Speedball Questions

[ml2792]

Hey Everyone! SWIM is interested in trying a speedball but wanted to first see if its worth the risk. SWIM is 19 years old, 5'11'', 160 pounds, with a moderate tolerance to stimulants and zero tolerance to opiates (SWIM did percs a couple times but is guessing that will have no influence on their tolerance.) SWIM really wants to try a speed ball but doesn't want to OD from heroin. Considering their their low tolerance and the issue of purity with street drugs is it worth the risk? SWIM lives in NJ (which apparently has really pure H). Is it better to just use oxycontin instead of H, and would their be any difference in terms of the high. Also, what doses would one recommend for a first time experience?

SWIM wants to make sure he does this the right way for their first time because that first time is the best, but at the same time SWIM doesn't want to end up dead. Thanks!

Also, in all honesty, is it possible to do a speedball and not become hopelessly addicted???

 

[amapola]

Please edit your post to remove SWIM and use proper pronouns.

OD>>>BDD

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Welcome to Bluelight!

We don't allow the use of "SWIM" here, we know its you and it makes it really hard to read your posts and causes lots of people to ignore them...

I don't recommend doing a speedball (or combining heroin with anything else at this point) because you have no tolerance to opiates and, from what I can tell, very little experience with opiates in general. Heroin is very powerful and because its an illegal drug, is of questionable purity. One day you get bad heroin and have to take more, the next day you take the same amount of and its good heroin and you're dead.

Just because New Jersey "apparently has pure H" doesn't mean anything. Like I said before, there is a pretty big variablity.

If you are dead set on doing a speedball, you should try out the stimulants in question and see if heroin is indeed for you. I'm not recommending that you use heroin at all, actually. I would try out other less powerful opiates beforehand and make sure its something you really want to do. Don't dive right into heroin right away either, I would really hate for that to happen.

I don't want to sound like a prick but speedballs are very very addictive just by their nature, a stimulant and an opiate equals more addictive than either drug by itself.

 

[pete+carl]

from what iv read on here and other places online id seriously advise against doing a speedball as it can make both drugs more powerful and places greater strain on the heart.

as a previous poster said start of light and if you enjoy the effect and dont suffer any side effects then advance a small step but illegal drugs contain unknown quantitys so you can never guarantee on the dosage so if in doubt always go low and redose if required

 

[Lillady1985]

So many people die doing speedballs. It's so stupid. And why do something so powerful and dangerous especially with little opiate tolerance?? Seems like dumb people would resort to speedballing when bored with opiates alone. I would advise against this unless you don't care what happens to your life?

 

[fryingsquirrel]

Taking a dose of opiates appropriate to your tolerance to help with a stimulant comedown is one thing. Shooting heroin and coke together when you have no opiate tolerance is quite another. I can't in the spirit of harm reuction recomend shooting heroin, but if you decide to at least get a feel for it by itself before doing a speedball.

 

[Zenethylamine]

More or less like what everyone else posted so far, a speedball really isn't the sort of thing that people should be doing without preparing their body before hand. Percocet isn't a joke by any means, but it's not really on the same level as heroin. Additionally, the impurity of street H is a big issue.

You say you have a moderate tolerance to stimulants; have you ever injected cocaine before? The experience differs pretty significantly from snorting it.

Speedballs are a very ambitious drug-use project. It could present pretty great danger if the person isn't experienced beforehand. If you're not prepared to see how you react to IV cocaine and heroin individually before you try combining them, I wouldn't recommend it. I would guess that most deaths from hard drug use result from either A. purity-related accidents or B. being excessively ambitious.

 

[NJDOKE]

you havent ever done heroin why would you want to speedball right off the bat. Me thinks one would at least try heroin by itself before mixing coke and heroin.

 

[dollheart]

I saw this and just had to weigh in. I mean its pretty much the same as everyone else says, like doing them separately first but coming from someone who has been a heroin addict since 17, i got into those type of things looking for the ambitious, most dangerous, crazy stuff i could find- if i did coke one day, a couple days later it was old news and wanted something more than that..which led me to heroin and i am still, 8 years later, struggling for my life to get off. this is a path you hopefully dont take! i hate preaching and i am not usually one to do it, hope i don't come off that way, because i can't lie and say it doesnt feel great- but that's exactly WHERE the problem lies to begin with- feeling great. its not something hardly anyone can just up and walk away from, so if its not too late, hopefully it doesnt come to that. it's bad enough to do H and get hooked but to pull your body (most of all your heart) into two totally different directions is just kind of asking for it, and doubly so without having experience/knowledge on the subject, nor any tolerance. Do you even know HOW to? That's a whole other issue in and of itself.

 

[treesmin]

I saw this and just had to weigh in. I mean its pretty much the same as everyone else says, like doing them separately first but coming from someone who has been a heroin addict since 17, i got into those type of things looking for the ambitious, most dangerous, crazy stuff i could find- if i did coke one day, a couple days later it was old news and wanted something more than that..which led me to heroin and i am still, 8 years later, struggling for my life to get off. this is a path you hopefully dont take! i hate preaching and i am not usually one to do it, hope i don't come off that way, because i can't lie and say it doesnt feel great- but that's exactly WHERE the problem lies to begin with- feeling great. its not something hardly anyone can just up and walk away from, so if its not too late, hopefully it doesnt come to that. it's bad enough to do H and get hooked but to pull your body (most of all your heart) into two totally different directions is just kind of asking for it, and doubly so without having experience/knowledge on the subject, nor any tolerance. Do you even know HOW to? That's a whole other issue in and of itself.

this guy hit the nail right on the fuckin head man