Speed & Alcohol - HR Techniques

[mdmatt]

I feel the best information in this thread was the idea that you need to eat.

Food is the bodies energy, and fluid it's lifeblood.

Have a good meal, full of vegies, a good source of iron and low gi energy, like a steak/tofu. A couple of hours before going out. As you want to have most of it digested if you want to try to stomach and ingest your party goodies. But if your taking it other ways, i.e up the nose, in the arm, or up the rear. No problem. Then when your out, make sure you keep hydrated. Avoid redbulls etc, as these just dihydrate you via the caffein. Orange juice is great, as you can get this in most clubs, Gatorade is great, as it has electrolights, and I don't see enough people on stims dancing like a fein drink this life blood. Ensure you piss enough (great advice).

It's a bad combination on the heart, so you need to ensure that after you come down, you need to eat something. Fruit is pretty easy to down. Up and Go's are easy to stomach and thye have like a weatbix in there. Also green tea is great, the anti-oxidants will help you flush out all those toxins.

If your having trouble sleep off the stims, don't fight it in bed, get up, watch a movie you like, play a video game, clean the house, until you feel tired, then try again. Don't make your bed a place of annoyance.

But sleep is needed, not all of us are as wise as psilo, and calm down after midnight, but you need rest.

After you wake, have a good breakfast and get outside of the house, go for a walk, get some sun...

goodluck guys, play safe.

^^ Some really good avice there

 

[puckboy]

Feeling any better now?

That sounds like a hell combo haha %)

Feeling much better now, though the next day was rough, but by the 2nd of Jan was feeling alot better. It was an absolute blast while I was 'up', had a great time, but as soon as the amphets starting wearing off and the LSD was still in me my head was catapulted into a paranoid/insane mess, much worse then the usual comedown I would have got off that much speed.

I'd put that down to wrong amounts of all 3 drugs or a bad mind set and setting.

The mind fuck was probably due to being over stimmed on LSD or just stronger LSD than your used to taking in such a combination.

LSD alone, can give all the effects you have stated

LSD and stimulants have taken down many trippers over the years

I don't recommend that combo to anyone.

Sometimes you can get away with it, other times it'll nip you in the but, have you lost for words and hating every minute of it.

Remember, over stimmed or pissed and LSD (or any other strong hallucinogen) can lead to bad times very quickly.

That said, please keep this thread on topic. PM me if you wish to speak further on this subject

I had a small dose of LSD (half tab) and have tripped many times before on larger amounts and been fine (eaten upto 3 strong tabs with no issues). Had done the LSD + speed combo several times before with success even with higher doses of LSD, one time with MDMA thrown into the mix too. I was a fool and overestimated what I could handle A damn fool.

This time kicked my arse really badly, and I think it was the speed. Had quite a bit more then usual, even though my tolerance is higher now. Also had a few puffs off a joint during the night which may have played a part.

Your dead right about the set and setting, I was at an event which had music I wasn't particularly into and was just there because all my friends were going. I ended up back at a friends house and I didn't say a word for hours and hours, so paranoid and anxious, I thought everyone was talking about me and insulting me (they weren't).

I think I would have been ok if I didn't take either the speed or the acid, just one of the two. I think the alcohol had little impact on the night/morning. And I think this was the first time the speed wore off while I was still tripping. Crashing off amps + tripping was a literal hell, it was like a normal comedown but with that delusional/extra paranoid twist that LSD can cause. Perhaps I'd have been ok if I had some valium with me, but my benzos were at home and I wasn't capable of driving until the sun came up.

Thanks for caring and replying guys the whole thing really messed with my mind and made me question alot of things and be unsure of myself, my friends, people in general, the world etc etc. I learned the hard way, but atleast I've learnt alot about being careful combining stimulants and psychedelics.

Sorry to go off topic and for the long post, needed to let it out.

On topic: Like has already been said in the thread when drinking on speed, make sure you've eaten plenty beforehand and drink lots of water intermittently throughout the experience between alcoholic beverages. And remember even though you don't feel the alcohol as much, it's still in your system and having an effect on you, even though you probably won't notice it.

 

[Dave82]

I always drink when I'm on speed, it's a great (yet unhealthy) combination.

Although, I don't think ever in my life have I experienced a comedown off speed + alcohol + LSD like I did after this NYE, it was absolutely horrible. I've done this combo a few times, but this NYE mindfucked me hard. Be careful, I couldn't even speak to friends I'd known for years, it absolutely fucked me in terms of paranoia/anxiety then eventually depression.

Be careful.

Curious why you would take this combo? I've only done LSD one time (at a rave) and it was a very stimulating experience. I definitely didn't need the assistance of speed to make me want to dance. With poly drug use you are increasing the risks of something going wrong, so take it easy next time buddy.

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

You have to respect the crap out of all drugs, especially psychs

The consequences of not doing so, aren't much fun

 

[puckboy]

Curious why you would take this combo? I've only done LSD one time (at a rave) and it was a very stimulating experience. I definitely didn't need the assistance of speed to make me want to dance. With poly drug use you are increasing the risks of something going wrong, so take it easy next time buddy.

I did the combo because if you dose appropriately and time it right it's extremely euphoric and alot of fun in the right atmosphere. Alot of people hate the combo, some love it. Depends what you like.

Also LSD on its own, while stimulating and euphoric doesn't quite get me in the party-mood like speed does, LSD at a music festival with mass crowds would also do my head in a bit (which is where I was on NYE), but the speed makes me confident and sociable. I'm a quiet person normally, so whenever I just take acid in a party atmosphere I'm just in my own head dancing, thinking, watching things going on around me etc but not really being sociable/talkative as I can get a little socially anxious at large events (besides doofs). And as it was NYE I wanted to be talkative and able to chat to lots of people. I don't do the combo often, and a few friends were doing the same combo and as I'd only had good experiences with it previously I thought "why not?.. it's NYE".

