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Speak Your Mind on the OD Rules

Flexistentialist said:
Are you saying that discussion of a topic equals promoting it? This is exactly the same argument used by conservatives against harm reduction / sex education. It is also open to exactly the same rebuttal: just because you ban discussion on it, doesn't mean people won't do it.

There are valid ways to significantly reduce the harm for people who are injecting ("abusing") their opiate treatment. A 0.2 micron wheel filter correctly used will remove basically all dangerous particles from a subutex mix. Is it now against the guidelines to explain how someone would use one to filter their subutex? How is that harm reduction?

It seems to me that the current crop of OD mods have an undeveloped understanding of both the ethics and mechanics of harm reduction.
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Once again, semantics. Its way too late to get into it, but you're manipulating my words.

The whole point of this thread, if you read any of it, especially the first post, is to talk about how we realize OD has strayed from its original purpose, and we are now going to make sure we stay focused on our main objective: harm reduction.
 
Flexistentialist said:
It seems to me that the current crop of OD mods have an undeveloped understanding of both the ethics and mechanics of harm reduction.
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If you hate it so much here then feel free to leave and find a better site.....oh wait....there IS no better site.;)
The fact that the OD mods started this thread proves they understand and advocate harm reduction, by taking the necessary steps to ensure that OD, and more importantly, bluelight itself, promotes harm reduction over anything else.
I didn't read this whole thread through, but I seriously doubt the OD mods said we cant still have a little fun while still maintaining a level of professionalism people have come to expect from Bluelight.

Bluelight isn't a democracy, and the staff here dosen't have to start threads like this asking how we feel about recent changes, you should be thankful your input is asked for at all :\
 
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It could very easily be argued that banning discussion on injecting subutex / suboxone / methadone is counter harm reduction.

And I said "undeveloped" not absent.
 
am i going crazy here?
no one is anti discussion of shooting subs. even though i thinking its a stupid fucking git move i dont give two shits if YOu personally want to go off shooting up subs willy nilly. nothing can stop you anyway, right. the focus here is on making sure you get correct information, not faulty. as someone earlier said, the difference between mg and mcg could be the difference betwen life and death, so why not do what you can to educate the public at large?
 
^Who the hell are you even responding to? Cause I can never tell. 8(
Niandra LaDes said:
i dont give two shits if YOu personally want to go off shooting up subs willy nilly
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And I suppose your going to claim you advocate harm reduction too? 8)
Niandra LaDes said:
as someone earlier said, the difference between mg and mcg could be the difference betwen life and death
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Very true, however, I see 2 flaws in your logic. For one thing, a single milligram is 1000 micrograms, and it seems highly unlikely that even if someone made that mistake that they'd just 1000x extra doses lying around.
And two, "microgram" has 2 different abbreviations, "mcg" and "ug". I always type "ug" for the very reason you stated. Perhaps we should all do this from now on.
 
We're not completely banning discussions on injecting Suboxone. If someone would like to start a discussion on the dangers of it, why it shouldn't be done, or safe alternatives to it that's fine.

Flexistentialist said:
It seems to me that the current crop of OD mods have an undeveloped understanding of both the ethics and mechanics of harm reduction.
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Perhaps we should spend some time studying the OD Archives to learn about Harm Reduction from the previous crop of OD Mods.
 
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Hey guys and gals, I already posted my thoughts about these new, or should I say verified rules. Although I just wanted to say that since this thread has been made I really feel as though there has been a huge difference of posts and attitudes that take place in this section of bluelight (Don't visit any others).

So keep up the good work, and I think I am speaking for everyone when I say this, I just want to thank the MODS for not only doing their job, but doing what they personally want and care about.

THANKS VERY MUCH!
 
GenericMind said:
If someone would like to start a discussion on the dangers of it, why it shouldn't be done, or safe alternatives to it that's fine.
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So you can talk about the harms of injecting subutex, just not ways of reducing them. Like I've already said, you guys are getting very confused about the ethics and mechanics of harm reduction.
 
^ Everyone already knows the only ways to "reduce" the harm of injecting suboxone or subutex. Use micron filters. What else is there? Since that is the only thing you can do, there is no reason to discuss it further.

Now drop it,.
 
Flexistentialist said:
So you can talk about the harms of injecting subutex, just not ways of reducing them. Like I've already said, you guys are getting very confused about the ethics and mechanics of harm reduction.
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Needless to say I disagree with you.
 
sixpartseven - Um, is this thread about feedback? You seem to get upset whenever anyone disagrees with you, and just want to conversation to stop ASAP. Maybe you need to work on that.
 
