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Something to think about :)

Star Beats-

I know that did have an element of generalisation in it
However, if you actually did a demographical break down of the people who go to raves, I think you will find a large number of people from the western and south western suburbs of Sydney. don't get me wrong, I dont have a blanket problem with these people, but they have grown up in an environment that is surrounded by toughness, power, and trying to be as cool & as hard as you can.
 
Every so often I will have a dilemma with the rave scene. On the one hand, I fell in love with it because of it's individuality (within a certain context, anyway) and the colour. My first rave, Every Picture Tells a Story just blew me away with all the differnt outfits, colours, creativity etc. It was also my first full pill, but I honestly don't remember that being the focus - it was the diversity of people and outfits which I loved and remember to this day.

I have had periods where the whole phat pants thing has really shat me. We all try to be different but have to wear phatties. There have been a couple of instances where I haven't worn phatties and have been treated very differently, like I shouldn't really be there. That pissed me off. I too, however, have been guilty of doing the same thing though :\

The way that I resolve the whole creativity and indivuality / conformity issue is by making my own phatties. It gives me great enjoyment making them, and is a hell of a lot cheaper :) Even making kandy helps with this. Getting psyched up for Pharmacy for two months, making Kandy was the only way of properly being an outlet for that (and anyone who saw me at Pharmacy wil admit that I did go a *tad* overboard with the Kandy :)).

Ultimately, I love the weird people at raves. Without the different people it would be quite boring. Events should be different to everyday life - wearing jeans or everyday wear would be really boring to me, lacking in excitement.

I agree with the whole drug-pig thing though. Getting completely wasted, for the sake of gettng completely wasted, is stupid, and brings down the scene for everyone. When you're at an event and you see three ambulances leave, you kinda think "that's pretty fucked". There's no point for it.

Btw, Lucas:
i hear her mum has got it going on
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ROFLMAO!!! Nice
 
Sure it might be that we are all unique, but i think alot of people want to be original which isnt easy, that is much harder. But I think its fine to judge people. But how do you judge them? Are these people ok to you or not? and why are you judging them.
How strong are your own foundations? I know with some people it boosts their confidence to judge people and put them in their place, makes the judger feel better.
In the end though were all trying to find a meaning in/for life and some of us never do.
But I ask why judge people though. Just let them be.
Sure they may be going out on a limb in your eyes with all the kandi gear etc but thats you perception.
Simply put though, its easier to not judge people at all. And i dont mean easier just not to worry about this subject.
Example, i remember one day everything sucked nothing went the way i wanted. it started where i left the house after an argument with my old man. that got me in a shitty mood, whatever i found to have a go at/judge, i would because i could and around lunchtime after doing this for so long i was real shitty. i realised what id done. id allowed someone else to effect me in a way i didnt want to be. So the very next day i purposefly looked past bad things people said/did. note: I didnt push them down inside me i just brusehd them off and i wouldnt worry about it. Like i said earlier judging is fine do it all u want, (but understand why people are the way they are) but why? for what purpose it doesnt make you feel good in the long run.
 
^^^Well said!
it's all about respect for one another.
And really, at the end of the day , what does one person's opinion of another actually count for?
 
people go to raves and laugh at you cause you all look like spastics.
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What's your point? Frankly, it's a pleasure to be a constant source of amusement to others ;)

I think the internal contradictions and individual hypocrasies have been pretty well covered in this thread already, but:

To look at me, you'd say I was a kandy kid and you might well file me under "weird". I have the ridiculous phatties (with EL wire sewn through them, no less). I have waaay too many kandy accessories, a huge paperclip and a little tennis visor too.

I freely acknowledge that I look silly.

But I wear it 'cause I *like* it. I happen to like looking like this, and phatties are fun to dance in. Not because some other person will accept me or think I'm a freak.

I take pills at maybe one party in three. So much for "look at me, I'm on drugs".

And so much for elitism. The number of "normal"-looking kids I've given my own kandy to because they were looking at it like they wanted some, I couldn't tell you. I dress up as RaverClaus at certain warehouse parties in Melbourne and run amok giving people random presents of bracelets and lollies and bubble mix. I'll sit and chat with anyone who holds still long enough. I'm not content with just live-and-let-live; I want y'all to feel welcome at this party (even if it's not mine) and to love the whole thing as much as I do.

Kids these days are so mature. It's a shame if they have to get to my age (I'm 28 and feeling it) before they can act like kids... hope I help with that, sometimes.

