Stimulants Some sort of a comedown 30 minutes after the effects have started

[weed-meen]

Hi all,

wanted to ask what the reason for the unpleasant come down might be?

And just to be clear, now i'm doing it solely to self-medicate ADHD and not get high off my ass..

The way it happens for for the past couple of times is that like 30 minutes after the effects have come up and I feel awesome it kinda all suddenly seems "bad and evil" and useless... and from that point I don't experience the euphoria anymore or at least anywhere near the levels i did at the first 30 minutes.

This is the second time now this has happened, (last time I did amph was last year and the effects were the same)

First half hour is great, and then it just kinda seems pointless, i mean i get that depressive kind of feeling.

P.s am not suffering from a depression or anything, am self-diagnosed ADHD (but i'm haha more than 99% sure I have it) am 20 yrs old male, and since last year when i previously last tried amph i've improved my overall health a lot by exercising, changing my diet in a very positive way and am also taking supplements 5-htp, sam-e, fish oil.. but the "kinda useless depressive not worth it feeling" is still here now as i'm writing this.

Ohh and another thing, the doses are small, but seeing how I buy from the streets I obviously don't know the purity but now i tried 1/8th of a half a gram orally (if the common understanding is correct that street amph has around 15% purity if good means i've taken roughly

10 mg of amphetamine, and for the first 30 mins of effects the euphoria was pretty profound and awesome, but now it subsided yet again and am feeling like i shouldn't of done the amph. And seeing how i want to use it for legit purposes of managing adhd I just don't wanna be feeling "worse" than baseline when taking amph... and i shouldn't also have any kind of allergy or what not towards it cause i've done amph it the past, like 15 times in my life in total, but all those times before were purely recreational, and sometimes up to a gram of "supposed amphetamine" was snorted, so maybe now i'm just feeling what it is to take a low dose of amph and the previous euphoric feelnigs i've felt before when i snorted recreationally were due to the mega high dose and this "kinda useless making feeling" is a normal part of a small amph dose.


I just wanna know how i could maybe change this and if it's normal.

 

[DistyBoi]

Stop using completely for a bit (week or so) then try again.

 

[weed-meen]

Hi Bro,

the thing is, I just now took amphetamine for the first in almost 2 years, so it's definitely not any kind of tolerance or anything associated with what waiting for a week could bring...

Although now that another hour has passed I kinda noticed the euphoria came back but then after about ten minutes again went away, it kinda changes so it would seem, like i'd say 4 times in an hour.

It kinda feels as if my dopamine is depleted and then after a few minutes get somehow restored again.. haha i know it's a very noob way of putting it but that's the best i can do.. :D

But just want to clarify these aren't the usual waves of euphoria, i know how it felt in the past... it was snort - feel mega good - after a while if you don't redose it kinda fades away (the euphoria I mean) but

now i go from euphoria to disappointed back to euphoria again, kinda mood swingy....

 

[ykm420]

It's seriously all about how pure it is, man.. I've done terrible m.amph (maybe shake in bake, I have no idea, was the first time I bought it, but, was glass shards) it really wasn't that good. 1-30 min after dosing I was raping in halo, after that, I started just feeling up, no euphoria, nothing. I've never gotten amazing meth, but, I've gotten good stuff. Smoking it produced the best effects IMO, way better that snorting. Gave a small rush. I prefer Dextroamphetamine over Methamphetamine any day. This is just my opinion though, I love zooming off 100+mg IR Adderall and playing games.
Edit: Also, I did notice too that meth gave off waves of being high. Odd.

 

[weed-meen]

Thanks for the info! Was helpful...

 

[sekio]

Don't use street meth to self-medicate, it's impossible to tell purity.
The comedowns are likely from you not taking care of your body, or from you taking too much meth - are you eating, sleeping, and getting physical activity?

 

[weed-meen]

Hi sekio,

First of all, I was said this is amphetamine not methamph (I hope that part was true as up until now I've only tried amphetamine and haha the media coverage on meth has put a deep impression in my subc about it being terrible rofl, a, it's a sort of cliche by now... :D
And you are right that it's impossible to tell the purity in the street stuff...

