i see.
being objective and as realistic about your experiences is the point im going at as well. as ive said in the thread - to have such an experience on a substance, leaves to question how it occurred, and how much thought is to be given towards the realization.
i agree with you that a spiritual experience or realization isnt necessarily all euphoric and lovely, at all. very similar to 'mixed states' or psychosis. i do indeed have a line i draw myself(a strict one i feel). for me, to consider others opinions is very important, every outside perspective has their own line, and sometimes its the same as mine; there is always something to be learned through hearing others opinions.
to understand and learn from others of the psyche, spirit, various physics and nature is important, and builds strength in your personal stance, for sure. but to depend on a means like amphetamines or psychedelics is not necessary, and being dependent on them as ones means of spiritual exploration, is denying what our minds are capable of.
so i agree with you, as i said "or do you mean; as attempted(i'll add) to be measured by a second-party?"
-emphasis on attempted.
what is bi-polar?
it is one of the least under-stood psychiatric conditions as well as one the most commonly diagnosed. often severe cases have 'delusions of grandeur' and receive 'messages and instructions' or 'gifts and insights'. though if they were, wouldnt there be some proof, an actual tangible relation?
in the past, present or future as claimed?
i also have to consider this label is a quick way to discredit anything someone says or may claim.
idk, i will say i did have one instance, during several days of DMT use that ways acceptable to me. this was by in no means my first experience.
-i saw salmon swimming in a river, a river that began emptying, the salmon flopping around, and dying.
i then heard a booming voice tell me to watch the salmon for they will warn of our ends-
i think this is true... after so many years.
but it seems much the same as dream interpretation, making sense of these meanings of such sub-conscience(?) out-bursts.
i do walk this line, through this ring of fire.
and it aint cool by any-means.