It all depends how you react to speed, and for me it goes nicely with a small dose of acid. I'd never mix the two if I was doing a large dose of acid.

The problem I had this time was the overuse of the speed and running out while I was still tripping (never underestimate small doses of acid when mixed with other stimulants in large amounts - I only learnt that 3 days ago ).

I have plenty of experience with LSD but this time I did it all wrong which is why it ended so badly, though I was having an absolutely great time before the speed turned on me. Hence why I said it's important to time it right and dose appropriately, and I fucked both of those things up. Live and learn.

I will definitely be taking it easy next time, thanks for the concern , while it ended badly I learnt alot from it. And you know, I probably one day will do the combination again, because it really can be great, I just messed up with the doses, timing and setting, all vitally important.

Enough of my off-topic thoughts lol, this thread is about speed and booze.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^is it meth or the d-amp you usually take with the LSD? i don't think i've ever seen you type either, only speed (from reading the DC thread)

 

[puckboy]

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Oh yeah, I really should have cleared that up. This night it was d-amphetamine, used about 170mg over about 10 - 12 hours. I always just say 'speed' when referring to amphetamines. Probably because they feel pretty much the same to me as I just snort meth when I get it, never smoked or IVd it. Only main difference being the length of the high and length of the comedown and a more euphoric onset (~20 mins) IME. Thats 'whip/whiz' though, I've only used crystal a couple times but never combined it with LSD, though that feels much more euphoric then 'whip' or d-amp from memory (haven't used it in ages).

I've done the combo with both though, and surprisingly the 1 time I used meth (whip) with LSD the whole thing was alot less sketchy, and I put that down to meth lasting longer so it's much easier to stay 'up' and not comedown while still tripping, used the meth orally that time.

The few other times I've done the combo have been d-amp though but never in doses more then ~50mg.

The after effects of what happened to me on NYE were much worse then any other time I've done the combo, even one time when I used around 40mg d-amp, a decent tab of acid and a medium-strong clean ecstasy tab. I mixed 1.5 points of some decent meth/whip with shrooms once which turned out fine also. This is why I put it down to the stupid amount of d-amp I did.

Interestingly enough 2 friends that were also at the festival had a whole tab of acid and 2 points of meth/whip (snorted) and pulled up much better then I did and didn't crash nearly as bad. D-Amp crashes seem much worse then meth for some reason IME. But the reason I think they ended up alot better off was that they didn't use their meth until 5-6pm, whereas I'd been popping the D/5s (dexamphetamine) since lunchtime and continued to do so every couple hours until around 1am.

Way off-topic, and sounds like I'm dicksizing... but I'm just letting this out because NYE was really bad when the amps left me but the LSD was still going, wouldn't want others to go through that shit.

 

[Jakeperson]

A day long meth binge has a nicer come down than 50mg dex amp IME.

 

[static_mind]

Do many people get come downs from only one day of Meth/D-Amp? Iv only ever been tired after.

 

[moderateuser]

The greatest danger with this combo is increased strain on the heart, liver and kidneys. Many thousands of Australians use this combo on a weekly basis and probably don't know the damage they are doing...

Rather than the usual getting tired, giving up and going home to sleep at the end of a booze-up, I've seen a few people on speed keep drinking untill they got alcohol poisoning and were hospitalised. The speed certainly doesn't reverse the effects of alcohol, it inhibits the ability to recognise when you have had enough.

Having been a sober observer of this combination on numerous occassions I feel the need to state that as well as putting a fair bit of physical strain on the body the "sobering effects" of the speed are greatly over-rated. The drowsiness of the alcohol might be somewhat aleviated but actual coordination, perception and ability to make reasonable judgments remain .. um ..how shall we put it?.. quite fucked.

 

[puckboy]

^
Very true. Last year at a friends 20th b-day everyone got really drunk and got on a bus that took us to the city where we went clubbing, I also had about a half gram of meth/whip during the evening. I thought I was fine and not too boozed up because of the sobering effects of the meth.

I ordered a shot of tequila or something at the bar, went to pick it up, knocked it over, spilling it all over the bar. $10 down the drain. I ordered another shot and did the exact same thing again! knocked it over because of my retarded depth perception from the alcohol, even though I felt coordinated and sober from the meth. Wasted ~$20, but eventually got my drink, 3rd time lucky

Just a random speed+booze story of mine.

 

[Jabberwocky]

1 tequila, 2 tequila, 3 tequila...floor:D

 

[puckboy]

^
Haha :D

 

[halogenic]

lol i can imagine

 

[Verybuffed]

I ordered a shot of tequila or something at the bar, went to pick it up, knocked it over, spilling it all over the bar. $10 down the drain. I ordered another shot and did the exact same thing again! knocked it over because of my retarded depth perception from the alcohol, even though I felt coordinated and sober from the meth. Wasted ~$20, but eventually got my drink, 3rd time lucky

I can't believe they kept serving you!

 

[Crankinit]

I can't believe they kept serving you!

Well if he's buying 3 drinks for every one he actually consumes, I don't blame them

 

[puckboy]

^
Hah, yeah, I don't think they actually realized I had knocked them over. The girl came and served me, then in my stupified state knocked it over while she would be serving someone else, was a pretty big bar with lots of people ordering drinks and was pretty dark, loud music etc. So they wouldn't have noticed until someone came and rested their arms down on the bar or something once I'd left my spot, they would have thought I was drinking them.

Looking back I'd be pretty pissed off at me if I worked there. I was younger, stupid and fucked up, what are you gonna do? I like to back up statements about mixing certain drugs with stories, eg; 'your more drunk then you realise when tweaking'.