But this is either cut with something to make it stronger or it's "relatively pure" as yesterday I took 1/8th of a half a gram orally, on a full stomach in the morning and after 30 minutes moderate euphoria kicked in (as usual ofc, but now that I read more, could this be meth as normal amph isn't that associated with euphoria on low doses)




And by the way, it's the second day that I'm using it now, took just as much as yesterday and this time on an empty stomach in hope to potentiate it a bit, but this time no euphoria... so took another similarly sized dosage (so in total twice what I took yesterday when I felt the surges of euphoria) but today I don't get any euphoria at all, and I've ingested twice the dosage of yesterday ON AN empty stomach... weird...

I can definitely feel it though, it's just doesn't have the waves of euphoria like yesterday, nor does it have the "useless feeling" .... although this is the same batch of amph i took yesterday, hmm... this is weird... could i have developed tolerance already?

Or maybe the "supposed amph" is unevenly laced with various shit, and the part that I took yesterday may of contained meth or some RC stimulant that produces euphoria?

additional question: has it been observed at all that street amph has BOTH meth and normal amph mixed in it together? As this amph is sticky (the guy said he kept the amph in his back pocket for too long thus making it sticky from the heat) but i can tell it def has glucose mixed in by the taste of it.

 

[Ayrios]

Regular amphetamine (10-30 mg) always makes me feel like garbage within an hour, so this sounds like a pretty normal experience for my body chemistry. I don't find it recreational or productive. Methamphetamine is another story where I only get a comedown if I do ridiculous amounts or redose for too long...

 

[weed-meen]

Ohh, thanks...

This certainly makes me feel more at ease (and yeah i'd characterise the feeling as feeling like garbage, same way you put it) But unlike you it does produce productive effects when it comes to getting things done and managing adhd...

but there is no surprise in that regard as amphs are meant to do that anyway...

 

[Wesley_pipes_27]

Many drugs have a "plateau effect" whereas after the initial high, things begin to even out. This varies greatly from person to person and drug to drug. Also as people have stated before me, the purity, and therefor potency has a drastic effect on this type of thing. If you really are concerned about having ADHD, you should see a Dr. and get prescribed medication (Adderall, Ritalin, ect.) that has been produced in a pharmaceutical laboratory to a known degree of purity. Just a thought.

WP

 

[coojibug]

Regular amphetamine (10-30 mg) always makes me feel like garbage within an hour, so this sounds like a pretty normal experience for my body chemistry. I don't find it recreational or productive. Methamphetamine is another story where I only get a comedown if I do ridiculous amounts or redose for too long...

Yeah, same here. If I am not on opiates or benzos before I take stimulants I feel like a black hole after about an hour. Anxiety is listed as a side effect to many stims as well.

 

[weed-meen]

Well yeah, I'll try to see a Dr. but they are pretty damn strict here about prescribing adhd medication and on top of that they have almost no experience with adhd patients ... and only thing we have here to even have prescribed is Ritalin or Concerta, both Methylphenidate's ... no amphetamines forms available whatsoever... Sad ...

 

[simmerman]

WOW geez

 

[pupilated_dials]

weed-meen...your first post sounds a lot like myself. im a 20yr old male, cleaning up my body by eating better, more raw foods, less meat, exercising moderately and using amphets. most importantly, my experiences have gone from great to not so great. my euphoria doesnt stay around longer than an hour anymore AND i feel shitty for using it in the first place...that "kinda useless not worth it depressive feeling". one difference is that i recreationally use adderall of a specific amount (30 XRs, but prefer IR) ....so for my answer: stop using the amp. for some reason, youre feeling bad about it. whether youre letting yourself down, or thinking of what someone you really care about would think of you using the drug.. idk bro, but give it a thought.

 

[Jakeperson]

There is a cutting agent that has been used here (Australia) in the crystal meth that at first has feelings similar to meth so it adds to the high but then almost completely stops the effects of amphetamines. Which means you have to re-dose, works out great for supplies.

