Stimulants Sporadical usage of methamphetamine.

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

My experience with amp/methamp says otherwise, is what ill say.
I know this
injecting about .8g in 24 hours didnt make me psychotic
batshit insane yes
but more like
YEAHDOMOREMETHYEAHYEAHYEAH
OBSESSIVECOMPULSIVEBEHAVIORSLISTENTOTHESAMESHITFORHOURS

 

[Trying2Iso]

some individuals are more susceptible than others.
What my friend demonstrated was that it was the meth that he smoked causing his hallucinations, and his psychosis never returned after that, (namely because he quit smoking meth).
Obviously if everyone who smoked meth saw little people spying on them in trees, meth wouldn't be as popular as it is.
but it is a phenomenon that occurs, and is documented.

 

[MrHH]

that's actually not true, i have a friend who smoked some meth and only hours later fired his shotgun THROUGH his window, didn't even bother to open it first. when cops arrived at the scene, he claimed little people were spying on him in trees in his yard.
He had no psychiatric history, and was sent to the dual diagnosis unit of a psychiatric hospital after getting his arraignment, and placed on meds. He quit taking his meds the day he got out, and it's been 2 years and he's never had another incident like that. So ya, i'm guessing it was stimulant psychosis...

This seems to be like a common psychosis, it could be happening with standard sulphate amphetamine, psychedelics or even dissociatives (this last one I think that got the most occurrences in persons that are likely to suffer from psychological issues)

I think it's not an experience that's so common or widely happening no ? Also smoking I guess it's one of the most 'straight' ROAs.

 

[MrHH]

some individuals are more susceptible than others.
What my friend demonstrated was that it was the meth that he smoked causing his hallucinations, and his psychosis never returned after that, (namely because he quit smoking meth).
Obviously if everyone who smoked meth saw little people spying on them in trees, meth wouldn't be as popular as it is.
but it is a phenomenon that occurs, and is documented.

I agree on some individuals being more susceptible than others.... An example might be, radical combos like LSD and speed. I saw tons of psychosis due to that, but I did it when I was younger (years ago) and never experienced a problem.

 

[Trying2Iso]

This seems to be like a common psychosis, it could be happening with standard sulphate amphetamine, psychedelics or even dissociatives (this last one I think that got the most occurrences in persons that are likely to suffer from psychological issues)

I think it's not an experience that's so common or widely happening no ? Also smoking I guess it's one of the most 'straight' ROAs.

please elaborate on the difference between "common psychosis" caused by meth, and "stimulant psychosis" caused by meth, i'm intrigued...

 

[MrHH]

Overall... It seems like the dangerous factor on methamphetamine is definitively dose-dependent and also session-frequency-dependent, no ?

If I stick to my original intentions and patterns of administration, I should not have any significative damage rather than the common of using a stimulant, no ? :_)

I really wanted to know this because I've tried things like MDPV and I hate it. Even in two dosages, it gave me a big feeling of neurotoxicity and cardiotoxicity... And also the craving... I am almost sure MDPV wins Methamphetamine about the craving? what do you think?

I would endlessly appreciate input from our master moderators so they can drop some light about this since again, here where I live, methamphetamine is a very stigmatized substance (even LSD is).

 

[MrHH]

please elaborate on the difference between "common psychosis" caused by meth, and "stimulant psychosis" caused by meth, i'm intrigued...

I was more referring that it can happen with any substance, regardless of its nature. I think all drug-induced psychosis share a lot of characteristics.

I also definitively think that factors like the individual characteristics (psychological, physical, genetics,...) , set/setting, doses, quality are way more important factors than the substance itself...

 

[Trying2Iso]

I was more referring that it can happen with any substance, regardless of its nature. I think all drug-induced psychosis share a lot of characteristics.

I also definitively think that factors like the individual, set/setting, doses, quality are way more important factors than the substance itself.

Stimulant psychosis is psychosis caused by extremely high amounts of dopamine in the brain, similar to schizophrenia.
and the substance definitely matters, if my friend had smoked a bowl of weed instead of a bowl of meth, i doubt he would have shot at imaginary little people in trees.

