuh is going to need to look supa-fly for the biddies and trick ass ho's you be trying to spit yo game upon - but does taking these overpriced caps of crushed asprin, mini-thins, and caffiene really do anytihng for your apperance?

 

[starlightgemini]

i used to take stacker 2s to help me out when coming down from meth. why?--i dunno...b/c i believed they were helping. but yeah--stackers are annoying as fuck. and honestly--if you take 'em in the evening--your ass will be up. i used to get really bad muscle cramps when i took them too. basically--they annoyed me so much i stopped takin 'em
*** starlight ***

 

[day_for_night]

i am curious as to why you are taking a stack while taking creatine. creatine helps you retain water, and the stacker helps you loose it -caffine is a diuretic (sp). yes, the stacker also helps you loose fat (or so it's supposed to), but why not taking something like chromium which will help you loose weight/get cut, and is *good* for you at the same time.
also, try using the chromium first to lean up, then take the creatine to bulk up...

 

[liquiddelight]

I wanna gain some extra muscle and I was thinking of taking creatine. What's the best way to use it? Also, some more info on chromium would be appreciated.

 

[travis2600]

Actually, most evidence indicates that taking more chromium than the RDA (such as a chromium supplement) does not help you lose fat or anything. Also, there is a little evidence that suggests chromuim policotinate (sp?), specifically, can cause damage to your DNA; i.e., slightly increased risk of cancer.

 

[SovietContin]

Every scientific piece I've ever read about Stackers indicates they do absolutely nothing for weightloss.
If you can buy something at GNC or a gas station for that matter, it's most likely bullshit. GNC has a few exceptions.. but all of their herbal stuff and magic 5-htp and melatonin bullshit is over-priced nonsense that doesn't do anything and is sold to people that don't want to work to get whatever results they're looking for. They just throw their money away on pills that do nothing hoping for the best.

 

[Blue Lava]

day_for_night
Okay, I don't use stackers, but I use Ripped Fuel (ephadrine/caffine mix mostly). I take Ripped Fuel and Creatine before leaving work, and I work out as soon as I get home. The reason I take the Ripped Fuel isn't to get ripped. Yah, right... whatever. I just take it to perk up a bit after a long day's work so that I can work out with more intensity. That's all I use it for. And... modestly at that. Don't want your fucking heart to blow, or nothing.

 

[ratamahatta]

liquiddelight - if ur gonna take it, dont overdo it, creatine can be cunty to ya...
if u do overdo it, u can bugger up your muscles, like, burn em out, and thats just defeating the purpose of taking the creatine.
probably to get the best effects from the creatine, you'd want to get a workout plan and stick to it, progressively increase your training sessions, and just use the creatine as a helping hand in building muscle, for isolation reps. etc.
also i'm learning all this shit in yr12 at a public school, so it's probably got more holes than swiss cheese, or its totally irrelevant, anyway, why not just do it the hard way? that'd be my first choice
so yeah, use it wisely... or something...

 

[day_for_night]

travis, you are going to have to post some articles or links to articles with some evidence about chromium. everything i have read shows chromium picolinate to be very good for you, helping with glucose management in your body.
the only type of chromium that i know of that alters dna is hexavalent chromium. the other natural forms - elemental and chromium 3, are very good for you.
Blue Lava: i wouldn't even use ripped fuel modestly. use something like thermogen, which is caffine, guarna and some other stuff. more and more evidence is mounting about ephedrine and serious heart problems (even with occasional use) beccause one of it's many nice side effects is that it enlarges your heart valves. they just made it illegal here in canada, after a number of people died using it.

 

[Blue Lava]

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Actually, the ingredients are all herbal. No straight up, synthesized chemicals. Ma Huang (major ingriedient) is listed as being equvalient to 25mg of ephedrine. Gurana is also listed as being equvilent to 25mg of caffine. I assume that what these equvalent ratios they list mean is that somewhere in these herbs composition are these stimulant chemicals that they liken them to. In which case I guess I still shouldn't be using them. I'll check into that thermogen. Thanks for da tips.

 

[day_for_night]

oh no, if the ripped fuel you have only has ma huang and guarna you are safe as can be. i am almost positive there used to be ephedrine in ripped fuel - they must have changed that.

 

[Emeril]

In response to some false information-
Ma Huang - the herb that contains ephedra
Guarana - the herb that contains caffeine
You'll see those in Stacker2, Xenadrine, Hydroxycut, and all those other thermogenics.

 

[at_i_tude]

you all have good answers but first if you want to increase muscle as you say(and without juice) focus more on your diet,train hard,it will come.creatine is ok i guess but as he said...you'll hold some water and once you stop taking it you drop the water weight.you want to rip for summer...go high protein,low carb(not zero carb either), a little cardio.you'll get there.the stacker will keep yo ass up if your taking them close to bed time,i take my last ECA 30 min before i lift at 3;30 then i go to bed around 10;00.....just my .02

 

[PhreeX]

Train? Excersize? Work out? HUH? Man, welcome to Other Drugs, that is TOTALLY the wrong idea.. sorry, we ain't down with that garbage.. we want to tkae drugs to build our bodies.. I want to be able to build my muscles while laying in bed eating Krispy Kream donughts, I want the calves of an olympic athlete while sitting in the recliner watching videos.. see, DRUGS make this possible.. lacking muscles? Simple, take steroids and in a few weeks you will be totally ripped.. weak like a baby girl? Take some ECA stack and you will get the same reasult as if you had worked out for 5 hours!
Well, that might not be 100% accurate but it's close enough.. one of my many mottos - "if you have to physically work out, it's not worth it!"

 

[day_for_night]

my bad, yes guarna has ephedra...