Flexistentialist said:
sixpartseven - Um, is this thread about feedback? You seem to get upset whenever anyone disagrees with you, and just want to conversation to stop ASAP. Maybe you need to work on that.
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Im not upset. You just keep spouting off the exact same thing that has already been addressed by 3 different mods.

We hear you. We disagree with you. Thats the end of it. Move on.
 
^ And you still don't get how your position is contrary to harm reduction. Thanks for demonstrating my point: you guys (mods) really don't get harm reduction at all.
 
Im sorry you feel that way. Youre more than welcome to stay out of OD if you dont like it. It wont bother me.
 
I think the rules are fine and the focus on harm reduction. I guess there will always be debate regarding the discussion of information relating to inherrently unsafe practices such as femoral and jugular injection. Just to weigh in, I think that providing some information is still better than providing no information at all. Adopting an attitude of "we just don't discuss that because it is inherrently unsafe" seems almost as enlightened as "just say no to drugs".

On another note, I think that encouraging users to use the search engine is a great idea, but some of the mega-threads and guides, specifically those dealing with injecting cocaine and written by Smoke Trails in 2005 are incomplete and inaccurate (at least from my perspective). If you are going to promote the use of FAQs and mega-threads, someone should fact check the origial post.

By way of example: Regarding soluent for injecting "Water (id recommend bottled water... but tap does work fine...)";
Regarding shooting: "when u get it all in release your tie... "

From a harm reduction standpoint I think its fairly easy to say that sterile water or saline is better than tap water, and releasing your tie before you push off is a good idea if you don't want to kill yourself. I know there are differences of opinion on the best practices and techniques, but some of the stuff out there in the guides is reckless and dangerous.

Peace.

FC
 
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Fight Club said:
I think the rules are fine and the focus on harm reduction. I guess there will always be debate regarding the discussion of information relating to inherrently unsafe practices such as femoral and jugular injection. Just to weigh in, I think that providing some information is still better than providing no information at all. Adopting an attitude of "we just don't discuss that because it is inherrently unsafe" seems almost as enlightened as "just say no to drugs".
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I appreciate what youre saying, but you and flexistintialist are reading it wrong. We dont mean to say "not discussion at all" but what we are saying is the harm reduction aspect of it has already been discussed (concering shooting suboxone/subutex.) THe info is out there. If you are going to shoot those or any other pills, always use micron filters to be as safe as possible

What else is there to discuss? What other ways are there to minimize the harm from ti? There are none. That is not our fault, thats just the facts/
 
I suppose thats where somebody like you could help. I don't know anything about IV coke, and I don't know if any of the other mods have enough experience (or any) to conclusively say anything about it.
I know you know a lot about this subject, so you could write an start a thread, or even better write an FAQ on it (someone would be willing to work on it with you) that would be prominently posted in the OD Directory. This is where we call on others to fill in any gaps we might have in HR. I know we're good on everything regarding opiates, we all have plenty of experience. Coke however, not enough to write an FAQ as well as you could.
Are you willing to contribute? I would be very grateful, as the rest of the OD team would be, and also anybody who is thinking about shooting coke, or currently doing so in an unsafe manner.
Consider this, please.

Fight Club said:
I think the rules are fine and the focus on harm reduction. I guess there will always be debate regarding the discussion of information relating to inherrently unsafe practices such as femoral and jugular injection. Just to weigh in, I think that providing some information is still better than providing no information at all. Adopting an attitude of "we just don't discuss that because it is inherrently unsafe" seems almost as enlightened as "just say no to drugs".

On another note, I think that encouraging users to use the search engine is a great idea, but some of the mega-threads and guides, specifically those dealing with injecting cocaine and written by Smoke Trails in 2005 are incomplete and inaccurate (at least from my perspective). If you are going to promote the use of FAQs and mega-threads, someone should fact check the origial post.

By way of example: Regarding soluent for injecting "Water (id recommend bottled water... but tap does work fine...)";
Regarding shooting: "when u get it all in release your tie... "

From a harm reduction standpoint I think its fairly easy to say that sterile water or saline is better than tap water, and releasing your tie before you push off is a good idea if you don't want to kill yourself. I know there are differences of opinion on the best practices and techniques, but some of the stuff out there in the guides is reckless and dangerous.

Peace.

FC
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