 

[MrHH]

Stimulant psychosis is psychosis caused by extremely high amounts of dopamine in the brain, similar to schizophrenia.
and the substance definitely matters, if my friend had smoked a bowl of weed instead of a bowl of meth, i doubt he would have shot at imaginary little people in trees.

I know that dopaminergic psychosis is different, anyway. I just wanted to say that there are a vast number of factors involved, therefore, I think it's not fair to say that what happened to your friend it could happen easily to everybody with the same material/substance/dose/ROA, since mental problems can also arise with some individuals using other substances.

I feel we are going a bit out of this thread's main approach anyway, my intention was not to create a flame .

Sometimes I feel hard to explain what I really want to explain, specially friday nights with wine P Don't take me bad !

 

[Trying2Iso]

I know that dopaminergic psychosis is different, anyway. I just wanted to say that there are a vast number of factors involved, therefore, I think it's not fair to say that what happened to your friend it could happen easily to everybody with the same substance, since mental problems can also arise with some individuals using other substances.

I feel we are going a bit out of this thread's main approach anyway, my intention was not to create a flame .

No i think this is a good discussion on the dangers of methamphetamine use.
What i'm saying is there is no way to tell how you will react to Meth until you try it. My friend, as a said earlier, had no psychiatric history prior to his meth use. and upon cessation of meth use, never experienced psychosis again.
And the key factor and trigger of this incident was smoking methamphetamine.

 

[MrHH]

No i think this is a good discussion on the dangers of methamphetamine use.
What i'm saying is there is no way to tell how you will react to Meth until you try it. My friend, as a said earlier, had no psychiatric history prior to his meth use. and upon cessation of meth use, never experienced psychosis again.
And the key factor and trigger of this incident was smoking methamphetamine.

Ok... I understand now, I appreciate your input.

If it was all about an excess of dopamine, I suppose all re-uptake inhibitors will trigger the same mechanism in some point of the experience with other stimulants or substances? Does he continue using stims other than Meth?

 

[Trying2Iso]

Ok... I understand now, I appreciate your input.

If it was all about an excess of dopamine, I suppose all re-uptake inhibitors will trigger the same mechanism in some point of the experience with other stimulants or substances? Does he continue using stims other than Meth?

he had to get sober because he was put on Bond and then probation following the incident with the shotgun blast. So random drug testing. Then he got a gf who isn't cool with anything but alcohol so last i heard all he does is drink occasionally.

 

[SixBuckets]

Stimulant psychosis is psychosis caused by extremely high amounts of dopamine in the brain, similar to schizophrenia.
and the substance definitely matters, if my friend had smoked a bowl of weed instead of a bowl of meth, i doubt he would have shot at imaginary little people in trees.

You can totally get drug induced psychosis from smoking weed. I'd say more people have drug induced psychosis from weed than from amphetamines, simply because such a higher number of people imbibe weed.

 

[MikeeyGuy]

Based on Erowid's dosage information/guide: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth_dose.shtml
You could roughly say that, depending on purity, 40 - 150mg of oral methamphetamine induces very strong effects. To take into account tolerance, for me personally I would not exceed 100mg oral (based on personal tolerance, etc.) in one recreational session to reduce neurotic damage. Too bad there aren't many studies on relatively safe levels of dose for meth, as they prefer to study its neurotoxic / negative effects. Preferred method is smoking for several reasons: shorter comedown, smoother ride and novelty. I would say oral meth is the safest method as you aren't doing a number on your lungs as well, however the drug metabolizes differently and I find the comedowns harsher, longer while producing a longer lasting high vs. smoking. As for substances like MDMA, oral use is more potent, roll is longer and better and requires less mg than smoking it. Meth seems to be such a powerful drug, and probably due to the chemicals used to synthesize crystal, smoking provides a strong and satisfying high. A good quality MDMA rock can produce as many hits as meth, yet even after 30 - 40 hits, the effects feel so mild compared to dropping an equivalent 100mg capsule.