Have a read here. It might take going through a few pages though

 

[Lopez]

if you get euphoria from an adhd med then you most likely don't have adhd lol. but yeah, it's a result of depleted dopamine, i used to get the same feeling, even if i took a higher dose of adderall (went up to 75mg XR) i'd get a GOOD euphoria for about 30 minutes followed by a "buzz" that lasted for 12 hours...

take a break from the meds, and meanwhile take vitamin supplements. i also recommend levodopa and tyramine (to restore your natural supply of neurotransmitters).

 

[simmerman]

The 2 best supplements while your taking the meds and while your off of them for a while to lower tolerance at the same time naturally restore the dopamine level's in your brain. You would want l-tyrosine. available at GNC or the Vitamin shoppe only. And A big must is Magnesium. You want the Chelated form since its the only form that has an obsorbtion rate of over 85 percent. its it is proven that low magnesium levels can cause alot of health problems. and this medicine lowers your levels. So the Chelated Mag caps. Are only available at the vitamine shoppe GnC does not carry them. So both of these supplemts help with the crash effects while your on the meds. helps restore the chemicals and the withdrawal effects while your not taking them and at the same time lowers your tolerance and they are all natural and proven most effective. trust me. Also you want a NDMA antagonist for tolerance and the best would would be dxm. get the 12 hour deslym available at any pharmacy. the dextromethamorphen remember this stuff is extremely powerful in and of its- self and people abuse it. its recommended for an adult for a cold 30mg's 2x a day thats 2 cap fuls. and thats all you would need over a weeks time to lower tolerance as well. hope this info helped

 

[Ayrios]

I second the magnesium recommendation. I take 400 mg of this daily if I'm doing stimulants or not, but magnesium is also believed to reduce muscle tension, eg. jaw tension caused by CNS stimulants.

I wish I could afford to take an effective daily dose of l-tyrosine, but an effective dose is significantly higher than a typical bottle's recommended dose, making this quite an expensive daily supplement. Check recent studies for a dose that may actually have a perceivable benefit. Bulk powder by the Kg is available online making it a little bit more affordable.

 

[Vaya]

^Thanks for the bit regarding the Chelated Magnesium, I was unaware of its role in healthy living with respect to those who consume amphetamines regularly. Talk about pertinent for me as I am prescribed 25mg Desoxyn/day.

Be well,

~ vaya

 

[simmerman]

Well i mean as far as the L-tyrosine goes the dose is anywhere from 500mg up to 1500mgs a day as a supplement there is no studies that suggest how much one would take to lower tolerance or how quickly the different doses adjust the restoration of your dopamine. All i know is it is cheap man Same price as the Mag. Gnc sell's the 500mg caps in the bottle for 10 bucks. and you get 60 caps in the bottle. i see no reason to take 1500mgs so i always just take 1000 2 caps a day so you get a month's supply for 10 bucks. I really do not notice much of a difference in terms of tolerance because i never run out of my adderall. The only thing i found to be the most superior by far for enhancing the effects without the negative levo side effects. Is the DXM man its amazing. I mean you take it to lower your tolerance Because its the Most potent over the counter NDMA available. Its cheap too the 12 hour store brand is like 9 bucks. And since its 12 hour relief. it offers you the highest mg per. Dose. 30mg's So all together you get about 700mgs out of a bottle and you only need to take 60mgs at night. You will notice a huge difference also. Take it 45 minutes prior to taking your adderall. or 45 minutes after and watch the old euphoria come back. The key is to take the right amount any dose of the cough syrup over 90mgs. will cause a negative response since both are stimulants, so moderation and through forums like this and post's of peoples reactions to the combo's you will see what to do and what not to do. Im giving you the best current info available, probably because im on 150mgs myself and am typing my ass off at 3:00am anyway. I just read briefly about that supplement called Amp-restore has anyone any knowledge or first hand experience with this stuff. Im going to do mor research on it in a minute. But its 39.99 a bottle and it pretty much according to the chemicals in it. Has all the same stuff the mag, tyrosine, panthoric acid and other stuff combined into one pill. Im thinking of giving it a try so far the website is saying its great but hey, It is there product and its not FDA approved. but im willing to give it a shot. keep me posted