Heroin Speedball (Heroin + Coke) During MMT. (Would REALLY like a FAST answer please!!!)

[Benzopiates]

Hey guys, it's been a while since I posted here...

My life had been spiraling down in the last 2 months, Financially, mentally, physically I was really not well... but since July 16th I've been accepted in MMT in Montreal. (Methadone Management Treatment)

I am now taking 50mg Methadone per day (in 10ML of liquid, orange juice)

I haven't taken any drugs exept the methadone since July 16th. (Almost 2 weeks if not it already)

And I've just received an extra <no$> that was unexpected... Now I'm thinking to go try just a little one time try to do Heroin+Coke (Speedball) but I was wondering, first since I'm on methadone what is the dosage for me that would be safe (I don't really know heroin in terms of milligram, I just know a small (little bag) and a big (bigger baggie) they cost <no$> and <no$> respectively. a "Small" is what some people call a flap and a big is what some people call a Point. So I'm wondering what dosage I should do if I want to do speedball (And feel it... so strong enough to overdo the methadone, but not as strong as to overdose from too much substance causing respiratory depression, but I think coke counter-acts this no?)

Anyway I'm really lost here... I'll just tell you the facts... Used to be on 30mg Dilaudid per day I.V. Then got into Methadone maintenance for 40mg per day for 1 week and they increased it to 50mg per day since last wednesday. I took my dose this morning at 9AM and it is 17:45 (If I would go to buy the hero+coke and back it would be around 7PM until I would take it, so what would be the best dosage to actually get a feeling but not overdo it?

Can you guys help I really wouldn't want to OD and I wouldn't want to spend <no$> and feel nothing either.

Fast answer would extremely be appreciated

Oh and what would be the "OK" ratio of "coke vs Hero" in speedball for ppl who know or do this normally, one guy said to buy a <no$> of heroin and a <no$>of coke... and mix half of the coke with all of the heroin, and shoot that. What are your suggestions?

 

[Swimmingdancer]

We don't do prices on here, and you should really learn how many grams or milligrams you are getting. Even if you did know though, street heroin is so variable in purity that we have no idea how strong the stuff you are getting is and what would be a safe dose. If the bigger baggie is also called a "point" a "point" generally refers to 0.1 grams ("point one") - that would be 100mg. And a "flap" can be anywhere from 10mg to 100mg, usually around 25mg. But I am not certain about that in your case because here in BC the prices you mentioned would be for a point and a quarter gram, so if it is in fact a flap and a point then you are paying 4 times the price as in BC. I don't know if the mods will remove my reference to prices, that's ok if they do, I just figured it was in the interest of HR to point this out since I don't want you assuming that the large baggie is definitely only 100mg and overdosing.

We also aren't here to help you get high, just to help you use any drugs you are already planning to do more safely.

All you can really do is start with a very small test shot. That is absolutely required whenever it has been a long time since you have used. But I can tell you when I was on 50mg of methadone 25mg of heroin would do nothing for me. But I have no idea what the purity of your heroin is so please be safe. I would really just avoid it all together.

If you are not used to using coke frequently I would NOT start with that much coke. Coke usually comes in bigger quantities than heroin and so I would not just use a standard flap of coke and a standard flap of heroin. Because you have an opioid tolerance the coke will probably overpower the heroin, and injecting coke is super intense and dangerous. Definitely do a tiny tester before deciding how much coke to inject. Back in my speedball days I would use way less coke than heroin.

 

[tricomb]

Come on man you got on MMT to turn your life around...

If you decide to get C&H anyways let us know what you get so we can help you use it safely..

 

[Benzopiates]

Ok and what if I decide to get Dilaudid instead... since with dilo I know the exact quantity and the pills are 100% untouched, they come directly from the pharmacy, 8mg pills... do you think it would be ok to do 1 full 8mg dilo pill IV or not enough to feel it or too much?

 

[tricomb]

I would definitely recommend choosing dilaudid over heroin so you'd know what's in it and how much.

You should start with 2-4mg hydromorphone, not 8mg right away if you ask me.

 

[Znegative]

I agree, stick with the dilaudid if that's what you know, and start off low. I might consider plugging the dilaudid though before you IV the coke (again, if you must do this), as IV dilaudid is pretty much all rush and no legs (the same as IV cocaine-but the cocaine will almost certainly overpower the dilaudid). If you plug the dilaudid you'll get a better experience, as rather than suffering the intense crash of IV cocaine, you'll slide into a nice opioid high instead.

That being said, I don't recomend this. dilaudid is a powerful opioid. Definately start of low with both drugs. Clearly you don't want to waste them, but I think it's more important that you live through the experience.

 

[waldo777]

Off topic, but can you explain what an all rush / no legs opiate is like? I've only done oxy and heroin (plus a bunch of others but not really relevant) and never had dilaudid or fentanyl.

I understand what is meant wen u say IV dilaudid has no legs, but I can't see how a powerful opiate wouldn't get you nodding if you get a rush? Is it that you get the warm opiate euphoria but its gone in an hour, or is the high really so different after the initial iv rush wears off?

Just wondering b/c the crash from IV coke is there in 5 mins and done w/ in an hour, will dilaudid really not last at least that ong?

 

[pbuilder]

I think all rush and no legs means you won't be get much of a nice warm opiate high after the initial rush, as Iving will cause the drug to immediately all enter your blood stream at once, and since Dillys have a short half life, it will quickly be metabolized out and you won't be nodding an hour or two later like you might be with opiates that have longer half life's, so you are still high for a few hours even when iv'd.

 

[tricomb]

He's on methadone anyways, so I'm thinking that the high is going to be diminished regardless.

I don't know what he's looking for, whether it's a rush or a high, both will be impacted due to the methadone.

 

[PillPoppinAnimal1]

I have alot of experience with, Hero, methadone, and coke.. how long have you been on methadone? and why are you on it? are you on methadone because you were addicted to other opiates? I can answer your question alot better if you fill me in on that info..