 

[AA357]

I posted a thread about my meth use last year:
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/737675-Methamphetamine-really-not-such-a-bad-drug

I bought 0.5g 99% pure North Korean d-meth and I was using it every Saturday morning in doses of 20-30mg orally (which is within therapeutic dosing range) until it ran out about 3 months later.

Don't let anybody tell you otherwise: methamphetamine can be used responsibly. It all depends on your personality. I myself don't find stimulants to be recreational. I won't lie... 20-30mg oral meth does feel pretty damn good, but it's not a high I would want to chase. I much prefer psychedelics and sedatives.

Basically I got this stuff because I didn't like ephedrine or amphetamine. Methamphetamine releases serotonin so it feels a lot smoother and happier than regular amphetamine.

Only problem I noticed with this stuff is the tolerance. I have never experienced anything like it before with any other drug. Ephedrine and amphetamine I was able to use twice - sometimes even three times per week without any signs of tolerance.

With meth I had worked up a bit of a tolerance after about 2 months of 1x per week usage. When I took my last dose (30mg) I remember it felt about half as strong as it did when I first tried it. Realistically I think I would have to keep my usage to 2x per month MAXIMUM to avoid developing a tolerance.

I haven't had any in about 4 months but I don't think I'll be buying it again... it's great stuff but the tolerance build-up is just ridiculous.

My advice to you would be:
- Don't take it every week.
- Stick to therapeutic doses.
- If you start to develop a tolerance, back off. DO NOT start taking more to achieve the desired effect or you'll fuck up.
- Stay hydrated and eat healthy.
- Take the following supplements: magnesium, vitamin C, creatine, ALCAR and ALA.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

AA357-Yes it's true that there are some people who can and do use meth recreationally once or a few times; but very few people can do this.

I've never fucked with meth since I know way too many people who did wind up getting addicted, and this includes people who thought they could use it a few times a month on weekends, and the next thing they knew they were addicted and in treatment since they couldn't quit or stop using on their own. Be careful MrHH.

 

[AA357]

AA357-Yes it's true that there are some people who can and do use meth recreationally once or a few times; but very few people can do this.

I wasn't using it 'recreationally'. I was using it for its cognitive and athletic performance enhancing qualities. A recreational oral dose would be way higher than 20-30mg. Do a google search for Desoxyn. Methamphetamine is actually prescribed to a lot of people for legitimate reasons.
I liked it because it didn't raise my pulse or blood pressure as much as ephedrine or amphetamine, and instead of irritable/jittery I actually felt quite calm.

As I said before though, a lot of it depends on personality. I myself don't see recreational value in stimulants, then again a lot of people don't see recreational value in Valium (which I fucking love).
I'd say if you're depressed, you are more likely to become dependent on stimulants and if you're of a highly-strung nature, you are more likely to become dependent on sedative drugs.

 

[SixBuckets]

You seem to be a bit stuck on this distinction between 'recreational' use and what you're doing. I'm not going to interrogate that, as it's really your business why you're using a substance. But just FYI, PIED (performance and image enhancing drug) users are still considered to be 'recreational' users, whether they're using steroids, diverted pharmaceuticals, or anything else.

 

[STLcardinals2]

im an iv meth addict. my tolerance is absolutely out of this world at this point. when i first started, 2 units of water and would draw back 3 units (10 units of product) would send me sky high. now i have to usually go 40 units of water and pull back 70-80 total (30-40 units of product) to even feel anything. tried to slow down and get tolerance down, but most ill ever make it is 4 days. that 4-5 days are a real bitch. im convinced to even slightly curb my tolerance id have to wait at least 2 weeks. itll never happen. thats my 2 cents

 

[AA357]

But just FYI, PIED (performance and image enhancing drug) users are still considered to be 'recreational' users, whether they're using steroids, diverted pharmaceuticals, or anything else.

Sorry but that's the most retarded thing I've read this year. So you're telling me all those pre-workout powders out there that contain caffeine or other stimulants are actually recreational drugs, right? Where do you draw the line?
FYI most PEDs have about as much recreational value as aspirin. This is what's known as "off-label" usage... at worst it could be seen as misuse or even abuse, but there's nothing recreational about it.