PLUR, baby :p
 
Originally posted by stacyrox
Its not the kandy kids that piss me off, its the jaded elitist snobs which get to me.
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I hope you're not calling me jaded and elitist, I was putting my point of view across and although I used the word weird, I exlplained why I had said that, theres no reason to assume I'm jaded and/or elitist. :)


Originally posted by Squares@Circles
mate you've put it all in your post...its obvious.

let me break it down fer ya: "..I don't judge people, unless they look beyond what I now consider normal, which is what this guy was, so he's a freak, but oh yeah I am too, so I have love in my heart for him and everyone...but P.S. he's still a freak"

fantastic...Kant would be proud. You've really nutted out the Universal truth there. everyone is fucked, except me..
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You have totally misquoted me, did you even read my post, this is what I ACTUALLY said:

We all would like to think that we don't judge people, we'd all like to think that we lived up to the golden rule: do unto others as you would have others do unto you (and don't do to others what you don't want others to do to you. Kant expressed this in his categorical imperative, basically saying that you should only do things if you think it should be a rule for how every else should act. I tend to think that I follow in this deontological path as far as ethics and how I act, but I must admit I have failed, I do judge people, even if it is subconsciously.

Regarding utopia (after that tangent), I found myself along with my friends judging people who were "weird".
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You see if you actually read my post you would see that I was admitting that I judged people, at no point did I say "I don't judge people" I have no idea how you turned my statement around and quoted me as saying the opposite. Next time you might want to read what I say before you call me a hypocrite, and that sarcastic comment about Kant being proud was so misguided I don't know how you even came up with it. You should have a go at reading Kant, you might actually learn something. :)
 
lost_boi said:
Sure it might be that we are all unique, but i think alot of people want to be original which isnt easy, that is much harder.
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As long as you are actually talking about being original and don't just mean not the norm.

Etards are not the norm but they aren't being original as they all look the same.
Punks are not the norm but they aren't being original as they all look the same.
Goths are not the norm but they aren't being original as they all look the same.
Surfies are not the norm but they aren't being original as they all look the same.
Westies are not the norm but they aren't being original as they all look the same.

Any and all of these people are going to lengths *not* to be unique or original and just to fit in to a group they feel they are more suited to.

rasberrywatergirl:
Would you still brush your hair or worry about wearing the same outfit for a week at a time if other peoples opinion of you didn't matter?
 
Being judged is a harsh part of the reality of living.
You can give into it and just accept you will be judged no matter what [like I have], or you can try to assimilate and ultimately be judged for even that.

Beleive me I know about being judged - - - hey, I post in PINK ~gasp~ and I wear pink sparkly phatties. 8o

But I wear them cos' I love them - - - and that in itself gives me strength against the narrow minded majority who pidgeon hole me as something I really am not. :p
 
SupaDiscoBreaka said:
As long as you are actually talking about being original and don't just mean not the norm.

Etards are not the norm but they aren't being original as they all look the same.
Punks are not the norm but they aren't being original as they all look the same.
Goths are not the norm but they aren't being original as they all look the same.
Surfies are not the norm but they aren't being original as they all look the same.
Westies are not the norm but they aren't being original as they all look the same.
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You described everything that isnt the norm except that what the norm itself is. if we categorise everything the way you just have.
Then there could be no such thing as a norm, theyre just groups we attach ourselves too. And with those groups come labels.
If what you have said is true, im trying to remember the last time i met a normal person.
 
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that's his point my friend...there IS no 'normal'...everyone on this beauftiful Earth believes they are special (they are) and unique (they are) and original (they are)..but trying to find a category for all those individuals is actually impossible, because of their individuality...clothes mean nothing, fashion is so cursory as to be a joke...inside, we ARE all individual... that is a human truth and the basis upon which we don't all fucking slaughter each other all the time... we believe in the sanctity of life because each person IS unique..

you are having a VERY philosophical day ain't ya?.... =D
 
goatyoghurt, no I was not referring directly to you... or directly to anyone else. It was a blanket statement, not intended to point any fingers. Just clearing that up. :)

I find the idea of "judging" someone rather interesting.. being that basically to "judge" someone is to form an opinion of them based on the information that you have recieved. There is no statement of whether that is positive or negative. We all judge people, thats just how things are. When we meet someone we instantly judge them, deciding whether we feel we want to continue our association with them or not. Ofcourse sometimes this may be an unfair judgement based on a stereotype, a bad experience (ever met someone with the same name as someone you really used to hate?), or just really bad timing. I dont believe anyone who claims "I dont judge people..", because of course you do. You might try not to judge someone unfairly, but we all do at times.

stace.
 
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