SPEEDBALL?????

[Bry Guy]

yo, tomorrow night me and a few buddies are going to take some OXYCONTIN and some good ole COCAINE for cheapish kinda SPEEDBALL..i have never taken COCA, but am experienced with OXY...i have noticed when i take EPHEDRINE and OXY, i feel fucking GREAT, so i can only imagine how COCA/OXY feels..
is there anything i should know before going off on a SPEEDBALL adventure??i know its bad for the heart and such, but anything else i should know???any other hidden dangers in this??
also, what exactly is the mechanism in STIMULANTS that makes OPIATES feel so much more POTENT??or is it just some kind of "best of both worlds" kinda thing happening??

 

[SovietContin]

Painkillers are more my alley, but I'm a sucker for coke.
On two occassions I had taken 20mgs of oxycodone and then later in the night been offered cocaine while still strongly feeling the effects of the oxy.
You definantly get the speedball effect, but I didn't particularly like it either time. The cocaine both times was exceptionally good quality and I thought it took away from the coke high.
I've also snorted cocaine and heroin mixed together. Pretty different from oxy and coke. It's very intense and an interesting experience. The drugs seem to fight each other. You'll feel an intensified cocaine high for a while, then you'll start nodding off and hallucinating really hard and it'll keep going back and forth.
You asked about hidden dangers and how it's bad for the heart... hmm.. let's see uh.. River Phoenix, John Belusi... etc. etc. It's an easy way to more or less blow your heart up. The reason speedballs are so potent is because you're telling your central nervous system to speed up and slow down at the same time. It puts your system AND your heart on a complete overload. If you're doing it, you either don't know better or you really don't care about your body.
Anyways, if you do decide to do it, I would suggest not going overboard on the oxy like eating an Oxy 80 or something. Below 30mgs would be quite sufficient to get the desired results.
I really don't feel like reading anymore stories about how OxyContin is a dangerous drug and has killed yet more people.
[This message has been edited by SovietContin (edited 28 July 2001).]

 

[Bry Guy]

no i only plan on taking about 20-30 mgs of OXY..i get a very nice high off of that alone..i just wanted to combine some COCA with it, to see how good a SPEEDBALL really is..
yes, i do care about my body, and really dont plan on taking many more SPEEDBALLS anytime soon..i just want to se what the fuss is about..
i never knew that PHOENIX died from a SPEEDBALL..i had heard that he had COCA,GHB,VALIUM,CODEINE, and HEROIn present in his body at time of death, but i never knew it was specifically from the SPEEDBALL...also, i thought BELUSHI died from the HEROIN OVERDOSE..that was his first time taking it i believe and he had the CHICK keep on shooting it up and he passed out and died..i didnt think he died from a SPEEDBALL...
is it really that AWFULLy hard on your heart??i am a healthy guy overall, and i really dont want to have any probs..maybe i wont try it..

 

[Bry Guy]

yeah, i was just gonna drink some OC's(about 30 mg), and then do a line of COKE...not a reg SPEEDBALL, but i figure it will do the trick..i stay away from HEROIN, only cuz OC's are much more easily available..

 

[PhreeX]

Let's call this a "kindergarden speedball" ...
Yes, it will feel very good .. I recomen you get meth, as coke doesn't seem to really give that great an effect, it's also so short lived.. either way, do the upper first, then as soon as you are rushing hard, do the oxy..
And please stop typing RANDOM WORDS IN ALL CAPS (a personal favor if you will)..
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[Kitchen_table]

I was just gonna drink some OC's(about 30 mg), and then do a line of COKE...not a reg SPEEDBALL, but i figure it will do the trick

NOt a rgular speedball at all and it ont do the trick. You'll probably get a nice high out of it but it's no speedball.

 

[-Thoth]

Isn't the speedballing opiate/amphetamine combo a favorite of dead hollywood actors? Uppers and downers can cause problems, be careful.

 

[Kitchen_table]

A true speedball is an IV slam of Cocaine and Heroin in the same rig. You can find suitable subsitutes of the 2 drugs used to make a speedball and still acheive nice results. You need a CNS stimulant(Amphets work nicely) and a Respiratory sytem depressant opiates work nicely). All Speedballs have one comman denominator: A speedball is IV admin only. You cant snort or smoke yor way to a speedball.

 

[AbraMontague]

They also have another common denominator, OPIATES. Barbiturates and benzos completely antagonize the effects of coke and amphetamines with the proper dose. At rxlist.com, IV diazepam is listed as the specific antidote to cocaine poisoning. (Hard to believe they have a monogram on cocaine, isn't it?)

 

[Quirks]

I think IV valium is generally used to treat stimulant overdoses.
My sister is in vet college, she was saying a student accidently gave a horse an anesthetic dose of ketamine in the cartoid artery while trying to hit the jugular. The horse started seizuring and the professor treated it with IV valium.

 

[AbraMontague]

I remember reading a study at biopsychiatry.org (i think). Apparently the interaction between cocaine and heroin is a pharmacodynamic one (like ethanol + cocaine = cocaethylene). In the study, IV cocaine increased dopamine release in the nucleus accumbens (the pleasure circuit of the brain, I believe) by 400%. IV heroin negligibly increased dopamine release in the NA. IV cocaine + heroin increased dopamine release in the NA by a whopping 1000%. Draw your own conclusions.
I found the link to the study. http://biopsychiatry.com/speedball.html
Everyone should read it.
[This message has been edited by AbraMontague (edited 30 July 2001).]
[This message has been edited by AbraMontague (edited 30 July 2001).]